What exactly is radio
 

On May 6, 9:55*pm, wrote:
tom wrote:
On 5/6/2010 8:42 PM, tom wrote:
On 5/6/2010 3:25 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Charged particles can move at any speed from 0 to c and always produce
the
electric field. Why not?

Incorrect. A particle has mass, and cannot attain light speed.

tom
K0TAR

Should have said "charged particle" rather than "particle".

tom
K0TAR

You were correct the first time.

Nothing with mass can attain light speed and it doesn't matter if it is
charged or not.

--
Jim Pennino

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Wrong. Spin produces the charge.
Without spin you cannot achieve straight line trajectory as it will
surely tumble.
One must have the minumum mass possible to achieve the speed of light.
A neutrino which translates into " little one" is the smallest
particle known and thus can achieve the speed of light.
If a particle smaller with respect to mass than that is found then the
speed of light can obviously be exceeded. Einstein stated that the
speed of light cannot be exceeded!

What exactly is radio
 

Art Unwin wrote:
On May 6, 9:55Â*pm, wrote:
tom wrote:
On 5/6/2010 8:42 PM, tom wrote:
On 5/6/2010 3:25 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Charged particles can move at any speed from 0 to c and always produce
the
electric field. Why not?

Incorrect. A particle has mass, and cannot attain light speed.

tom
K0TAR

Should have said "charged particle" rather than "particle".

tom
K0TAR

You were correct the first time.

Nothing with mass can attain light speed and it doesn't matter if it is
charged or not.

--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

Wrong. Spin produces the charge.
Without spin you cannot achieve straight line trajectory as it will
surely tumble.
One must have the minumum mass possible to achieve the speed of light.
A neutrino which translates into " little one" is the smallest
particle known and thus can achieve the speed of light.
If a particle smaller with respect to mass than that is found then the
speed of light can obviously be exceeded. Einstein stated that the
speed of light cannot be exceeded!

Babbling gibberish.


--
Jim Pennino

Remove .spam.sux to reply.

What exactly is radio
 

"K1TTT" wrote
...
On May 6, 8:00 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
"K1TTT"
...
On May 3, 7:25 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Radio waves from the dipole are polarized. Does it mean that light is
emitted by a dipoles?

sure, why not? but polarized waves can be emitted from other things
also.

We can shield the one end of the dipole.

no you can't.

A whip antennas on a car is not such?

no, the other half of the dipole is the body of the car itself.

Have you ever seen the dipole which one end is without a cap and the other
with the huge cap (the body of the car?
The body is rather a mirror for the monopole.

Why the dipoles exhibit the directional pattern?

because they do, its well measured and accurately described in the
equations.

Are the measured and the calculated from the equations in agreement?

yes, to within many, many decimal places... if they did not agree to
within the limits of measurement then someone would have had to make a
new theory to explain the difference.

No such need. For the radio waves apply all knowledge for the acoustic
waves.
The monopole works like the Kundt's tube. The dipole like the two.
The directional pattern is the same for two loudspeakers like for the
dipole.
S*

What exactly is radio
 

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On May 6, 8:25 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

you mangled the replies so badly that i couldn't even follow what you
were saying. light and radio waves are the same thing, as are gamma,
infra red, x-ray, etc... all the exact same phenomena explained very
well by maxwell's equations. scientists for 100 years have been
unable to come up with anything better, you aren't going to by your
misguided assertions that have no mathematics or experimental evidence
behind them.

Maxwell's electricity is incompressible.
Todays electron gas is compressible. Behind them is mathematics (plasma
physics) and experimental evidence.

sound waves and water waves are VERY different things. while some of
the equations take the same form because they share sinusoidal
repetition properties,

Sinusoidal means harmonics. Real waves are not harmonics. They are rather
the chain of the solitons.

the underlying physics is VERY different. you
have to abandon the analogies you learned in elementary school and
learn the proper physics to understand why electromagnetic waves are
not like sound or water.

Sound and water waves are the real waves and such have always the two
components (longitudinal and transversal).
Maxwell' em waves are pure transversal. Maxwell wrote that it is a
proposition.

.. start with this, why can you polarize light or radio waves but not sound
waves?

I did it. Radio waves and sound waves have the same directional patterns for
the same numbers, configurations (and phases).
The two waves emitted from the dipole (ACOUSTIC OR ELECTRIC) are
"polarized". You can experimentally determine the plane in which the dipole
is.

The same is with more sources.
S*

What exactly is radio
 

"tom" wrote
t...
On 5/6/2010 8:42 PM, tom wrote:
On 5/6/2010 3:25 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Charged particles can move at any speed from 0 to c and always produce
the
electric field. Why not?

Incorrect. A particle has mass, and cannot attain light speed.

tom
K0TAR


Should have said "charged particle" rather than "particle".

What do you think. Is the electron a charged particle?

Maxwell assumed that the electricity is massles and incompressible.
He would be right if the electron is a charged particle.
S*

What exactly is radio
 

On May 7, 12:15*am, Art Unwin wrote:
What better place exists to delve further into the Masters thoughts
rather than the manufacture of another theorem?

To justify another theorem you must do a couple things:
1. predict something that is not currently predicted.
2. explain all known phenomenon at least as well as existing laws/
theories.

In order to do both of those you must be quantitative. Provide exact
equations that combine what is predicted by maxwell with your magical
levitating colored bosons from the sun, show the link to the earth
rotation precisely so the tipping effect can be calculated and proven
or disproved by an experiment, explain why diamagnetic materials must
be used and what happens differently if you use paramagnetic or
ferromagnetic materials in a form that can be measured... but these
all require equations, not handwaving general statements about the big
bang and your magical equilibrium.

What exactly is radio
 

On May 7, 7:49*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" ...
On May 6, 8:00 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



"K1TTT"
...
On May 3, 7:25 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Radio waves from the dipole are polarized. Does it mean that light is
emitted by a dipoles?

sure, why not? but polarized waves can be emitted from other things
also.

We can shield the one end of the dipole.

no you can't.

A whip antennas on a car is not such?
no, the other half of the dipole is the body of the car itself.

Have you ever seen the dipole which one end is without a cap and the other
with the huge cap (the body of the car?
The body is rather a mirror for the monopole.



Why the dipoles exhibit the directional pattern?

because they do, its well measured and accurately described in the
equations.

Are the measured and the calculated from the equations in agreement?
yes, to within many, many decimal places... if they did not agree to

within the limits of measurement then someone would have had to make a
new theory to explain the difference.

No such need. For the radio waves apply all knowledge for the acoustic
waves.
The monopole works like the Kundt's tube. The dipole like the two.
The directional pattern is the same for two loudspeakers like for the
dipole.
S*

wrongo buckaroo. there is no such thing as a monopole... when you
have a feedline are there not always 2 conductors? search for some
basic circuit theory about current and voltage sources, you will see
they always have 2 ports. there must always be a return path that is
the other half of the dipole, even if you can't see it as such. all
antennas derive from the infinitesimal dipole which when degenerated
even father can be represented as a single oscillating charge. it
always goes back and forth or around in circles to create the
propagating wave, if it only moves in one direction as it would have
to in a monopole there is no wave only a simple field.

What exactly is radio
 

On May 7, 8:35*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"tom" se.net...

On 5/6/2010 8:42 PM, tom wrote:
On 5/6/2010 3:25 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Charged particles can move at any speed from 0 to c and always produce
the
electric field. Why not?

Incorrect. A particle has mass, and cannot attain light speed.

tom
K0TAR

Should have said "charged particle" rather than "particle".

What do you think. Is the electron a charged particle?

Maxwell assumed that the electricity is massles and incompressible.
He would be right if the electron is a charged particle.
S*

have you ever measured the charge on an electron? that is a standard
college physics lab experiment, measure charge and mass and compare to
text book values. a very simple experiment actually, look up the
millikan oil drop experiment and give it a try. maybe you could get
together with art and go through a few of those simple experiments to
gain a better understanding of basic physics.

What exactly is radio
 

On May 7, 8:26*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
I did it. Radio waves and sound waves have the same directional patterns for
the same numbers, configurations (and phases).
The two waves emitted from the dipole (ACOUSTIC OR ELECTRIC) are
"polarized". You can experimentally determine the plane in which the dipole
is.

The same is with more sources.
S*

they may have the same patterns for some cases, that is why they are
used in lower grades, to keep the explanations of waves simple for
those who don't have the mathematical background to understand the
full detail of it. but pattern does not show polarization. by
matching an interference pattern you are not showing how a wave is
polarized, only that superposition principles work for both types of
waves. show me an experiment where a sound wave is polarized, that
one i would like to see. you might want to start with a couple of
these:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wave
http://universe-review.ca/R12-03-wave.htm
http://www.answers.com/topic/polarization-of-waves
http://www.isvr.soton.ac.uk/spcg/Tut...ther-light.htm

What exactly is radio
 

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On May 7, 7:49 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Radio waves from the dipole are polarized. Does it mean that light
is
emitted by a dipoles?

sure, why not? but polarized waves can be emitted from other things
also.

We can shield the one end of the dipole.

no you can't.

A whip antennas on a car is not such?
no, the other half of the dipole is the body of the car itself.

Have you ever seen the dipole which one end is without a cap and the
other
with the huge cap (the body of the car?
The body is rather a mirror for the monopole.


Why the dipoles exhibit the directional pattern?

because they do, its well measured and accurately described in the
equations.

Are the measured and the calculated from the equations in agreement?
yes, to within many, many decimal places... if they did not agree to

within the limits of measurement then someone would have had to make a
new theory to explain the difference.

No such need. For the radio waves apply all knowledge for the acoustic
waves.
The monopole works like the Kundt's tube. The dipole like the two.
The directional pattern is the same for two loudspeakers like for the
dipole.
S*

wrongo buckaroo. there is no such thing as a monopole... when you
have a feedline are there not always 2 conductors? search for some
basic circuit theory about current and voltage sources, you will see
they always have 2 ports. there must always be a return path that is
the other half of the dipole, even if you can't see it as such. all
antennas derive from the infinitesimal dipole which when degenerated
even father can be represented as a single oscillating charge. it
always goes back and forth or around in circles to create the
propagating wave,

Yes. But one end of the dipole may have the better conditions to propagate.

if it only moves in one direction as it would have
to in a monopole there is no wave only a simple field.

I am writing about a dipole with one end visible and the second shielded.

In nature is always as you wrote. The both ands are always "visible".

Light is always directional. Radio waves can be omnidirectional.
Of course light is emitted by many dipoles. Radio waves by halve, one, two
(circular polarity) or many (phase radar).
S*