You know, one wonders what happens if you swap the Hustler and the
counterpoise? Coax center to a quarter wave piece of wire, shield to a
(ugh! I had one once) Hustler not too near the ground. Nothing different
probably, but you never know.

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Neil,
By now, you have probably figured out that the 'Hustler'
antenna as a portable isn't exactly the best idea without
a very good ground system. But, it will work with a
counterpoise. Not well, but it will work. Something in
the near 'neighborhood' of a 1/4 wave for the counterpoise's
length should make the transmitter 'see' a load it can work
into (depending on how that counterpoise is 'laid out').
There are other options for a portable antenna that may
work better than an extremely shortened mobile antenna...
'Doc

And, one other idea !! (found on the bay of "e"), and available elsewhere-
a mount for 2 of these (or the hustler, and an Iron Horse, ect) "1/4" wave
antenna -- first antenna goes to center of coax, second goes to shield!!
makes a dipole, about 15 foot long, and can be mounted to mast (conductive,
or plastic, same diff! tho the impedence will be quite low (because of
these loaded
whips), and the effeciency will be also not the best, at least would be an
effective counterpoise!! and, to boot, parts available to build adaptor at
rip-off shack!! got whole thing off epay for about 50 bux, + shipping!!
Jim NN7K


"Crazy George" wrote in message
...
You know, one wonders what happens if you swap the Hustler and the
counterpoise? Coax center to a quarter wave piece of wire, shield to a
(ugh! I had one once) Hustler not too near the ground. Nothing different
probably, but you never know.

--
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"'Doc" wrote in message ...


Neil,
By now, you have probably figured out that the 'Hustler'
antenna as a portable isn't exactly the best idea without
a very good ground system. But, it will work with a
counterpoise. Not well, but it will work. Something in
the near 'neighborhood' of a 1/4 wave for the counterpoise's
length should make the transmitter 'see' a load it can work
into (depending on how that counterpoise is 'laid out').
There are other options for a portable antenna that may
work better than an extremely shortened mobile antenna...
'Doc

BTW that is Both Antennas, and the adaptor- not too expensive- cheaper when
need only one ant, and the adaptor.


"Jim" wrote in message
...


And, one other idea !! (found on the bay of "e"), and available elsewhere-
a mount for 2 of these (or the hustler, and an Iron Horse, ect) "1/4"
wave
antenna -- first antenna goes to center of coax, second goes to shield!!
makes a dipole, about 15 foot long, and can be mounted to mast
(conductive,
or plastic, same diff! tho the impedence will be quite low (because of
these loaded
whips), and the effeciency will be also not the best, at least would be
an
effective counterpoise!! and, to boot, parts available to build adaptor
at
rip-off shack!! got whole thing off epay for about 50 bux, + shipping!!
Jim NN7K


"Crazy George" wrote in message
...
You know, one wonders what happens if you swap the Hustler and the
counterpoise? Coax center to a quarter wave piece of wire, shield to a
(ugh! I had one once) Hustler not too near the ground. Nothing
different
probably, but you never know.

--
Crazy George
Remove N O and S P A M imbedded in return address
"'Doc" wrote in message
...


Neil,
By now, you have probably figured out that the 'Hustler'
antenna as a portable isn't exactly the best idea without
a very good ground system. But, it will work with a
counterpoise. Not well, but it will work. Something in
the near 'neighborhood' of a 1/4 wave for the counterpoise's
length should make the transmitter 'see' a load it can work
into (depending on how that counterpoise is 'laid out').
There are other options for a portable antenna that may
work better than an extremely shortened mobile antenna...
'Doc

Jim wrote:
BTW that is Both Antennas, and the adaptor- not too expensive- cheaper when
need only one ant, and the adaptor.

It works well enough above 14 MHz, but such an antenna for
75m is a real dog.
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Jim wrote:
And, one other idea !! (found on the bay of "e"), and available elsewhere-
a mount for 2 of these (or the hustler, and an Iron Horse, ect) "1/4" wave
antenna -- first antenna goes to center of coax, second goes to shield!!
makes a dipole, about 15 foot long, and can be mounted to mast (conductive,
or plastic, same diff! tho the impedence will be quite low (because of
these loaded
whips), and the effeciency will be also not the best, at least would be an
effective counterpoise!! and, to boot, parts available to build adaptor at
rip-off shack!! got whole thing off epay for about 50 bux, + shipping!!
Jim NN7K

What do you consider to be the purpose(s) of a counterpoise?
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Counterpoise is required for most antennas to operate "effeciently" (have
you ever tried to load a 1/4 wave whip (without one)? Makes great dummy
load! Dont radiate worth a darn! Needs the full "1/2 wave" to radiate
effectively say that as can be done with loading coils, ect to shorten the
effective length, or a ground media for the 1/4 part to work against (tho,
at vhf there are SOME 1/2 wave , base coupled antennas that need no counter
poise-- but then talking 75 meters- 125 foot tower to do that!!



Cecil wrote:
Jim wrote:
And, one other idea !! (found on the bay of "e"), and available
elsewhere-
a mount for 2 of these (or the hustler, and an Iron Horse, ect) "1/4"
wave
antenna -- first antenna goes to center of coax, second goes to shield!!
makes a dipole, about 15 foot long, and can be mounted to mast
(conductive,
or plastic, same diff! tho the impedence will be quite low (because of
these loaded
whips), and the effeciency will be also not the best, at least would be
an
effective counterpoise!! and, to boot, parts available to build adaptor
at
rip-off shack!! got whole thing off epay for about 50 bux, +
shipping!!
Jim NN7K

What do you consider to be the purpose(s) of a counterpoise?
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Oh, and BTW, never stated it would be the "Best" antenna, But, surely would
be easier to pack, and set up, then packing a roll of wire , aprox. 67 feet
long, and haveing to retrieve it later!! and, would be willing to bet,
even as lousey is this is, would beat that one manufactured by a certain
outfit that is about 3 foot high, and LOADS up your coax (ISO-T) to avoid
lawsuits, like they involved 73 in years ago . Ron-er Jim NN7K

Counterpoise is required for most antennas to operate "effeciently" (have
you ever tried to load a 1/4 wave whip (without one)? Makes great dummy
load! Dont radiate worth a darn! Needs the full "1/2 wave" to radiate
effectively say that as can be done with loading coils, ect to shorten the
effective length, or a ground media for the 1/4 part to work against (tho,
at vhf there are SOME 1/2 wave , base coupled antennas that need no
counter
poise-- but then talking 75 meters- 125 foot tower to do that!!



Cecil wrote:
Jim wrote:
And, one other idea !! (found on the bay of "e"), and available
elsewhere-
a mount for 2 of these (or the hustler, and an Iron Horse, ect)
"1/4"
wave
antenna -- first antenna goes to center of coax, second goes to
shield!!
makes a dipole, about 15 foot long, and can be mounted to mast
(conductive,
or plastic, same diff! tho the impedence will be quite low (because
of
these loaded
whips), and the effeciency will be also not the best, at least would
be
an
effective counterpoise!! and, to boot, parts available to build
adaptor
at
rip-off shack!! got whole thing off epay for about 50 bux, +
shipping!!
Jim NN7K

What do you consider to be the purpose(s) of a counterpoise?
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George,
It does that every half cycle...
'Doc