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Uzytkownik "Art Unwin" napisal w wiadomosci
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On May 23, 9:55 am, Cecil Moore wrote:

What is the electron density of free
space?

Gulp!
Space is homogenous in electron content? If so
how can a solar stream exist?

Cecil does not suggest that. What can means the level and fluctuations. Now
everybody measure it:
http://www.academicjournals.org/ijli...%20et%20al.pdf
S*

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On May 23, 1:01*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Your eyes detect the electrons oscillations.

My eyes are in a different location from the electron oscillations.
What is your theory of exactly what is incident upon my retina that is
traversing the distance from the electron stream to my eyes at the
speed of light?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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On May 23, 7:17*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On May 23, 9:55*am, Cecil Moore wrote:
eyes which evolved to detect photons, not electrons.

Where is that stated in print?

I did a Yahoo search for, "eye detection of photons", and got 705,007
hits. Here's one of them from the Kansas State University Physics
Dept.

http://web.phys.ksu.edu/vqmorig/tuto...0Photons..html

"It has been demonstrated that light-sensitive cells in our eye (rod
cells) are able to detect single photons."
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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Cecil Moore, W5DXP wrote:
"It has been demonstrated that light-sensitive cells in your eye (rod
cells) are able to detect single photons."

From Navy lectures on night vision in WW-2, I remember that cone cells
are used for day vision and rods are used at night.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI

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"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On May 23, 1:01 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Your eyes detect the electrons oscillations.

My eyes are in a different location from the electron oscillations.
What is your theory of exactly what is incident upon my retina that is
traversing the distance from the electron stream to my eyes at the
speed of light?

The longitudinal electric waves (electrons oscillations).
The sound waves are also longitudinal (air partcles oscillations).

The theory is from XIX century. It is not mine.
S*

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"Cecil Moore" wrote
...
On May 23, 7:17 pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On May 23, 9:55 am, Cecil Moore wrote:
eyes which evolved to detect photons, not electrons.

Where is that stated in print?

I did a Yahoo search for, "eye detection of photons", and got 705,007
hits. Here's one of them from the Kansas State University Physics
Dept.

http://web.phys.ksu.edu/vqmorig/tuto...20Photons.html

"It has been demonstrated that light-sensitive cells in our eye (rod
cells) are able to detect single photons."

But remember what Bill wrote: "There
is no such thing as a photon but scientists still use that to explain
things in human terms for the unknowing masses. The best way I can
describe a photon is that it is one wavelength of light at any given
wavelength or frequency if you will."

For light the photon has about 200 wavelength.
Radio wave "photon" is as long as transmitter works.
S*

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On 05/24/2010 01:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Bill wrote
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On 05/23/2010 03:09 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
On May 23, 4:45 pm, wrote:
Art Unwin wrote:
On May 23, 1:15 pm, wrote:
On May 23, 6:01 pm, "Szczepan wrote:

Electrons are detectable and have mass.
ah yes, that ugly little thing called mass... because electrons have
mass they can not travel at c, therefore they can not be the carriers
of electromagnetic radiation. also, it is well known that photons
have no rest mass and no charge, both of which disqualify the electron
also. you should really talk to art, he is much closer with his
magical levitating diamagnetic neutrino.

Can I rain on your parade? Light is just super high frequency RF. There is
no such thing as a photon but scientists still use that to explain things
in human terms for the unknowing masses. The best way I can describe a
photon is that it is one wavelength of light at any given wavelength or
frequency if you will.

It is math for it (Doulong). If a cristal is kicked it radiate diffrent
frequences. But not all and for a limited time.
Higher frequency bigger energy. But such packets are longer than one
wavelengh. It is a coherency of radiation.

That explains why UV is harmful, higher frequency, while IR at longer
wavelengths is just heat.

If a star or even our own sun gave off photons at the rate of burn then it
would very soon be an ex-star.
There are very few people who can think at the needed level for this kind
of thing, so let the argument continue. Really silly thinking that there
are red photons, green, yellow, etc.

Some substances emitt only one or only a few wavelengh. Sodium emits yellow.
(Sodium emitts yellow packets?).
S*


Agreed.
That is why LED's emit at only one wave length. It just depends on which
elements are in the LED formula.
Bill

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On 05/24/2010 09:55 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Cecil wrote
...
On May 23, 7:17 pm, Art wrote:
On May 23, 9:55 am, Cecil wrote:
eyes which evolved to detect photons, not electrons.

Where is that stated in print?

I did a Yahoo search for, "eye detection of photons", and got 705,007
hits. Here's one of them from the Kansas State University Physics
Dept.

http://web.phys.ksu.edu/vqmorig/tuto...20Photons.html

"It has been demonstrated that light-sensitive cells in our eye (rod
cells) are able to detect single photons."

But remember what Bill wrote: "There
is no such thing as a photon but scientists still use that to explain
things in human terms for the unknowing masses. The best way I can
describe a photon is that it is one wavelength of light at any given
wavelength or frequency if you will."

For light the photon has about 200 wavelength.
Radio wave "photon" is as long as transmitter works.
S*


I'll give you a partial agreement on this one. The rods in our eyes have
peak sensitivity at Yellow/green. There was a guy, a long time ago who
said he could detect a single photon in a very dark lab. So, if a photon
is anything anyhow a particle how could he see it since the equipment
was set up to radiate into a detector. It may not be in our lifetimes
that the true nature of light is discovered.
Bill Baka

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On May 24, 10:24*am, (Richard Harrison)
wrote:
Cecil Moore, W5DXP wrote:
"It has been demonstrated that light-sensitive cells in your eye (rod
cells) are able to detect single photons."

From Navy lectures on night vision in WW-2, I remember that cone cells
are used for day vision and rods are used at night.

The cones cannot detect single photons. It takes many photons to
activate the cones. It only takes one photon to activate a rod.
Unfortunately, the rod is more sensitive than the rest of the path to
the brain so it takes about 9 photons to result in an impulse to the
brain.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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On 05/24/2010 12:29 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:
On May 24, 10:24 am, (Richard Harrison)
wrote:
Cecil Moore, W5DXP wrote:
"It has been demonstrated that light-sensitive cells in your eye (rod
cells) are able to detect single photons."

From Navy lectures on night vision in WW-2, I remember that cone cells
are used for day vision and rods are used at night.

I thought everyone on this group would know that. That is also why some
animals can see in the dark, no cones, but all rods in their eyes.

The cones cannot detect single photons. It takes many photons to
activate the cones. It only takes one photon to activate a rod.
Unfortunately, the rod is more sensitive than the rest of the path to
the brain so it takes about 9 photons to result in an impulse to the
brain.
Now be sure to tell the researcher that. I give up on this subject,
since you all have been trained to believe that there is such a thing as
a photon. It reminds me of religious indoctrination.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Cheers, and I will try to ignore this thread.
Bill Baka

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On May 24, 2:35*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/24/2010 12:29 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:

On May 24, 10:24 am, (Richard Harrison)
wrote:
Cecil Moore, W5DXP wrote:
"It has been demonstrated that light-sensitive cells in your eye (rod
cells) are able to detect single photons."

*From Navy lectures on night vision in WW-2, I remember that cone cells
are used for day vision and rods are used at night.

I thought everyone on this group would know that. That is also why some
animals can see in the dark, no cones, but all rods in their eyes.

The cones cannot detect single photons. It takes many photons to
activate the cones. It only takes one photon to activate a rod.
Unfortunately, the rod is more sensitive than the rest of the path to
the brain so it takes about 9 photons to result in *an impulse to the
brain.

Now be sure to tell the researcher that. I give up on this subject,
since you all have been trained to believe that there is such a thing as
a photon. It reminds me of religious indoctrination.

--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Cheers, and I will try to ignore this thread.
Bill Baka

I do like that last comment! It appears every time
a physicist gets into a jam he invents a particle or inserts a
constant
Cheers

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On 05/24/2010 01:09 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
On May 24, 2:35 pm, Bill wrote: On 05/24/2010 12:29 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:

Now be sure to tell the researcher that. I give up on this subject,
since you all have been trained to believe that there is such a thing as
a photon. It reminds me of religious indoctrination.

--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Cheers, and I will try to ignore this thread.
Bill Baka

I do like that last comment! It appears every time
a physicist gets into a jam he invents a particle or inserts a
constant
Cheers
That is how it works. They have to produce some results for their
funding to continue. I remember when they tried to explain that
everything was made up by quarks. That could possibly explain Neutrons
and Protons, but what about that poor little electron??
Also how come a puny electron has such a charge that it roughly equal
the charge on a (relatively) huge Proton??
There is a lot of understanding to be done yet.
1. What is the speed of gravity?
2. How does gravity propagate through seemingly empty space?
3. How can a magnet attract in the vacuum of space?
Many more questions than answers.
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

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On May 24, 3:34*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/24/2010 01:09 PM, Art Unwin wrote:

On May 24, 2:35 pm, Bill *wrote: On 05/24/2010 12:29 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:

Now be sure to tell the researcher that. I give up on this subject,
since you all have been trained to believe that there is such a thing as
a photon. It reminds me of religious indoctrination.

--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Cheers, and I will try to ignore this thread.
Bill Baka

I do like that last comment! It appears every time
a physicist gets into a jam he invents a particle or inserts a
constant
Cheers

That is how it works. They have to produce some results for their
funding to continue. I remember when they tried to explain that
everything was made up by quarks. That could possibly explain Neutrons
and Protons, but what about that poor little electron??
Also how come a puny electron has such a charge that it roughly equal
the charge on a (relatively) huge Proton??
There is a lot of understanding to be done yet.
1. What is the speed of gravity?
2. How does gravity propagate through seemingly empty space?
3. How can a magnet attract in the vacuum of space?
Many more questions than answers.
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

I spoke to some physicists at the Fermilab accelerator at Batavia ILL
a few weeks back and it was surprising to me how often the statement
was made "that is out of my expertize". Seems like they are trained to
think in a tunnel out of the hearing and contact of others.Considering
the amount of funds they collect their sparse achievements as noted in
their weekly news letter sure does not impress me a bit. How many
times have we heard
"we hope that "if" we are successful it is possible that it could lead
to........"I look for a barrage of such statements in the future about
the difficulties of finding Higgs field where it is now felt to be of
virtual form without mass and possibly out of range!

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On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:34:13 -0700, Bill Baka
wrote:

those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Move to Lake Wobegone and enjoy the everyday experience of that.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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On May 24, 9:37*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
I spoke to some physicists at the Fermilab accelerator at Batavia ILL
a few weeks back and it was surprising to me how often the statement
was made "that is out of my expertize". Seems like they are trained to
think in a tunnel out of the hearing and contact of others

they are smart enough to know when they don't know something, and
admit it... unlike yourself.

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On May 24, 2:35*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
Now be sure to tell the researcher that. I give up on this subject,
since you all have been trained to believe that there is such a thing as
a photon. It reminds me of religious indoctrination.

After one thinks about it for awhile, one will realize that believing
in anything except physical particles is the religious faith-based
part. Can anything exist in the real world that doesn't have a
physical existence? The answer to that question is why particle
physics has become the accepted standard. Everyone who believes that
something can exist without an associated physical particle is free to
try to prove their belief but how can non-particles be measured?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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On 5/24/2010 3:34 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

If the score on IQ tests ever got to the point that is currently scored
as 130 it would be, by the method that determines IQ scores, 100.

But you probably already knew that.

tom
K0TAR

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On May 24, 11:23*pm, Cecil Moore wrote:
On May 24, 2:35*pm, Bill Baka wrote:

Now be sure to tell the researcher that. I give up on this subject,
since you all have been trained to believe that there is such a thing as
a photon. It reminds me of religious indoctrination.

After one thinks about it for awhile, one will realize that believing
in anything except physical particles is the religious faith-based
part. Can anything exist in the real world that doesn't have a
physical existence? The answer to that question is why particle
physics has become the accepted standard. Everyone who believes that
something can exist without an associated physical particle is free to
try to prove their belief but how can non-particles be measured?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

I BELIEVE! Hallelujah!

Personally as an engineer i am more comfortable working with the
electro-magnetic wave representation of radio or light waves because
i work with macroscopic objects and the waves and fields are easier to
work with. But many physicists prefer photonic representations
because they work more with particle interactions and it is easier to
represent the interactions at that level with feynman diagrams and
similar mechanics. but most problems can be adequately handled by
either if you apply the right methods.

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On 05/24/2010 02:37 PM, Art Unwin wrote:
On May 24, 3:34 pm, Bill wrote:
On 05/24/2010 01:09 PM, Art Unwin wrote:

On May 24, 2:35 pm, Bill wrote: On 05/24/2010 12:29 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:

Now be sure to tell the researcher that. I give up on this subject,
since you all have been trained to believe that there is such a thing as
a photon. It reminds me of religious indoctrination.

--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Cheers, and I will try to ignore this thread.
Bill Baka

I do like that last comment! It appears every time
a physicist gets into a jam he invents a particle or inserts a
constant
Cheers

That is how it works. They have to produce some results for their
funding to continue. I remember when they tried to explain that
everything was made up by quarks. That could possibly explain Neutrons
and Protons, but what about that poor little electron??
Also how come a puny electron has such a charge that it roughly equal
the charge on a (relatively) huge Proton??
There is a lot of understanding to be done yet.
1. What is the speed of gravity?
2. How does gravity propagate through seemingly empty space?
3. How can a magnet attract in the vacuum of space?
Many more questions than answers.
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

I spoke to some physicists at the Fermilab accelerator at Batavia ILL
a few weeks back and it was surprising to me how often the statement
was made "that is out of my expertize". Seems like they are trained to
think in a tunnel out of the hearing and contact of others.Considering
the amount of funds they collect their sparse achievements as noted in
their weekly news letter sure does not impress me a bit. How many
times have we heard
"we hope that "if" we are successful it is possible that it could lead
to........"I look for a barrage of such statements in the future about
the difficulties of finding Higgs field where it is now felt to be of
virtual form without mass and possibly out of range!

That does not surprise me at all. I have gone through about 6 doctors in
the last two years looking for one with enough IQ to even talk
intelligently with. I now have a good one and he is from Iran and glad
to be here. The others were just pill pushers or as I am heard to say
"educated baboons". A PhD means nothing to me if there is no real
intelligence to support it. Many of these specialists have no idea about
other things and no ability to understand when I do go out of their
comfort zone. Finding real intelligence in people is a continuing
challenge for me. My IQ? Don't ask.
Cheers,
Bill Baka

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On 05/24/2010 03:42 PM, Richard Clark wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:34:13 -0700, Bill
wrote:

those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Move to Lake Wobegone and enjoy the everyday experience of that.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I'm amazed that anyone even remembers that fictional lake.
Bill Baka

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On 05/24/2010 04:23 PM, Cecil Moore wrote:
On May 24, 2:35 pm, Bill wrote:
Now be sure to tell the researcher that. I give up on this subject,
since you all have been trained to believe that there is such a thing as
a photon. It reminds me of religious indoctrination.

After one thinks about it for awhile, one will realize that believing
in anything except physical particles is the religious faith-based
part. Can anything exist in the real world that doesn't have a
physical existence? The answer to that question is why particle
physics has become the accepted standard. Everyone who believes that
something can exist without an associated physical particle is free to
try to prove their belief but how can non-particles be measured?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Kind of what I meant. It seems that every year they are chasing
something, the latest being the 'Higgs' boson. The "Big Ring" in Europe
is a prime example by having counter rotating particles near the speed
of light smashing into each other at nearly twice the speed of light.
Sure there will be some odd particles coming from that but the life time
of these particles is sometimes measured in Nanoseconds, so they just
don't exist in the natural world.
Sigh
Bill Baka

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On 05/24/2010 04:42 PM, tom wrote:
On 5/24/2010 3:34 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

If the score on IQ tests ever got to the point that is currently scored
as 130 it would be, by the method that determines IQ scores, 100.

But you probably already knew that.

tom
K0TAR

I did, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The bell curve
would just go up to the point that people with IQ's of 100 (by today's
standards) would be considered sub par. I do wish that could happen
since I can't deal with even average people. Sometimes I accidentally
use a big word or describe in detail something they don't know and I get
labeled either a show off or just plain smart ass. It is totally
unintentional but is happens.
Bill Baka

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On May 24, 10:23*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/24/2010 04:42 PM, tom wrote:

On 5/24/2010 3:34 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

If the score on IQ tests ever got to the point that is currently scored
as 130 it would be, by the method that determines IQ scores, 100.

But you probably already knew that.

tom
K0TAR

I did, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The bell curve
would just go up to the point that people with IQ's of 100 (by today's
standards) would be considered sub par. I do wish that could happen
since I can't deal with even average people. Sometimes I accidentally
use a big word or describe in detail something they don't know and I get
labeled either a show off or just plain smart ass. It is totally
unintentional but is happens.
Bill Baka

Supposedly I'm rated in the mid 160's range, "I last tested at 168
a few light years ago", Most people you talk to will still tell you
I'm
a dumbass.. :(
I usually agree with them.. :/

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On 05/24/2010 09:12 PM, wrote:
On May 24, 10:23 pm, Bill wrote:
On 05/24/2010 04:42 PM, tom wrote:

On 5/24/2010 3:34 PM, Bill Baka wrote:
I don't think those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.
Something for people to think about.
Bill Baka

If the score on IQ tests ever got to the point that is currently scored
as 130 it would be, by the method that determines IQ scores, 100.

But you probably already knew that.

tom
K0TAR

I did, but that wasn't the point I was trying to make. The bell curve
would just go up to the point that people with IQ's of 100 (by today's
standards) would be considered sub par. I do wish that could happen
since I can't deal with even average people. Sometimes I accidentally
use a big word or describe in detail something they don't know and I get
labeled either a show off or just plain smart ass. It is totally
unintentional but is happens.
Bill Baka

Supposedly I'm rated in the mid 160's range, "I last tested at 168
a few light years ago", Most people you talk to will still tell you
I'm
a dumbass.. :(
I usually agree with them.. :/


I'm probably in that range myself, since I can knock off a 150 while
talking to my boss, and in the multitasking mode. I considered joining
Mensa but their standards are too low for me. Lately I have just learned
to not speak out on anything since there are so many people who do not
want to hear, or learn anything. My wife is a prime example, couch
potato, thinks American Idol is a MUST see, and well,.... you get my
drift. I hate having to dumb down for the masses.
Cheers, see you in the stratosphere.
Bill Baka

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On Mon, 24 May 2010 20:09:30 -0700, Bill Baka
wrote:

On 05/24/2010 03:42 PM, Richard Clark wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:34:13 -0700, Bill
wrote:

those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Move to Lake Wobegone and enjoy the everyday experience of that.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I'm amazed that anyone even remembers that fictional lake.
Bill Baka

It's not hard to forget something that is on every week.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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"Bill Baka" wrote
...
On 05/24/2010 09:55 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

For light the photon has about 200 wavelength.
Radio wave "photon" is as long as transmitter works.
S*


I'll give you a partial agreement on this one. The rods in our eyes have
peak sensitivity at Yellow/green. There was a guy, a long time ago who
said he could detect a single photon in a very dark lab. So, if a photon
is anything anyhow a particle

In optics the light is in form of packets (oscillations for short time and
next brake - of course there are many sources).

how could he see it since the equipment was set up to radiate into a
detector. It may not be in our lifetimes that the true nature of light is
discovered.

Why?
If we can produce the artificial light (LEDs, laser) and we know that radio
waves are the same then we know all.
Radio waves are very convinient to analise.
They are the longitudinal electric waves which propagate in the electron
see.
It is very old theory. The only trouble was with the polarization. But now
radio people know that the dipole is polarised. In nature all light sources
are in form of dipoles.
S*

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"Bill Baka" wrote
...
On 05/24/2010 01:46 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Can I rain on your parade? Light is just super high frequency RF. There
is
no such thing as a photon but scientists still use that to explain
things
in human terms for the unknowing masses. The best way I can describe a
photon is that it is one wavelength of light at any given wavelength or
frequency if you will.

It is math for it (Doulong). If a cristal is kicked it radiate diffrent
frequences. But not all and for a limited time.
Higher frequency bigger energy. But such packets are longer than one
wavelength. It is a coherency of radiation.

That explains why UV is harmful, higher frequency, while IR at longer
wavelengths is just heat.

Natural packets (photons) have probably the same length so the above is
obvious.
..
If a star or even our own sun gave off photons at the rate of burn then
it
would very soon be an ex-star.
There are very few people who can think at the needed level for this
kind
of thing, so let the argument continue. Really silly thinking that there
are red photons, green, yellow, etc.

Some substances emitt only one or only a few wavelength. Sodium emits
yellow.
(Sodium emitts yellow packets?).

Agreed.
That is why LED's emit at only one wave length. It just depends on which
elements are in the LED formula.

In one wavelength but still in packets.

But now are the fantastic lasers with the infinity "packet". Exactly like
radio waves:
""As the electrons are undergoing acceleration they radiate electromagnetic
energy in their flight direction, and as they interact with the light
already emitted, photons along its line are emitted in phase, resulting in a
"laser-like" monocromatic and coherent beam. The mirrors show in the sketch
below are superfluous, as all the light is emitted in one direction anyway."
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halbach_array

S*

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"those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Is this a little like "Until every child is above average"?

Bill - W2WO

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On May 24, 11:21*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
I considered joining Mensa but their standards are too low for me.

Here's the one for you: "The Giga society is the world's most
exclusive High-IQ society. An IQ of 196 or higher is required to
join."

http://www.gigasociety.org/
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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On Mon, 24 May 2010 23:29:24 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote:

I'm amazed that anyone even remembers that fictional lake.
Bill Baka

It's not hard to forget something that is on every week.

Well, that logic blew a tire.... I will just ride the rim as I head
for the off ramp.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Richard Clark wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:34:13 -0700, Bill Baka
wrote:

those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Move to Lake Wobegone and enjoy the everyday experience of that.



by definition, an IQ of 100 *is* the median, and the standard deviation
is 15. IQ is a normalized measurement. (it hasn't been 100*mental
age/chronological age for decades.. )

And there's a radio connection here.. Lewis Terman, who invented the
Stanford-Binet IQ scale was the father of Frederick Terman, of EE fame..
both were at Stanford. And Bracewell (another EE) held the Lewis Terman
professorship

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On 05/24/2010 11:29 PM, Richard Clark wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 20:09:30 -0700, Bill
wrote:

On 05/24/2010 03:42 PM, Richard Clark wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:34:13 -0700, Bill
wrote:

those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Move to Lake Wobegone and enjoy the everyday experience of that.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I'm amazed that anyone even remembers that fictional lake.
Bill Baka

It's not hard to forget something that is on every week.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I didn't know that. I may not be broadcast here in California or it is
just lost in the hundred channels or so on cable.
Cheers,
Bill Baka

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On 05/25/2010 06:01 AM, Bill Ogden wrote:
"those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Is this a little like "Until every child is above average"?

Bill - W2WO


Sort of.
Start with two parents who are above 140 and encourage them to have kids
and educate them starting at day one. It would obviously offend the
Vatican, but religious beliefs are fantasy anyway. Just discourage
people with low IQ's so they won't breed like rabbits. It could/would
work if people weren't so hung up about their right to have children.
That show on TV, 19 and counting makes me sick. People like that are a
major cause of de-evolution.
Bill Baka

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On 05/25/2010 06:01 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:
On May 24, 11:21 pm, Bill wrote:
I considered joining Mensa but their standards are too low for me.

Here's the one for you: "The Giga society is the world's most
exclusive High-IQ society. An IQ of 196 or higher is required to
join."

http://www.gigasociety.org/
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Yup.
I know about it but I don't think I could top that after 61 years.
My diet had way too much beer from 21 to 54, when I finally quit that
habit. Had my parents encouraged me instead of kicking me out of the
house to play with 'normal' kids I might have made it, but I don't think
I am that high on the scale. Somewhere around 160'ish is my best guess
but I am somewhat apathetic about it right now.
Cheers,
Bill Baka

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On May 25, 3:42*pm, Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/25/2010 06:01 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:

On May 24, 11:21 pm, Bill *wrote:
* I considered joining Mensa but their standards are too low for me.

Here's the one for you: "The Giga society is the world's most
exclusive High-IQ society. An IQ of 196 or higher is required to
join."

http://www.gigasociety.org/
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Yup.
I know about it but I don't think I could top that after 61 years.
My diet had way too much beer from 21 to 54, when I finally quit that
habit. Had my parents encouraged me instead of kicking me out of the
house to play with 'normal' kids I might have made it, but I don't think
I am that high on the scale. Somewhere around 160'ish is my best guess
but I am somewhat apathetic about it right now.
Cheers,
Bill Baka

Don't give up on åchieving thåt. Retirees usuålly expånd their life
experiences ånd åchivements.
By the time you reåch 80 the numbers måy well rise to åbove 200!

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On May 25, 9:22*pm, Art Unwin wrote:
On May 25, 3:42*pm, Bill Baka wrote:



On 05/25/2010 06:01 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:

On May 24, 11:21 pm, Bill *wrote:
* I considered joining Mensa but their standards are too low for me.

Here's the one for you: "The Giga society is the world's most
exclusive High-IQ society. An IQ of 196 or higher is required to
join."

http://www.gigasociety.org/
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

Yup.
I know about it but I don't think I could top that after 61 years.
My diet had way too much beer from 21 to 54, when I finally quit that
habit. Had my parents encouraged me instead of kicking me out of the
house to play with 'normal' kids I might have made it, but I don't think
I am that high on the scale. Somewhere around 160'ish is my best guess
but I am somewhat apathetic about it right now.
Cheers,
Bill Baka

Don't give up on åchieving thåt. Retirees usuålly expånd their life
experiences ånd åchivements.
By the time you reåch 80 the numbers måy well rise to åbove 200!

so what is your excuse?

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On Tue, 25 May 2010 13:25:25 -0700, Bill Baka
wrote:

I didn't know that. I may not be broadcast here in California or it is
just lost in the hundred channels or so on cable.

Hi Bill,

It is on at least twice during the weekend on NPR (I don't think
anyone else, commercial radio, has ever carried A Prairie Home
Companion). Robert Altman made it into a movie 4 years ago.

NPR is usually found in the public service (think campus stations) end
of the FM band.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

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Wow, I'm in awe of the great levels of genius represented here on this
humble forum! And if boys ever outgrew the "mine's bigger than yours"
compulsion, we never would have known -- or even suspected! Thanks so
much for sharing your IQs, whether known, suspected, or just claimed,
with us. You geniuses will be expected to provide brilliant insights
into those sticky problems which have eluded not only us, but also the
relatively pedestrian intellects of the likes of Termin, Maxwell, and
Kraus. Art has already shown the way and set the bar. Go for it!

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

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Correction:

Roy Lewallen wrote:
. . . You geniuses will be expected to provide brilliant insights
into those sticky problems which have eluded not only us, but also the
relatively pedestrian intellects of the likes of Termin, Maxwell, and
Kraus. . .

I apologize for misspelling Dr Terman's name. Poor spelling is just one
of the handicaps of having such a low IQ. Carelessness is another. It's
a tough life.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

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Bill Baka wrote:
On 05/24/2010 11:29 PM, Richard Clark wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 20:09:30 -0700, Bill
wrote:

On 05/24/2010 03:42 PM, Richard Clark wrote:
On Mon, 24 May 2010 13:34:13 -0700, Bill
wrote:

those questions will be solved until the median IQ reaches
about 130 and not 100, but I am not holding my breath over that ever
happening.

Move to Lake Wobegone and enjoy the everyday experience of that.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I'm amazed that anyone even remembers that fictional lake.
Bill Baka

It's not hard to forget something that is on every week.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

I didn't know that. I may not be broadcast here in California or it is
just lost in the hundred channels or so on cable.
Cheers,
Bill Baka
Virtually every public broadcasting station carries it, at least in
southern California.