On Jun 24, 7:17*pm, Mike Coslo wrote:
Okay, Cecil - now work phlogiston theory into this, and I'll buy you a beer.

Exactly what is wrong with the concept of a "quantum aether"?
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On Jun 24, 7:17 pm, Mike Coslo wrote:
Okay, Cecil - now work phlogiston theory into this, and I'll buy you a
beer.

Exactly what is wrong with the concept of a "quantum aether"?

And what about of Dirac see: "The Dirac sea is a theoretical model of the
vacuum as an infinite sea of particles with negative energy".
S*

On 6/28/2011 11:38 AM, Cecil Moore wrote:
On Jun 24, 7:17 pm, Mike wrote:
Okay, Cecil - now work phlogiston theory into this, and I'll buy you a beer.

Exactly what is wrong with the concept of a "quantum aether"?

So is this like the aether that acts as a transport medium, or is it
like quanta, that pop into and out of existence?

And that's where I have the issue. Use of the two terms like that is
confusing. I find that some like to invoke the term as some sort of
vindication of previous ideas, some just invoke a superficial
resemblance. I remember when I first learned of quantum soup, I
immediately thought of aether, but after ten seconds or so, I figured it
was a very superficial resemblance only.

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On 6/28/2011 2:16 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

And what about of Dirac see: "The Dirac sea is a theoretical model of the
vacuum as an infinite sea of particles with negative energy".


It's still not aether, it's an awkward prediction of infinite energy.

As incredibly cool as I think that would be, I suspect that we're going
to find that there is an equal and opposite effect going on.

If it's real, then Arthur C Clark predicted not only a whole lot of
energy, but a heat crisis to boot. Know how that would happen?

- 73 de Mike N3LI -

On Jul 4, 8:04*pm, Mike Coslo wrote:
So is this like the aether that acts as a transport medium, or is it
like quanta, that pop into and out of existence?

Change the "or" to "and" and you've got it. It is quanta that pop into
and out of existence that acts as a transport medium for EM waves. EM
waves cannot propagate without "it" as a medium. That's why EM waves
cannot escape the universe - witness the 12+ billion year old
background radiation still propagating through the quantum aether to
this very day.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Jul 5, 4:50*pm, "Sal" wrote:
I infer that a perfect vacuum wouldn't propagate EM waves.

Wrong - a perfect vacuum teems with the quantum soup and therefore
does propagate EM waves. What will not propagate EM waves is the
absence of the quantum soup, i.e. absolute nothingness which surrounds
the known universe..
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

On Jul 6, 1:59*pm, "Sal" wrote:
I see "quantum soup" referred to in the context of the time immediately
after the Big Bang. *How would you describe the latter-day quantum soup?

After the time when the universe changed from being opaque to being
transparent to EM light waves, a dilution of the quantum soup has
occurred. The increase in the wavelength of the Big-Bang energy is
proportional to the expansion of the universe. When the quantum soup
gets diluted enough to cease its expansion pressure, gravity will take
over and the universe will collapse into another singularity - ad
infinitum - just as it has "always" been. The quantum soup is like a
spring that releases expansion energy for a time and then stores
collapsing energy for a time. What could possibly have more inertia
than the entire universe?

P.S. It's hard to talk about the passing of time when time is known to
cease to exist during a singularity. "How long does a singularity
last?" is a nonsense question because time is undefined during a
singularity.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com