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I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 |
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On 1/8/2012 8:15 AM, Tuuk wrote:
Hi I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 It's RF. Unless all that noise is on the fundamental frequency, it seems to be rather open to out of band RF. Which is not too unusual with the wide band receivers those radios have. I bet you also get loads of intermod when in the middle of large cities. :/ |
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Thanks for the responding. What RF would be causing that near my home's Smart Meter, that new meter they installed on my home. Are they transmitting the information from that meter? Wow, when I go near that the FT530 is useless. Should I tell the electrical supplier to ground that thing or replace it or something? Seems anything that goes near there is interferred with including mobile phone. Another side question, do you know a online dealer who sells replacement batteries for that? I would like the FNB 27 with NMHD. I did a search and found some that were 40 or 50 dollars plus shipping. If someone knows a trustworthy source that is economical please let me know the link, thanks 73 "NM5K" wrote in message ... On 1/8/2012 8:15 AM, Tuuk wrote: Hi I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 It's RF. Unless all that noise is on the fundamental frequency, it seems to be rather open to out of band RF. Which is not too unusual with the wide band receivers those radios have. I bet you also get loads of intermod when in the middle of large cities. :/ |
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Another side question, do you know a online dealer who sells replacement batteries for that? I would like the FNB 27 with NMHD. I did a search and found some that were 40 or 50 dollars plus shipping. If someone knows a trustworthy source that is economical please let me know the link, thanks IMHO it's a moot point. Buy a battery pack that takes AA batteries. The best ones being the slow self discharge NiMH batteries. Then you can charge it in a charger designed for AA NiMH batteries, or use an external charger that works with the battery but charges based on the proper way of charging NIMH batteries. Too many chargers of that era charge by dumping power into them until they overheat and then shut off. The result is cooked batteries. NiMH batteries always overheat when charged that way. New (available at least 15 years ago), stop charging when the voltage out of the cell dips, which indicates full charge. They can be purchased cheaply in many places. Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM My high blood pressure medicine reduces my midichlorian count. :-( |
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On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, " Tuuk"
wrote: Hi I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 The effects you describe are normal, nothing paranormal involved, no Aliens, no brain control and no health danger. Every radio does buzz and crackle when brought into electromagnetic dirt. w. |
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" Tuuk" wrote in message ... Hi Thanks for the responding. What RF would be causing that near my home's Smart Meter, that new meter they installed on my home. Are they transmitting the information from that meter? Wow, when I go near that the FT530 is useless. Should I tell the electrical supplier to ground that thing or replace it or something? Seems anything that goes near there is interferred with including mobile phone. Another side question, do you know a online dealer who sells replacement batteries for that? I would like the FNB 27 with NMHD. I did a search and found some that were 40 or 50 dollars plus shipping. If someone knows a trustworthy source that is economical please let me know the link, thanks Just about anything that generates an RF signal will also generate noise around that signal. The noise is supposed to be so weak that it doesn't travel far to interfere with other devices. Your handheld is most likely close enough to pick up that noise, and it is "in band" to the receiver. |
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Helmut Wabnig Inscribed thus:
On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, " Tuuk" wrote: Hi I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 The effects you describe are normal, nothing paranormal involved, no Aliens, no brain control and no health danger. Every radio does buzz and crackle when brought into electromagnetic dirt. w. FWIW I have a cell tower about 100ft away with an 'if' at 144.000Mhz and can hear what are probably many conversations going on at once. The cell operators couldn't care less that it makes the bottom of the band unusable for me ! -- 73s Best Regards: Baron. |
The noise you are hearing from the electric meter is probably the automatic reporting system, be it RF - where the meter reader either needs to get close for a electronic hand held device to read it, or a radio / computer inside of the truck reads it, or it puts a signal into the line which is read back at the substation.
The RF you are getting off your cell phone type devices is Digital RF. 3G or 4G phones has a continuous stream of information going to and from the tower. That is how you get your phone calls and text messages and information off the internet. Basically the bottom line is - new hams has a serious problem today and that is that there is no network of Elmers to teach new hams anything. Most people passes the 35 question, multiple guess test and they get their license and then the clubs leave them out to hang. People by nature, aren't very bright, and they do not understand how communication works, especially the broadcasting part and radio waves. Hence after they get their license, they look for the cheapest option to get on the air the fastest, which usually involves some type of handheld radio. A handheld radio, by design, is designed to be used for things like civic events, club functions and two way communications between hams, with a occasional use into a local repeater. A handheld radio was never designed to be used as a primary type device for communications, nor does it have much range with it's rubber duckie antenna, especially indoors. The goal in communications is to get the antenna above the noise level inside of the house, which requires a good outdoors antenna. The problem is - the handheld radio is most efficient when using a rubber duckie antenna - due to the fact that there is very little loss between the BNC connector and the antenna when you do not have any coax between. Basically you have found out what it takes some people years to understand, that is that a handheld radio is no good for primary communications, if you want to call yourself a ham radio operator. You have several basic options - You could buy a mobile 40 - 50 watt radio and a power supply and a outdoors antenna and share the radio between the mobile and the base station. You could buy a dedicated base station radio. You could study and get your General Class license, which would justify spending even more money on a more complex UHF / VHF / HF radio such as a 706 Mark II G or a 849D...... Which would do all the bands - both mobile and in the shack. Or you could invest in some really good coax and some type of repeater antenna such as a Diamond or Comet and put the antenna outdoors and as high up as you can get it above the roof. Which in my personal opinion isn't the best option because the antenna and or coax will cost more then the radio, depending on how many feet of coax you need and how much you will have to invest to buy pipe and a mount and ground wire, clamps and a stake. Welcome to Amateur Radio! |
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Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz.
This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement, meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to which then dogs pick up just higher, RF ?? What a broad statement. So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems about fair for a 12v. "Baron" wrote in message ... Helmut Wabnig Inscribed thus: On Sun, 8 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, " Tuuk" wrote: Hi I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 The effects you describe are normal, nothing paranormal involved, no Aliens, no brain control and no health danger. Every radio does buzz and crackle when brought into electromagnetic dirt. w. FWIW I have a cell tower about 100ft away with an 'if' at 144.000Mhz and can hear what are probably many conversations going on at once. The cell operators couldn't care less that it makes the bottom of the band unusable for me ! -- 73s Best Regards: Baron. |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say: Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz. This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement, meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to which then dogs pick up just higher, RF ?? What a broad statement. How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing the difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy? So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems about fair for a 12v. Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your head. |
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On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, Tuuk wrote:
Hi I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 As long as you don't put your ham station next to your Smartmeter, you'll be OK. If you get the battery from a Vertec industrial supplier it's cheaper than from a ham radio supplier, so I'm told. Please let us know, thanks. |
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 05:56:57 +0000, david wrote:
On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to say: Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz. This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement, meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to which then dogs pick up just higher, RF ?? What a broad statement. How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing the difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy? So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems about fair for a 12v. Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your head. The OP had a healthy sense of humor, which sailed over your head, dave. kd6il |
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Yes, Thanks for the info
Yes, rocks do emit radiation, especially if they come out of the deep ground. As a matter of fact, at our international boarders, when there is a truck load shippment of granite countertops coming through, their x-ray machines cannot scan those trucks because of that natural radiation coming from those rocks so contrar to what you may believe, rocks do emit radiation. The smart meters do emit a massive amout of RF now that I have learned and it is a big problem in some states like California where groups are now rising against it. Because of it. While today we micro manage our health in so many ways, I like to refine where I can. Yes, I know some old hams who worked next to 2kw linear amps their whole life, nothing wrong with them, however I am curious to learn. "dave" wrote in message m... On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 09:15:25 -0500, Tuuk wrote: Hi I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 As long as you don't put your ham station next to your Smartmeter, you'll be OK. If you get the battery from a Vertec industrial supplier it's cheaper than from a ham radio supplier, so I'm told. Please let us know, thanks. |
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Hi David
I wasn't really asking about acoustic energy, I was asking about RF energy, frequency, radio frequency. Not sure where you came up with your assumption. Of course I asked the question, which means I didn't know. I hope you are not a teacher, I would be an angry taxpayer in your community. "david" wrote in message ... On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to say: Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz. This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement, meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to which then dogs pick up just higher, RF ?? What a broad statement. How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing the difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy? So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems about fair for a 12v. Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your head. |
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When the batteries goes dead, people gets new phones, doesn't replace the batteries, and at some point, the batteries are probably not produced anymore - hence the phones are rendered unusable. The phones operate on a band somewhere between 869 and 913 MHz. 4 G towers do not even use a fiber optic link anymore, because it is too slow. There is a antenna on top of the tower which sends the signal directly to a satellite in the sky. So I would have to wonder what kind of tower you live beside? What is radiating the analog signal, and at that harmonic. When the signals were analog, I could listen to them with a old Bearcat scanner by listening below the cell frequency to the 1st or 2nd harmonic which was slightly below the cell towers frequency, but it was one conversation at a time on a specific frequency. |
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On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 08:41:32 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say: Hi David I wasn't really asking about acoustic energy, I was asking about RF energy, frequency, radio frequency. Not sure where you came up with your assumption. I got it from you: So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to which then dogs pick up just higher, Voice = acoustic. Of course I asked the question, which means I didn't know. I hope you are not a teacher, I would be an angry taxpayer in your community. Perhaps you should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your money back then. "david" wrote in message ... On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to say: Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz. This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement, meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to which then dogs pick up just higher, RF ?? What a broad statement. How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing the difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy? So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems about fair for a 12v. Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your head. |
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David
Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a certificate? I have. Enough said there because your childish mud flinging means nothing. I asked a question, means I wanted to learn somethings, and this group has a lot of knowledge in it and is a wonderful resource. I guess my next question is how to block out the trolls, the wanna bees. I reiterate my statement, I hope you are not a teacher, very poor teaching skills. I can almost predict with great certainty that you are not a teacher. None of your advice or comments were constructive, or informatonal or helpful. None. I wouldn't even want you as an employee, with that negative do nothing, add no value attitude, wow, I wouldn't even want to work beside you. However, without knowing you I can estimate you have more knowledge about electrons, protons, rayons and electronic circuitry than I do. I will give you that David, however I can bet you dollar to donut that my list of credentials is far longer than yours, so while I may be more versed in a wider range of knowledge, yours is specific to your hobby. Or maybe a profession for you, obviously you are completely knowledgable about electronics. Completely. Not me, I have a base knowledge of electronics, enough to keep me happy and do what I want to do with electronics like building my own antennas and so forth, just the basics. I would need help to repair a rig if it fried. Unless is was an older rig, then I could probably repair, but I am sure you could repair even the latest advancements in our technological world. I haven't paid anyone to teach me about RF, so no need to "go back and get my money back" so your insults at my teachers holds no water. Not sure why you would even say such a thing. I mean I asked a question about RF and you answered by saying "Perhaps you should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your money back then". See, I can parse you also. That is why I said, "I hope you are not a teacher, I would be a upset taxpayer in that community". Because if you are a teacher and the student asks you a question, lol,,, o my,,, Are you the ham who complained about me fixing my own furnace not long ago? While I don't have a certificate there either however 10 years ago I installed it myself, now I needing to replace or fix some parts, but you said "Hire a qualified, certified technician". So I did, paid him to diagnose the problem, he said it was the fan relay board, I bought a new board from a friend, replaced it and exact problem remained. Turned out to be the reset button on the high temperature limit switch control. I didn't know there was a reset button and your qualified certified technician didn't know it also. Are you the same chap who said to me that rocks don't emit radiaton? Well in fact they do, they do so much to a degree that it is a well known fact, while I am not sure if it is gamma, alpha, etc etc or what, but I know they do. Because you said " Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your head."" That is what you said David, and you were wrong, because all rocks coming out of the ground do emit certain forms of radiation, I recommend you google that. There you go David, you are not as smart as you set yourself out to be. Anyway, great group here, lots of knowledge of wide range of knowledge and I will certainly ask future questions of this group, lots of knowledge here and most appreciate all the help I have received, as I am simply interested in learning, love learning, love learning new things and doing things myself. In the future David, if you see my post, asking a question that you have a wealth of knowledge, instead of trying to make me look even dumber, or trying to make you look even so much smarter than me, just ignore my post. I suppose the proper thing to do is to add you to some kind of a filter on this newsgroup, I suppose I could filter you out because I don't believe you have added any value to any of my question, only critical of my level of knowledge and critical of my teachers. So David, just ignore post made by me if you don't mind. I have never filtered out people yet on here, I don't filter out those smut slut advertisements, I just ignore them, I suppose I could if I had to filter out both David and the Smut and Slut Advertisments, but would rather you just ignore them. I suppose I could ignore your post also David, your post have never, ever added any value that I have seen, so I suppose I should just ignore them. I wont be trapped into any more of your mud flinging games, I suppose it is just a bait and trap for you David. But good luck with your wealth of knowledge, I hope you use it in a good way. Thanks again all for your answering my questions, truly appreciate it. 73 "david" wrote in message ... On Mon, 09 Jan 2012 08:41:32 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to say: Hi David I wasn't really asking about acoustic energy, I was asking about RF energy, frequency, radio frequency. Not sure where you came up with your assumption. I got it from you: So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to which then dogs pick up just higher, Voice = acoustic. Of course I asked the question, which means I didn't know. I hope you are not a teacher, I would be an angry taxpayer in your community. Perhaps you should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your money back then. "david" wrote in message ... On Sun, 08 Jan 2012 20:26:50 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to say: Radio Frequency, a electro magnetic field from 3khz to 300ghz. This RF is a specific freq? RF could just be a general statement, meaning anything RF. So if your voice is about 10000 to 20,000 hz to which then dogs pick up just higher, RF ?? What a broad statement. How were you able to obtain an amateur radio license without knowing the difference between acoustic energy and electromagnetic energy? So what about the batteries? Anyone got success or bad luck with a online dealer? I see them on ebay for about 40 bucks, shipped, seems about fair for a 12v. Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your head. |
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On 11/01/2012 14:55, Tuuk wrote:
David Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a certificate? I have. Enough said there because your childish mud flinging means nothing. I asked a question, means I wanted to learn somethings, and this group has a lot of knowledge in it and is a wonderful resource. I guess my next question is how to block out the trolls, the wanna bees. I reiterate my statement, I hope you are not a teacher, very poor teaching skills. I can almost predict with great certainty that you are not a teacher. None of your advice or comments were constructive, or informatonal or helpful. None. I wouldn't even want you as an employee, with that negative do nothing, add no value attitude, wow, I wouldn't even want to work beside you. However, without knowing you I can estimate you have more knowledge about electrons, protons, rayons and electronic circuitry than I do. I will give you that David, however I can bet you dollar to donut that my list of credentials is far longer than yours, so while I may be more versed in a wider range of knowledge, yours is specific to your hobby. Or maybe a profession for you, obviously you are completely knowledgable about electronics. Completely. Not me, I have a base knowledge of electronics, enough to keep me happy and do what I want to do with electronics like building my own antennas and so forth, just the basics. I would need help to repair a rig if it fried. Unless is was an older rig, then I could probably repair, but I am sure you could repair even the latest advancements in our technological world. I haven't paid anyone to teach me about RF, so no need to "go back and get my money back" so your insults at my teachers holds no water. Not sure why you would even say such a thing. I mean I asked a question about RF and you answered by saying "Perhaps you should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your money back then". See, I can parse you also. That is why I said, "I hope you are not a teacher, I would be a upset taxpayer in that community". Because if you are a teacher and the student asks you a question, lol,,, o my,,, Are you the ham who complained about me fixing my own furnace not long ago? While I don't have a certificate there either however 10 years ago I installed it myself, now I needing to replace or fix some parts, but you said "Hire a qualified, certified technician". So I did, paid him to diagnose the problem, he said it was the fan relay board, I bought a new board from a friend, replaced it and exact problem remained. Turned out to be the reset button on the high temperature limit switch control. I didn't know there was a reset button and your qualified certified technician didn't know it also. Are you the same chap who said to me that rocks don't emit radiaton? Well in fact they do, they do so much to a degree that it is a well known fact, while I am not sure if it is gamma, alpha, etc etc or what, but I know they do. Because you said " Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your head."" That is what you said David, and you were wrong, because all rocks coming out of the ground do emit certain forms of radiation, I recommend you google that. There you go David, you are not as smart as you set yourself out to be. Anyway, great group here, lots of knowledge of wide range of knowledge and I will certainly ask future questions of this group, lots of knowledge here and most appreciate all the help I have received, as I am simply interested in learning, love learning, love learning new things and doing things myself. In the future David, if you see my post, asking a question that you have a wealth of knowledge, instead of trying to make me look even dumber, or trying to make you look even so much smarter than me, just ignore my post. I suppose the proper thing to do is to add you to some kind of a filter on this newsgroup, I suppose I could filter you out because I don't believe you have added any value to any of my question, only critical of my level of knowledge and critical of my teachers. So David, just ignore post made by me if you don't mind. I have never filtered out people yet on here, I don't filter out those smut slut advertisements, I just ignore them, I suppose I could if I had to filter out both David and the Smut and Slut Advertisments, but would rather you just ignore them. I suppose I could ignore your post also David, your post have never, ever added any value that I have seen, so I suppose I should just ignore them. I wont be trapped into any more of your mud flinging games, I suppose it is just a bait and trap for you David. But good luck with your wealth of knowledge, I hope you use it in a good way. Thanks again all for your answering my questions, truly appreciate it. 73 My god, what arrogance! Perhaps you should go back and re-read your initial post; it was totally incoherent and laughable, and you now have the temerity to criticise people who comment on that. What are 'rayons' by the way; more modern nylons? Jeff |
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Hi Jeff
Thanks for the flowers. I guess you also are another add on to some kind of a kill file filter list. I am going to have to learn about how to filter out what you don't want and leave open what I do want. Why would posters want to come back with negative mud flinging when someone obviously hasn't the knowledge and so asks a question. Did I say that properly Jeff? Did you understand it? Was it coherent or laughable? Just because some of you people have more knowledge in something than I, and then when someone asks you a question about that topic, you feel the need to enforce that fact that you do have more knowledge in that topic I asked about. Then you rub it in, and grind the student (or one asking the question). Just because it is so obvious to you, after your years learning the topic in whatever school and you are well versed in the topic, wow, that gives you the right to hammer down on someone who hasn't the level of knowledge in that topic. You think because you are confident in a topic that only an ignorant person would ask about that topic, so you must enforce that fact that the person is ignorant in that topic. Did I say that properly Jeff? Did you understand it? Was it coherent or laughable? lol,,, Wow, what happened to the Hams I know? I been around for a while and know many many awsome hams, great people, and a lot of the most intelligent people I know. I guess just like the education system, when you lower the bar, this is what you get. The Jeffs, The Davids, the Einstiens who are smarter than everyone. lol,,, Did I say that properly Jeff? Did you understand it? Was it coherent or laughable? Come on Jeff, back to you, Your first post there was pretty dramatic, pretty theatrical, but had nothing, I repeat, nothing to do with my question. Why respond to my question when your answer had nothing to do with the question? Did I say that properly Jeff? Did you understand it? Was it coherent or laughable?? lol,,, Come on Jeff,, you are just baiting me now, nobody can be that ignorant. Nobody. Anyway, I will learn how to use my filter on this News group,,, it seems there are a few trouble makers within the masses. Please from now on, when I ask a question, and I will, about something you are professor of world knowledge on that topic, 1st in your class, top of the crop, world master in the topic, please don't bash me because I am not knowledgable about that topic. THAT IS WHY I ASKED!!!! I hope you Jeff and David are not teachers, otherwise I would be an upset taxpayer in your community. Anyway, ya, I will just filter out the riff raff because when I ask a question from this group, off topic or otherwise, I am thankful for all the intellegent responses. Most thankful. I guess you get some bad with the good. But don't criticize me because I don't have the same level of knowledge as yourself on a certain topic, that is why I asked. And please forgive all your students who don't have the same level of knowledge as yourself (if you are a teacher). I hope you are not actually, but some advice from a life time learner, don't bash your students just because they came to you to learn, that is unprofessional. And Jeff, you asked what a Rayon was, it is an improved version of certain fibers, like a silk, or man made fiber. I am not sure if it is used for nylons. Maybe. Anyway, thanks for responding, thanks for coming out. 73 "Jeff" wrote in message ... On 11/01/2012 14:55, Tuuk wrote: David Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a certificate? I have. Enough said there because your childish mud flinging means nothing. I asked a question, means I wanted to learn somethings, and this group has a lot of knowledge in it and is a wonderful resource. I guess my next question is how to block out the trolls, the wanna bees. I reiterate my statement, I hope you are not a teacher, very poor teaching skills. I can almost predict with great certainty that you are not a teacher. None of your advice or comments were constructive, or informatonal or helpful. None. I wouldn't even want you as an employee, with that negative do nothing, add no value attitude, wow, I wouldn't even want to work beside you. However, without knowing you I can estimate you have more knowledge about electrons, protons, rayons and electronic circuitry than I do. I will give you that David, however I can bet you dollar to donut that my list of credentials is far longer than yours, so while I may be more versed in a wider range of knowledge, yours is specific to your hobby. Or maybe a profession for you, obviously you are completely knowledgable about electronics. Completely. Not me, I have a base knowledge of electronics, enough to keep me happy and do what I want to do with electronics like building my own antennas and so forth, just the basics. I would need help to repair a rig if it fried. Unless is was an older rig, then I could probably repair, but I am sure you could repair even the latest advancements in our technological world. I haven't paid anyone to teach me about RF, so no need to "go back and get my money back" so your insults at my teachers holds no water. Not sure why you would even say such a thing. I mean I asked a question about RF and you answered by saying "Perhaps you should go back to whoever taught you about RF and get your money back then". See, I can parse you also. That is why I said, "I hope you are not a teacher, I would be a upset taxpayer in that community". Because if you are a teacher and the student asks you a question, lol,,, o my,,, Are you the ham who complained about me fixing my own furnace not long ago? While I don't have a certificate there either however 10 years ago I installed it myself, now I needing to replace or fix some parts, but you said "Hire a qualified, certified technician". So I did, paid him to diagnose the problem, he said it was the fan relay board, I bought a new board from a friend, replaced it and exact problem remained. Turned out to be the reset button on the high temperature limit switch control. I didn't know there was a reset button and your qualified certified technician didn't know it also. Are you the same chap who said to me that rocks don't emit radiaton? Well in fact they do, they do so much to a degree that it is a well known fact, while I am not sure if it is gamma, alpha, etc etc or what, but I know they do. Because you said " Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your head."" That is what you said David, and you were wrong, because all rocks coming out of the ground do emit certain forms of radiation, I recommend you google that. There you go David, you are not as smart as you set yourself out to be. Anyway, great group here, lots of knowledge of wide range of knowledge and I will certainly ask future questions of this group, lots of knowledge here and most appreciate all the help I have received, as I am simply interested in learning, love learning, love learning new things and doing things myself. In the future David, if you see my post, asking a question that you have a wealth of knowledge, instead of trying to make me look even dumber, or trying to make you look even so much smarter than me, just ignore my post. I suppose the proper thing to do is to add you to some kind of a filter on this newsgroup, I suppose I could filter you out because I don't believe you have added any value to any of my question, only critical of my level of knowledge and critical of my teachers. So David, just ignore post made by me if you don't mind. I have never filtered out people yet on here, I don't filter out those smut slut advertisements, I just ignore them, I suppose I could if I had to filter out both David and the Smut and Slut Advertisments, but would rather you just ignore them. I suppose I could ignore your post also David, your post have never, ever added any value that I have seen, so I suppose I should just ignore them. I wont be trapped into any more of your mud flinging games, I suppose it is just a bait and trap for you David. But good luck with your wealth of knowledge, I hope you use it in a good way. Thanks again all for your answering my questions, truly appreciate it. 73 My god, what arrogance! Perhaps you should go back and re-read your initial post; it was totally incoherent and laughable, and you now have the temerity to criticise people who comment on that. What are 'rayons' by the way; more modern nylons? Jeff |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:55:41 -0500, " Tuuk" wrote:
Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a certificate? I have. Out if curiosity, what's your call? I must have missed it in your previous posts. |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:07:14 -0500, George questioned:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:55:41 -0500, " Tuuk" wrote: Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a certificate? I have. Out if curiosity, what's your call? I must have missed it in your previous posts. He doesn't have one. He claims to be licensed, but it's obvious he isn't. Just read what he writes above, and in his other posts. There is no way this guy is licensed. |
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On 1/11/2012 4:07 PM, Big John wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:07:14 -0500, George questioned: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:55:41 -0500, " wrote: Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a certificate? I have. Out if curiosity, what's your call? I must have missed it in your previous posts. He doesn't have one. He claims to be licensed, but it's obvious he isn't. Just read what he writes above, and in his other posts. There is no way this guy is licensed. Why do you think George asked him? Get a clue. |
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On 1/11/2012 4:07 PM, Big John wrote:
On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:07:14 -0500, George questioned: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:55:41 -0500, " wrote: Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a certificate? I have. Out if curiosity, what's your call? I must have missed it in your previous posts. He doesn't have one. He claims to be licensed, but it's obvious he isn't. Just read what he writes above, and in his other posts. There is no way this guy is licensed. What's yours? |
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Are you kidding me?
Why would I ask about batteries for my FT530 ? Duh!!!! I know, I know, I do use it for communication with my boat from land, I do enjoy using it for marine band use also. Why would I ask a question about clamping my satelite dish onto my self supporting tower? I was curioius about gnding there as it isn't actually yet. Why would I ask a question about my Sauna after I built it? I mean only a Ham would design, build their own sauna. Why would I ask a question about my furnace? I mean only a Ham would completely install their own high efficient furnace. Why would I have been a long time lerker in this news group? Are you sure you are a ham? I mean if you are simply a 2m appliance operator simply always talking about their ailments, well that is my best guess. But you know, I don't actually believe you are a licennsed ham. Maybe a novice, or beginner, or CBer. Ya, I think you are a CBer. Seems your style. To the chap who said about me "He doesn't have one, he claims to be licensed, but it's obvious he isn't. There is NO WAY this guy is licensed" To this chap, would you care to put your money where your mouth is? Be a man, or I bet you are one of those CBers who hangs around on Channel 19 badmouthing the truckers. So, do you care to or not? Nuff said., I didn't think you would, but I am willing to put up say,,,, 1g ,,,, hmmmmm , I didn't think so,,,,, anyway, you guys are just baiting me, you are poking sticks at me and hiding in the comfort behind your microphone,,, typical CBer tactic. Na,,, not my style. What did they call you guys on the CB again,,, I forget,,, were you CB Heros? Jeff and David,, lol,,, Breaker Breaker 19,,, any truckers out there? ,,,, lol,,,, Ya, I know you are baiting and playing with me now,,, It is ok boys,,, but really, get your licenses,, the ham bands are much more interesting than the CB bands. But if that is your level then good for you and be the best you can be. 73 "Big John" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:07:14 -0500, George questioned: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:55:41 -0500, " Tuuk" wrote: Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a certificate? I have. Out if curiosity, what's your call? I must have missed it in your previous posts. He doesn't have one. He claims to be licensed, but it's obvious he isn't. Just read what he writes above, and in his other posts. There is no way this guy is licensed. |
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On 1/11/2012 5:58 PM, Tuuk wrote:
Are you kidding me? Why would I ask about batteries for my FT530 ? Duh!!!! I know, I know, I do use it for communication with my boat from land, I do enjoy using it for marine band use also. Why would I ask a question about clamping my satelite dish onto my self supporting tower? I was curioius about gnding there as it isn't actually yet. Why would I ask a question about my Sauna after I built it? I mean only a Ham would design, build their own sauna. Why would I ask a question about my furnace? I mean only a Ham would completely install their own high efficient furnace. Why would I have been a long time lerker in this news group? Are you sure you are a ham? I mean if you are simply a 2m appliance operator simply always talking about their ailments, well that is my best guess. But you know, I don't actually believe you are a licennsed ham. Maybe a novice, or beginner, or CBer. Ya, I think you are a CBer. Seems your style. To the chap who said about me "He doesn't have one, he claims to be licensed, but it's obvious he isn't. There is NO WAY this guy is licensed" To this chap, would you care to put your money where your mouth is? Be a man, or I bet you are one of those CBers who hangs around on Channel 19 badmouthing the truckers. So, do you care to or not? Nuff said., I didn't think you would, but I am willing to put up say,,,, 1g ,,,, hmmmmm , I didn't think so,,,,, anyway, you guys are just baiting me, you are poking sticks at me and hiding in the comfort behind your microphone,,, typical CBer tactic. Na,,, not my style. What did they call you guys on the CB again,,, I forget,,, were you CB Heros? Jeff and David,, lol,,, Breaker Breaker 19,,, any truckers out there? ,,,, lol,,,, Ya, I know you are baiting and playing with me now,,, It is ok boys,,, but really, get your licenses,, the ham bands are much more interesting than the CB bands. But if that is your level then good for you and be the best you can be. 73 "Big John" wrote in message ... On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 16:07:14 -0500, George questioned: On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:55:41 -0500, " Tuuk" wrote: Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? I mean have you written the examinations held by an accredited outfit worthy of providing you with a certificate? I have. Out if curiosity, what's your call? I must have missed it in your previous posts. He doesn't have one. He claims to be licensed, but it's obvious he isn't. Just read what he writes above, and in his other posts. There is no way this guy is licensed. Please, nobody answer this idiot! |
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Hi again,
I am sorry for stirring up a hornets nest here, I didn't expect some of the negative comments, maybe I will try answering my own question through google, Do rocks give off radiaton, Certainly they do, to whoever it was who suggested I was ignorant or should not work with batteries because I asked the question, I wanted to know the type of radiation, level of harm, especially on my sauna rocks, well the answer is yes. http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_rocks_give_off_radiation http://www.epa.gov/radiation/radionuclides/radium.html http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gamma_ray_logging http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Do_rocks_give_off_radiation http://www.furryelephant.com/content...und-radiation/ http://www-formal.stanford.edu/jmc/p...radiation.html Second part of my own question was about my new smart meter they put on my home. My FT530 goes off the chart when I am near it, I asked why and if the radiation or RF from there was serious. I will answer my own question through google. Yes, Smart meters give off a lot of radiation and it is serious. http://www.electricalpollution.com/smartmeters.html http://electricsense.com/2225/smart-...you-must-know/ http://www.youaretheanswer.ca/radiat...s/smartmeters/ But basically sometimes some of you give a wonderful rant on the topic, I enjoy very much from a Hams point of view. Very logical, very interesting, usually right on and usually intelligent. And usually accurate. So I asked the question Why some fling the mud? Maybe you just wanna argue or rag chew or whatever, but the Hams I always knew were most eager to help, most eager to share their knowledge on the topic, and I still know a lot who are like this. I still would like to hear some Ham's opinion on these topics, there is no geological newsgroup that is active, already tried, so those chunks of beautiful granite I have on my sauna heater came from deep below the earth's surface in Northern Ontario and my 530 does show activitiy when near them, not near as much as the smart meter, I know it is sensitive. And I know it is small amounts of RF, so just curious 73 " Tuuk" wrote in message ... Hi I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 |
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On Wed, 11 Jan 2012 09:55:41 -0500, Tuuk rearranged some electrons to
say: David Are you a licenced Ham Radio operator? In fact I took all three tests in the same day, and didn't miss any questions on the extra exam. I asked a question, means I wanted to learn somethings, and this group has a lot of knowledge in it and is a wonderful resource. I guess my next question is how to block out the trolls, the wanna bees. I reiterate my statement, I hope you are not a teacher, very poor teaching skills. I can almost predict with great certainty that you are not a teacher. None of your advice or comments were constructive, or informatonal or helpful. None. And you have very poor listening and language skills. I wouldn't even want to work beside you. I can assure you that will never happen. I would never hire someone like you. However, without knowing you I can estimate you have more knowledge about electrons, protons, rayons and electronic circuitry than I do. That is a correct estimation. I will give you that David, however I can bet you dollar to donut that my list of credentials is far longer than yours, Sure, I'll take that bet. Let's see the list. I haven't paid anyone to teach me about RF That's obvious. Are you the ham who complained about me fixing my own furnace not long ago? I guess you'll have to learn how to use Google to find the answer to that question. Are you the same chap who said to me that rocks don't emit radiaton? You need to go back and read my post. That isn't what I said at all. Someone who has this much difficulty with reading comprehension shouldn't be posting on Usenet. trying to make me look even dumber You don't need my help with that, you're doing a fine job. |
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On 1/11/2012 8:55 AM, Tuuk wrote:
David snip Are you the same chap who said to me that rocks don't emit radiaton? Well in fact they do, they do so much to a degree that it is a well known fact, while I am not sure if it is gamma, alpha, etc etc or what, but I know they do. Because you said " Anyone who thinks he's picking up radiation from rocks on his HT probably shouldn't be messing around with batteries, it might be a bit over your head."" That is what you said David, and you were wrong, because all rocks coming out of the ground do emit certain forms of radiation, I recommend you google that. There you go David, you are not as smart as you set yourself out to be. As all EME operators know, ok not most of the new digital only types, dirt and rocks emit PLENTY of RF. So much that EME array design takes it into account. On 432 and up it is a major problem. No, an HT won't notice, but a barely halfway decent noise figure receiver on 432 will. tom K0TAR |
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On 1/12/2012 6:23 PM, tom wrote:
On 1/11/2012 8:55 AM, Tuuk wrote: As all EME operators know, ok not most of the new digital only types, dirt and rocks emit PLENTY of RF. So much that EME array design takes it into account. On 432 and up it is a major problem. No, an HT won't notice, but a barely halfway decent noise figure receiver on 432 will. tom K0TAR I did neglect to mention that Tukster reminds me of 2 someones who've been missing from here for a while. Both of whom always managed to prove that they really should stay on their meds. Don't leave us Tukster, we've needed some laughs for a while. tom K0TAR |
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On 1/12/2012 6:34 PM, tom wrote:
On 1/12/2012 6:23 PM, tom wrote: On 1/11/2012 8:55 AM, Tuuk wrote: As all EME operators know, ok not most of the new digital only types, dirt and rocks emit PLENTY of RF. So much that EME array design takes it into account. On 432 and up it is a major problem. No, an HT won't notice, but a barely halfway decent noise figure receiver on 432 will. tom K0TAR I did neglect to mention that Tukster reminds me of 2 someones who've been missing from here for a while. Both of whom always managed to prove that they really should stay on their meds. Don't leave us Tukster, we've needed some laughs for a while. tom K0TAR Someone needs to point out that you can't take all rocks for granite. snicker |
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I wonder if these people need my Yaesu HT to solve the problem???
http://www.thestar.com/news/article/...n-nothing?bn=1 " Tuuk" wrote in message ... Hi I have the Yaesu FT530 handheld two meter and 70cm with battery. The unit is very sensitive. For example, when ever I hold the unit near some devices such as my smart meter, all frequencies show receiving massive amounts of fuzz. When I hold near my phone (Northern Telecom phone with many lines and displays) it also shows full strength noise. Holding too close to the TV also, but other areas away from these things nothing. What is this unit receiving that would cause it to go useless? Is it measuring radiation? IMF? RF? Gama? Alpha? Sigma? Cilium? Iodine? EMF? When I put it near the granit rocks on my sauna heater it shows a small reading of something, I heard there is radiation in rocks. Any ideas what the interference is that I am picking up? It is an older unit I know, are the newer ones this sensitive to area noise? Any ideas what this is receiving from these devices or appliances that is making me curious? Thanks again hams for any advice,,, 73 |
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