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Who writes this stuff ?
Who writes VIRUS programs ?
Who makes a profit from it ? Any chance it could be those who sell the ANTI VIRUS software ? Just a thought!! 73 Al Lowe N0IMW |
Anything which increases traffic volume benefits Internet service providers.
===================================== Who writes VIRUS programs ? Who makes a profit from it ? Any chance it could be those who sell the ANTI VIRUS software ? Just a thought!! 73 Al Lowe N0IMW |
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Arrow146 wrote: Who writes VIRUS programs ? Who makes a profit from it ? Any chance it could be those who sell the ANTI VIRUS software ? Just a thought!! That thought has been raised by numerous people, over the past couple of decades (ever since MS-DOS viruses began to be a significant problem). I've never heard anyone put forth *any* credible evidence at all, which indicated that the commercial anti-virus-software companies or programmers had had anything to do with writing or releasing the viruses. Based on what I can see, the motives behind virus and trojanwriting a - Ego and bragging rights. Releasing a virus which spreads widely and gets a lot of visibility in the press provides the author(s) with a sense of importance. At the moment, there seems to be an ongoing battle between the authors of two or three of the currently-most-active virus/worm families. They're actually releasing viruses or worms which [1] contain code to identify, and remove their rivals' viruses, and [2] contain bragging "We're the best, they're all losers!" statements embedded in the code. - Spamming ability. Quite a few of the more recent viruses, worms, and trojan horses contain software which installs specialized email-processing software and web/email/TCP proxy servers. A large percentage (half or more, I've heard) of the spam flooding the Internet is now being sent through home PCs on DSL and cable-modem networks, which have been compromised by these viruses. Previous spam-fighting efforts had succeeded in shutting down many of the open email relays, and poorly-installed open proxy servers that the spammers had been abusing, and it's widely believed that major spam-gangs have commissioned virus-authors to implement these viral mail relays. The motive, in this case, is profit: spammers can flood millions of people with spam at almost no cost, and even a handful of sales can earn them enough money to be worth the effort. -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
Nope, absolutely incorrect. I work at an ISP, and with very few
exceptions, we get the same money regardless of the traffic. It is therefore in our best interest to minimize traffic. This is a cutthroat business, and no one can raise prices without losing customers. tom K0TAR Reg Edwards wrote: Anything which increases traffic volume benefits Internet service providers. ===================================== |
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... Anything which increases traffic volume benefits Internet service providers. Uhm no... If a normal customer is using more bandwidth (receiving and sending more email, committing virus controlled DDoS attacks, etc) Internet service providers LOSE MONEY. They pay by the byte, you don't. Most customers pay a flat fee for internet access. This is true of most Cable, DSL, ISDN, and Dial-up setups... they are priced based on an expectation of 'normal' usage, and the ISP loses money in 'extreme' usage cases. Why I ( a 'power user') get nasty emails from ISP's and have to switch often.... this one is good about that though. |
Close, but not quite.
An ISP will buy pipes, such as a DS3 that does 45Mbps, for a flat rate per month. Theoretically the upstream provider doesn't care if 1 bps or 45 Mbps are passing through that pipe; from a billing perspective, they get the same money. But they have to play the statistical game on how much upstream pipe that they need to handle all the 45Mbps pipes they sold to ISPs like you. And eventually you get to the backbone providers, who have really really big pipes, and very expensive routers. This "power user" thing is something I've never heard anyone in the business speak of, so I have no idea why you would get bumped. If you are not breaking the TOS agreement, ISPs don't care a rat's rear end how much traffic you generate. You buy a pipe from the ISP and you have every right to fill it if you can. The only exception to that would be that you have a maximum number of hours or bytes per month. They won't kick you if you exceed it, they just charge you an additional amount that you agreed to in your contract with them. Some ISPs may do it a bit differently, but that's fairly normal in the industry. tom K0TAR Tyas_MT wrote: "Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... Anything which increases traffic volume benefits Internet service providers. Uhm no... If a normal customer is using more bandwidth (receiving and sending more email, committing virus controlled DDoS attacks, etc) Internet service providers LOSE MONEY. They pay by the byte, you don't. Most customers pay a flat fee for internet access. This is true of most Cable, DSL, ISDN, and Dial-up setups... they are priced based on an expectation of 'normal' usage, and the ISP loses money in 'extreme' usage cases. Why I ( a 'power user') get nasty emails from ISP's and have to switch often.... this one is good about that though. |
And I forgot to mention that almost all our customers are of the
unlimited type, so we don't don't monitor their traffic rate, or amount. tom K0TAR Tom Ring wrote: Close, but not quite. An ISP will buy pipes, such as a DS3 that does 45Mbps, for a flat rate per month. Theoretically the upstream provider doesn't care if 1 bps or 45 Mbps are passing through that pipe; from a billing perspective, they get the same money. But they have to play the statistical game on how much upstream pipe that they need to handle all the 45Mbps pipes they sold to ISPs like you. And eventually you get to the backbone providers, who have really really big pipes, and very expensive routers. This "power user" thing is something I've never heard anyone in the business speak of, so I have no idea why you would get bumped. If you are not breaking the TOS agreement, ISPs don't care a rat's rear end how much traffic you generate. You buy a pipe from the ISP and you have every right to fill it if you can. The only exception to that would be that you have a maximum number of hours or bytes per month. They won't kick you if you exceed it, they just charge you an additional amount that you agreed to in your contract with them. Some ISPs may do it a bit differently, but that's fairly normal in the industry. tom K0TAR |
Tom Ring wrote:
This "power user" thing is something I've never heard anyone in the business speak of, so I have no idea why you would get bumped. If you are not breaking the TOS agreement, ISPs don't care a rat's rear end how much traffic you generate. You buy a pipe from the ISP and you have every right to fill it if you can. Yes, and the ISP has the right to simply stop offering you service as well. BTW, the same thing happens with cell phone usage... many plans now have 'unlimited minutes,' but in actuality your usage is tracked and people who use far, FAR more minutes than the average are usually sent warnings letters or politely told that the provider no longer wishes to offer them service. |
Tom Ring wrote:
And I forgot to mention that almost all our customers are of the unlimited type, so we don't don't monitor their traffic rate, or amount. Are you offering dial-up service only, or cable modem/DSL services? Where I live, cable modem users get well over a megabit per second of bandwidth, and someone filling that connection 24 hours a day is going to make a noticeable mark in the ISP's overall bandwidth usage. |
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