LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Nov 2, 11:56*pm, justme wrote:
Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. * Wood in any
configuration will not do. *PVC pipe will not do. *Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

Go to Walmart and ask the bike assembler for the plastic front fork
separaters shipped with the bikes. He would throw them away otherwise.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:56:44 -0500, justme wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

Why not PVC pipe?
The old W7FY 600 ohm separators seemed to
work well for me. They would seem to be light, stable
strong, and waterproof over the 9 years I have had
my dipole up.
ed, N5EI

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Nov 2, 10:56*pm, justme wrote:
Any ideas out there?

One half inch black plastic irrigation tubing is inexpensive and
designed to withstand the elements. Cut it to length, drill opposing
holes at each end (a little smaller than the wire insulation) and cut
a key-hole slot from each hole. Clip the holes around the wire and
enjoy.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On 11/2/2010 11:56 PM, justme wrote:
Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.


PVC pipe works well, I wouldn't reject it. Better yet look at plastic
gray conduit. It's made to stand up to the sun and is cheap and light. I
used it to make some 600 Ohm line for my antenna.

John W3JXP

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:56:44 -0500, justme wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.
In the last couple of days I saw somewhere on the internet where some
one used a lot of disposable BIC razors for the task...
John Ferrell W8CCW

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

Thanks, Bill. I will try that.


On Tue, 2 Nov 2010 22:48:25 -0700 (PDT), Bill wrote:

On Nov 2, 11:56*pm, justme wrote:
Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. * Wood in any
configuration will not do. *PVC pipe will not do. *Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

Go to Walmart and ask the bike assembler for the plastic front fork
separaters shipped with the bikes. He would throw them away otherwise.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

Ed,

How long is your feed line or, how many of what size do you have?

Joe

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 07:00:18 -0400, Edward Feustel
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:56:44 -0500, justme wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

Why not PVC pipe?
The old W7FY 600 ohm separators seemed to
work well for me. They would seem to be light, stable
strong, and waterproof over the 9 years I have had
my dipole up.
ed, N5EI

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

Didn't think of that. I wish they made 1/4 inch. However, I will
surely look at it.

Thanks

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 04:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Cecil Moore
wrote:

On Nov 2, 10:56*pm, justme wrote:
Any ideas out there?

One half inch black plastic irrigation tubing is inexpensive and
designed to withstand the elements. Cut it to length, drill opposing
holes at each end (a little smaller than the wire insulation) and cut
a key-hole slot from each hole. Clip the holes around the wire and
enjoy.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

I was concerned about weight, John. How many do you have on your feed
line?



On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:42:14 -0400, John Passaneau
wrote:

On 11/2/2010 11:56 PM, justme wrote:
Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.


PVC pipe works well, I wouldn't reject it. Better yet look at plastic
gray conduit. It's made to stand up to the sun and is cheap and light. I
used it to make some 600 Ohm line for my antenna.

John W3JXP

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

I can only imagine how many minutes that they would hold up in the
Texas heat and sun. You never know, though.

Thanks everyone.
I have food for thought.

Joe

On Wed, 03 Nov 2010 09:43:59 -0400, John Ferrell
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:56:44 -0500, justme wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.
In the last couple of days I saw somewhere on the internet where some
one used a lot of disposable BIC razors for the task...
John Ferrell W8CCW

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

justme wrote in
:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Have you considered 4mm rigid black PE irrigation risers?

Owen

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

justme wrote:
Didn't think of that. I wish they made 1/4 inch. However, I will
surely look at it.

They DO make 1/4"... drip irrigation tubing

Thanks

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 04:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Cecil Moore
wrote:

On Nov 2, 10:56 pm, justme wrote:
Any ideas out there?
One half inch black plastic irrigation tubing is inexpensive and
designed to withstand the elements. Cut it to length, drill opposing
holes at each end (a little smaller than the wire insulation) and cut
a key-hole slot from each hole. Clip the holes around the wire and
enjoy.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

One concern about black plastic tubing...

some kinds use carbon black as a filler, which makes them resistive.
Probably not an issue for relatively low voltages in an RF feedline, but
not good for the Van deGraaff generator, etc.

justme wrote:
Didn't think of that. I wish they made 1/4 inch. However, I will
surely look at it.

Thanks

On Wed, 3 Nov 2010 04:38:18 -0700 (PDT), Cecil Moore
wrote:

On Nov 2, 10:56 pm, justme wrote:
Any ideas out there?
One half inch black plastic irrigation tubing is inexpensive and
designed to withstand the elements. Cut it to length, drill opposing
holes at each end (a little smaller than the wire insulation) and cut
a key-hole slot from each hole. Clip the holes around the wire and
enjoy.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Nov 2, 10:56*pm, justme wrote:
Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. * Wood in any
configuration will not do. *PVC pipe will not do. *Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

One other thing that I have seen mentioned on this newsgroup, is
plastic clothes hangers chopped up. They are about 3/8" in diameter
and are cheap. Not sure about UV resistant.

Gary N4AST

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Nov 3, 5:14*pm, Gary wrote:


One other thing that I have seen mentioned on this newsgroup, is
plastic clothes hangers chopped up. *They are about 3/8" in diameter
and are cheap. *Not sure about UV resistant.

Gary N4AST

I've used those for small insulators. They do break down and
get brittle after a while. But it takes a while. Being as they
wouldn't be holding as much strain compared to using them
for end insulators, they might last a fairly long time before
one broke at one of the holes.
But the UV will do a number on them in the long term.
Little strips of clear Lexan window material might last for a
fairly decent amount of time. It's pretty strong, so will take
a while to get weak enough to break with the fairly low
tensions involved.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Nov 2, 11:56*pm, justme wrote:
Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. * Wood in any
configuration will not do. *PVC pipe will not do. *Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

Fiberglas electric cattle fence poles...various sizes, Sears and
Tractor Supply, among others, have them. Cut into appropriate size and
drill holes on eaach end. Fairly cheap.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:56:44 -0500, justme wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.


If you live in a rural area, check the hardware or farm supply stores
for electric fence insulators. The ones in my hardware store are 5 or
6 inches long and cost a few dollars per hundred.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:56:44 -0500, justme wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

Check the pictures here. This guy's ladderline is pretty good. I've
got 50 feet of it I plan to use one of these days.

http://www.trueladderline.com/

Bob
k5qwg

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

"Gary" wrote in message
...
One other thing that I have seen mentioned on this newsgroup, is
plastic clothes hangers chopped up. They are about 3/8" in diameter
and are cheap. Not sure about UV resistant.

Gary N4AST


These are generally polystyrene and their UV resistance is not too bad.
They are cheap!

WA4VZQ

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

gosh! These would be perfect. I went to the site but can't read the
language.

I wonder if you could tell me how much 500 would cost shipped to Texas
and the cost of 500?

We have some plactic plant stakes. They are round about 1/2 or 3/8
inch in ciamter. Color is green and the have some ridges which, I
guess would prevent ties/wires from slipping down the stake.
However, they are expensive per stick.


I sure wish that I could find what you suggested over here.

THANK YOU.

joe



On Wed, 10 Nov 2010 02:11:28 +0100, Yanu Yet Another Nice Usenetuser
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:56:44 -0500, justme wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

If it's Dutch it ain't much...
"We" use spreaders which are used for growing roses, so called "rose
clips."
http://www.xs4all.nl/~pa0fri/Ant/Ant...spreiderf1.jpg
The picture shows how perfect they are made for spreaders!
The original seller:
http://www.amevo.nl/plantstokken_boomclips/
They are rather cheap a few cent each UV resistant.
In relation to the transport cost to the US it can be expensive. They
come in bundles of 500 pc!
Unfortunately don't know where you can buy them in the US, but you can
start looking in local agriculture shops.
Somebody must grow roses over there having the same problem...
Jan/pa3abk

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

Well, all of that sounds good until I went to Tractor supply and
couldn't find what you were talking about.

I did find this:SKU Number: 3610032 but they are only 4 inches long.
They talk of its staples, too.

Can you tell me the store and product numter that you are talking
about?

Thanks

Joe





On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:57:03 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:56:44 -0500, justme wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.


If you live in a rural area, check the hardware or farm supply stores
for electric fence insulators. The ones in my hardware store are 5 or
6 inches long and cost a few dollars per hundred.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

The ones I have used for whip ant. are about 3/8" thick & bought at Tractor
Supply & also Baumgar's (not sure of spelling) also notice in Walmart they
have snow marking poles in various colors & length that should also work...
"justme" wrote in message
...
Well, all of that sounds good until I went to Tractor supply and
couldn't find what you were talking about.

I did find this:SKU Number: 3610032 but they are only 4 inches long.
They talk of its staples, too.

Can you tell me the store and product numter that you are talking
about?

Thanks

Joe





On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:57:03 -0400, Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names
wrote:

On Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:56:44 -0500, justme wrote:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.


If you live in a rural area, check the hardware or farm supply stores
for electric fence insulators. The ones in my hardware store are 5 or
6 inches long and cost a few dollars per hundred.

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

justme wrote in
:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

These might not be regarded as cheap, but they are designed for purpose:
http://www.tet-emtron.com/product-p/te-450sp.htm . They are not 4 to 5
inches wide, the seller claims about 450 ohms using 2mm diameter bare wire.

If you used insulated wire, Zo would be a little higher (eg 1mm conductor
would give somewhere between 500 and 600 ohms).

Owen

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Nov 2, 10:56*pm, justme wrote:
Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. * Wood in any
configuration will not do. *PVC pipe will not do. *Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

I came by some glass rope (believe it was used for making fireproof
curtains) I saturated it in resin to make some fiberglass rods. I
would think other types of rope impregnated with resin may work, Ive
seen burlap successfully used with resin so I am thinking hemp rope
may work.

Jimmie

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

Thanks, Owen.

Those look great but are too much money for me.

Joe

On Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:46:39 GMT, Owen Duffy wrote:

justme wrote in
:

Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. Wood in any
configuration will not do. PVC pipe will not do. Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

These might not be regarded as cheap, but they are designed for purpose:
http://www.tet-emtron.com/product-p/te-450sp.htm . They are not 4 to 5
inches wide, the seller claims about 450 ohms using 2mm diameter bare wire.

If you used insulated wire, Zo would be a little higher (eg 1mm conductor
would give somewhere between 500 and 600 ohms).

Owen

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

Hey, Jimmie, that is what I thought about making.

Where did you get the fiberglass rope and how much was/is it?


Joe

On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:10:15 -0800 (PST), JIMMIE
wrote:

On Nov 2, 10:56*pm, justme wrote:
Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. * Wood in any
configuration will not do. *PVC pipe will not do. *Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

I came by some glass rope (believe it was used for making fireproof
curtains) I saturated it in resin to make some fiberglass rods. I
would think other types of rope impregnated with resin may work, Ive
seen burlap successfully used with resin so I am thinking hemp rope
may work.

Jimmie

LADDER LINE SPREADERS
 

On Dec 11, 10:06*pm, justme wrote:
Hey, Jimmie, that is what I thought about making.

Where did you get the fiberglass rope and how much was/is it?

Joe

On Thu, 9 Dec 2010 08:10:15 -0800 (PST), JIMMIE



wrote:
On Nov 2, 10:56*pm, justme wrote:
Hi, Folks.

I need ideas for CHEAP and uv stable, strong, light weight, waterproof
ladder line spreaders of about 4 or 5 inches wide. * Wood in any
configuration will not do. *PVC pipe will not do. *Welding rod would
do but it is expensive.

I was thinking of Fiberglas tape, twisted and put in place and then
resin applied but that is very cumbersome.

Any ideas out there?

Thank you.

I came by some glass rope (believe it was used for making fireproof
curtains) I saturated it in resin to make some fiberglass rods. I
would think other types of rope impregnated with resin may work, Ive
seen burlap successfully used *with resin so I am thinking *hemp rope
may work.

Jimmie- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I came by it while demolishing a motel. A roll of green rope was in
storage there. Dont know what it would cost if I had to buy it. Hemp
rope is cheap if you can find some that is raw and not impregnated
with oil it should take resin pretty good. Fortunately the kind with
no oil is the cheapest. Ive experimented with rope made of paper,
soaking it with resin also made some rods I believe could be used for
your pupose. I never used them for anything but they I had a couple of
2m lengths outside for 5 or 6 years before disposing of them. I was
surprised at how well they held up. Im sure they would have done even
better if they had been painted.. Not sure of the cost but it should
be very inexpensive. Cost of the resin would be the biggest factor.

Jimmie