On Feb 2, 3:53*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
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On 2 feb, 09:37, "Antonio Vernucci" wrote:

For the limitation on lumped circuit approach, it is not important
whether or not it contributes to the overall radiation of a
structure. *When you make a floating ground out of 4 quarter-wave
radials (monopole?), this structure has minor influence on the far
field pattern of the quarter wave (or better half wave) radiator above
it.

Inhttp://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.html*Faraday wrote:

"The view which I am so bold to put forth considers, therefore, radiation as
a kind of species of vibration in the lines of force which are known to
connect particles and also masses of matter together. It endeavors to
dismiss the aether, but not the vibration. The kind of vibration which, I
believe, can alone account for the wonderful, varied, and beautiful
phaenomena of polarization, is not the same as that which occurs on the
surface of disturbed water, or the waves of sound in gases or liquids, for
the vibrations in these cases are direct, or to and from the centre of
action, whereas the former are lateral. It seems to me, that the resultant
of two or more lines of force is in an apt condition for that action which
may be considered as equivalent to a lateral vibration; whereas a uniform
medium, like the aether, does not appear apt, or more apt than air or
water."

I hope you can read what you quoted above and understand it... note
specifically:

It endeavors to
dismiss the aether, but not the vibration.

so with this he has decided there is NO aether!

is not the same as that which occurs on the
surface of disturbed water, or the waves of sound in gases or liquids,

so all the comparisons to water waves or sound waves are NOT correct!

equivalent to a lateral vibration

NOT longitudinal!

so by these statements he has said that electromagnetic waves ARE NOT
caused by an aether, and ARE lateral, NOT longitudinal... and CAN NOT
be compared to sound or water vibrations!

"K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Feb 2, 3:53 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Inhttp://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.html Faraday wrote:

"The view which I am so bold to put forth considers, therefore, radiation
as
a kind of species of vibration in the lines of force which are known to
connect particles and also masses of matter together. It endeavors to
dismiss the aether, but not the vibration. The kind of vibration which, I
believe, can alone account for the wonderful, varied, and beautiful
phaenomena of polarization, is not the same as that which occurs on the
surface of disturbed water, or the waves of sound in gases or liquids, for
the vibrations in these cases are direct, or to and from the centre of
action, whereas the former are lateral. It seems to me, that the resultant
of two or more lines of force is in an apt condition for that action which
may be considered as equivalent to a lateral vibration; whereas a uniform
medium, like the aether, does not appear apt, or more apt than air or
water."

I hope you can read what you quoted above and understand it... note
specifically:

It endeavors to
dismiss the aether, but not the vibration.

so with this he has decided there is NO aether!

Ik such words: "I suppose we may compare together the matter of the aether
and ordinary matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through which
the electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter"

In your antennas and in the space are free electrons. We do not need a
mystery aether.

is not the same as that which occurs on the
surface of disturbed water, or the waves of sound in gases or liquids,

so all the comparisons to water waves or sound waves are NOT correct!

You know that the dipole works like the two loudspeakers.

equivalent to a lateral vibration

NOT longitudinal!

And not traversal. The waves radiated from the two ends of a dipole I call
"coupled".

so by these statements he has said that electromagnetic waves ARE NOT
caused by an aether, and ARE lateral, NOT longitudinal... and CAN NOT
be compared to sound or water vibrations!

Faraday was great. In the Nature no natural acoustic dipoles. For him was
obvious that must be something equivalent to a lateral vibration.
As you know it is the two or more sources of pressure waves properly phased.

Are electrons jumping off from your transmitting antennas?
In copper and in space are the same "little nuclei, considered in the
abstract as matter". Electrons have mass.

Biot-Savart's magnetic whirl is massles.
S*

On Feb 2, 7:53*pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Feb 2, 3:53 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





Inhttp://www.padrak.com/ine/FARADAY1.htmlFaraday wrote:

"The view which I am so bold to put forth considers, therefore, radiation
as
a kind of species of vibration in the lines of force which are known to
connect particles and also masses of matter together. It endeavors to
dismiss the aether, but not the vibration. The kind of vibration which, I
believe, can alone account for the wonderful, varied, and beautiful
phaenomena of polarization, is not the same as that which occurs on the
surface of disturbed water, or the waves of sound in gases or liquids, for
the vibrations in these cases are direct, or to and from the centre of
action, whereas the former are lateral. It seems to me, that the resultant
of two or more lines of force is in an apt condition for that action which
may be considered as equivalent to a lateral vibration; whereas a uniform
medium, like the aether, does not appear apt, or more apt than air or
water."
I hope you can read what you quoted above and understand it... note

specifically:

It endeavors to
dismiss the aether, but not the vibration.
so with this he has decided there is NO aether!

Ik such words: "I suppose we may compare together the matter of the aether
and ordinary matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through which
the electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter"

In your antennas and in the space are free electrons. We do not need a
mystery aether.

is not the same as that which occurs on the
surface of disturbed water, or the waves of sound in gases or liquids,
so all the comparisons to water waves or sound waves are NOT correct!

You know that the dipole works like the two loudspeakers.

equivalent to a lateral vibration
NOT longitudinal!

And not traversal. The waves radiated from the two ends of a dipole I call
"coupled".

so by these statements he has said that electromagnetic waves ARE NOT

caused by an aether, and ARE lateral, NOT longitudinal... and CAN NOT
be compared to sound or water vibrations!

Faraday was great. In *the Nature no natural acoustic dipoles. For him was
obvious that must be something equivalent to a lateral vibration.
As you know it is the two or more sources of pressure waves properly phased.

Are electrons jumping off from your transmitting antennas?
In copper and in space are the same "little nuclei, considered in the
abstract as matter". Electrons have mass.

Biot-Savart's magnetic whirl is massles.
S*

no, electrons don't jump off my antennas, and there can not be free
electrons in space or they would all repel each other and fly away.
and since they have mass and other detectable properties we would
easily be able to measure them if they were conducting electromagnetic
waves, such a simple thing as speed of the wave would be VERY
different than what we measure now.

"K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Feb 2, 7:53 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

In such words: "I suppose we may compare together the matter of the
aether
and ordinary matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through
which
the electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their
essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter" (Faraday).

In your antennas and in the space are free electrons. We do not need a
mystery aether.

Are electrons jumping off from your transmitting antennas?
In copper and in space are the same "little nuclei, considered in the
abstract as matter". Electrons have mass.


no, electrons don't jump off my antennas,

Tesla did the electron gun from an antenna. Why yours are different?

and there can not be free
electrons in space or they would all repel each other and fly away.

They do. The rare plasma is produced by the Sun. After condensation they
come back to stars.

and since they have mass and other detectable properties we would
easily be able to measure them if they were conducting electromagnetic
waves,

The electron gun produces the catode rays. You are able to measure them. Put
on a glas bottle with the anticatode on the top of CB radio antenna.
Your current meter measures the DC ground current.

such a simple thing as speed of the wave would be VERY
different than what we measure now.

Speed of the electric waves is and will be the same for ever. Of course for
the same temperature.

Faraday stated that must be: "that action which may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*

On Feb 3, 8:42*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
*"K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Feb 2, 7:53 pm, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:





In such words: "I suppose we may compare together the matter of the
aether
and ordinary matter (as, for instance, the copper of the wire through
which
the electricity is conducted), and consider them as alike in their
essential
constitution; i.e. either as both composed of little nuclei, considered in
the abstract as matter" (Faraday).

In your antennas and in the space are free electrons. We do not need a
mystery aether.

Are electrons jumping off from your transmitting antennas?
In copper and in space are the same "little nuclei, considered in the
abstract as matter". Electrons have mass.

no, electrons don't jump off my antennas,

Tesla did the electron gun from an antenna. Why yours are different?

and there can not be free

electrons in space or they would all repel each other and fly away.

They do. The rare plasma is produced by the Sun. After condensation they
come back to stars.

and since they have mass and other detectable properties we would

easily be able to measure them if they were conducting electromagnetic
waves,

The electron gun produces the catode rays. You are able to measure them. Put
on a glas bottle with the anticatode on the top of CB radio antenna.
Your current meter measures the DC ground current.

such a simple thing as speed of the wave would be VERY

different than what we measure now.

Speed of the electric waves is and will be the same for ever. Of course for
the same temperature.

Faraday stated that must be: "that action which *may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*

no, i am better than you at reading faraday.

Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w wiadomosci
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On Feb 3, 8:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:

Faraday stated that must be: "that action which may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*

no, i am better than you at reading faraday.

Do you need " the action which may be considered as equivalent to a lateral
vibration; "?
Or you are fine with TEM?
S*

On Feb 4, 8:04*am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:
Uzytkownik "K1TTT" napisal w ...
On Feb 3, 8:42 am, "Szczepan Bialek" wrote:



Faraday stated that must be: "that action which may be considered as
equivalent to a lateral vibration; "

The two (or more) sources give the same result like mystery TEM.

Are you better than Faraday?
S*
no, i am better than you at reading faraday.

Do you need " the action which may be considered as *equivalent to a lateral
vibration; "?
Or you are fine with TEM?
S*

i am fine with the transverse waves described by maxwell's equations
that don't require any aether.