Electron gun
 

Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png

"In April 1887, Tesla began investigating what would later be called X-rays
" We now know that this device operated by emitting electrons from the
single electrode through a combination of field electron emission and
thermionic emission. Once liberated, electrons are strongly repelled by the
high electric field near the electrode during negative voltage peaks from
the oscillating HV output of the Tesla Coil, generating X rays as they
collide with the glass envelope. " From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nikola_Tesla

So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.
But where the electrons come from?
From: "the earth"?
S*

Electron gun
 

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:28:43 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png

"In April 1887, Tesla began investigating what would later be called X-rays
" We now know that this device operated by emitting electrons from the
single electrode through a combination of field electron emission and
thermionic emission. Once liberated, electrons are strongly repelled by the
high electric field near the electrode during negative voltage peaks from
the oscillating HV output of the Tesla Coil, generating X rays as they
collide with the glass envelope. " From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nikola_Tesla

So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.
But where the electrons come from?
From: "the earth"?
S*

Who is "we"?

w.

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png

"In April 1887, Tesla began investigating what would later be called X-rays
" We now know that this device operated by emitting electrons from the
single electrode through a combination of field electron emission and
thermionic emission. Once liberated, electrons are strongly repelled by the
high electric field near the electrode during negative voltage peaks from
the oscillating HV output of the Tesla Coil, generating X rays as they
collide with the glass envelope. " From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nikola_Tesla

So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.

No, they are not in general.

That is total nonsense.

But where the electrons come from?

They don't come from anywhere because it is not happening.

You are confusing the specific operation of a Tesla coil with radio in
general.

You are a babbling idiot.

Electron gun
 

"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...

Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png
snip
So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.
But where the electrons come from?
From: "the earth"?
S*

So I suppose we should develop some antennas that have a current maximum at
the end of the antenna?

Electron gun
 

I wworked for 6 momths for a company that manufactured thin-film optical
filters.

The glass pieces were placed ina vacuum chamber. along with the
crucible(s) with the coating material(s).

Once the chamber was evacuated an electron beam was used to heat the
coating materials, which usually sublimed and were directed magneticaly
to the glass.

I still have one of the electron guns (filament burned out). It looks
like an oversized tube with an open ended glass tube on one side where
the beam was directed out.

--
"Peace is that brief moment is history when everybody stands around
reloading,"--

Rev. Skip Heitzig

Electron gun
 

napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png

"In April 1887, Tesla began investigating what would later be called
X-rays
" We now know that this device operated by emitting electrons from the
single electrode through a combination of field electron emission and
thermionic emission. Once liberated, electrons are strongly repelled by
the
high electric field near the electrode during negative voltage peaks from
the oscillating HV output of the Tesla Coil, generating X rays as they
collide with the glass envelope. " From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nikola_Tesla

So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.

No, they are not in general.

That is total nonsense.

But where the electrons come from?

They don't come from anywhere because it is not happening.

You are confusing the specific operation of a Tesla coil with radio in
general.

So "we" know from you that todays antennas do not liberate even one
electron.

Antennas liberate the EM waves and the electrons as a by product.
Do you support this?
S*

Electron gun
 

"Wayne" napisal w wiadomosci
...


"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...

Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png
snip
So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.
But where the electrons come from?
From: "the earth"?
S*

So I suppose we should develop some antennas that have a current maximum
at the end of the antenna?

Antennas liberated the EM waves and the electrons.
More electrons is liberated more electrons is flowing in the antenna.

EM travel in space. Electrons fall down on the earth.
For this reason the earth is necessary.
Do you agree?
S*

Electron gun
 

"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...


"Wayne" napisal w wiadomosci
...


"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...

Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png
snip
So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.
But where the electrons come from?
From: "the earth"?
S*

So I suppose we should develop some antennas that have a current maximum
at the end of the antenna?

# Antennas liberated the EM waves and the electrons.
# More electrons is liberated more electrons is flowing in the antenna.
#
# EM travel in space. Electrons fall down on the earth.
# For this reason the earth is necessary.
# Do you agree?
# S*

No. There is a current minimum at the end of an antenna because there is no
place for electrons to flow.

Electron gun
 

Uzytkownik "Helmut Wabnig" [email protected] --- -.dotat napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 18:28:43 +0200, "Szczepan Bialek"
wrote:

Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png

"In April 1887, Tesla began investigating what would later be called
X-rays
" We now know that this device operated by emitting electrons from the
single electrode through a combination of field electron emission and
thermionic emission. Once liberated, electrons are strongly repelled by
the
high electric field near the electrode during negative voltage peaks from
the oscillating HV output of the Tesla Coil, generating X rays as they
collide with the glass envelope. " From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nikola_Tesla

So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.
But where the electrons come from?
From: "the earth"?
S*

Who is "we"?

All who know what the "field electron emission" is.

"Introduction.-The main features of t h e phenomenon of the
extraction
of ele&ons from cold metals b y intense electric fields are well
known,"
From:
http://www-project.slac.stanford.edu...ces/fowler.pdf

Each metal with the excess of electrons liberate them.
A transmitter antena liberates radio waves, heat and electrons.

Waves travel in space, heat is dissipated and electrons are taken from the
earth.
S*

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:


All who know what the "field electron emission" is.

"Introduction.-The main features of t h e phenomenon of the
extraction
of ele&ons from cold metals b y intense electric fields are well
known,"
From:
http://www-project.slac.stanford.edu...ces/fowler.pdf

Each metal with the excess of electrons liberate them.
A transmitter antena liberates radio waves, heat and electrons.

Waves travel in space, heat is dissipated and electrons are taken from the
earth.
S*

This is a bunch of babbling, rambling, meaningless, gibberish.

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png

"In April 1887, Tesla began investigating what would later be called
X-rays
" We now know that this device operated by emitting electrons from the
single electrode through a combination of field electron emission and
thermionic emission. Once liberated, electrons are strongly repelled by
the
high electric field near the electrode during negative voltage peaks from
the oscillating HV output of the Tesla Coil, generating X rays as they
collide with the glass envelope. " From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nikola_Tesla

So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.

No, they are not in general.

That is total nonsense.

But where the electrons come from?

They don't come from anywhere because it is not happening.

You are confusing the specific operation of a Tesla coil with radio in
general.

So "we" know from you that todays antennas do not liberate even one
electron.

We, being anyone with any knowledge of electromagnetics, know that
antennas do not liberate or emit any electrons under normal conditions,
either today or any time in history.

If an antenna is emitting electrons, something is arcing, which is NOT
a normal or necessary for radio transmission.

Antennas liberate the EM waves and the electrons as a by product.

No, they do not under normal conditions, now or ever.

Do you support this?

Of course not as it is babbling gibberish.

Tesla was playing with Tesla coils and extremely high voltages which
produced RF energy as a by product.

Producing RF energy through arcs and sparks is a technology that was
abandoned about 100 years ago.

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Antennas liberated the EM waves and the electrons.
More electrons is liberated more electrons is flowing in the antenna.

EM travel in space. Electrons fall down on the earth.
For this reason the earth is necessary.
Do you agree?
S*

All of this is babbling, incorrect, nonsense than just shows once again
you have no clue how anything electric or electromagnetic works.

Electron gun
 

napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Here is the Tesla's electron gun:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Sp_xmtr.png

"In April 1887, Tesla began investigating what would later be called
X-rays
" We now know that this device operated by emitting electrons from the
single electrode through a combination of field electron emission and
thermionic emission. Once liberated, electrons are strongly repelled by
the
high electric field near the electrode during negative voltage peaks
from
the oscillating HV output of the Tesla Coil, generating X rays as they
collide with the glass envelope. " From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Nikola_Tesla

So we know that the electrons are liberated from the end of antenna.


Tesla was playing with Tesla coils and extremely high voltages which
produced RF energy as a by product.

What was the main product?
S*

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...

Tesla was playing with Tesla coils and extremely high voltages which
produced RF energy as a by product.

What was the main product?

High voltages, idiot.

Electron gun
 

napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...

Tesla was playing with Tesla coils and extremely high voltages which
produced RF energy as a by product.

What was the main product?

High voltages, idiot.

Voltage is not product. The splendid, long sparks are.
What the sparks are made of?
S*

Electron gun
 

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On 15/04/2012 09:43, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
Szczepan wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...

Tesla was playing with Tesla coils and extremely high voltages which
produced RF energy as a by product.

What was the main product?

High voltages, idiot.

Voltage is not product. The splendid, long sparks are.
What the sparks are made of?
S*

Ionized air made by the high voltages that Tesla's equipment produced.

Ionized air is rather lazy. What is the other constituent of sparks?
What "made" the ionization?
S*

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...

Tesla was playing with Tesla coils and extremely high voltages which
produced RF energy as a by product.

What was the main product?

High voltages, idiot.

Voltage is not product.

Yes, it is. The purpose of a Tesla coil is to generate high voltages.

The splendid, long sparks are.

Nope, the purpose is the high voltage, the sparks are a by product of a
high voltage.

The RF produced is a by product of the sparks.

What the sparks are made of?
S*

Electrons liberated by the HIGH VOLTAGE, idiot.

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On 15/04/2012 09:43, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...

Tesla was playing with Tesla coils and extremely high voltages which
produced RF energy as a by product.

What was the main product?

High voltages, idiot.

Voltage is not product. The splendid, long sparks are.
What the sparks are made of?
S*

Ionized air made by the high voltages that Tesla's equipment produced.

Ionized air is rather lazy. What is the other constituent of sparks?
What "made" the ionization?
S*

The high voltages produced by the Tesla coil.

Repeat this until it sinks into your thick skull: Tesla coils produce high
voltages.

Repeat this until it sinks into your thick skull: High voltages produce arcs.

Repeat this until it sinks into your thick skull: Arcs produce RF.

Repeat this until it sinks into your thick skull: Using arcs to produce RF
is an obsolete techonology and illegal in most of the world.

Electron gun
 

napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

What the sparks are made of?

Electrons liberated by the HIGH VOLTAGE, idiot.

Is it the field electron emission?
S*

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

What the sparks are made of?

Electrons liberated by the HIGH VOLTAGE, idiot.

Is it the field electron emission?
S*

No.

Read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission

Read all of it.

Then read it again until you understand it.

After you have mastered that, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_discharge

Read all of it.

Then read it again until you understand it.

After you have mastered that, read this:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electric_arc

Read all of it.

Then read it again until you understand it.

If you can get this far, your question has been answered fully.

Electron gun
 

"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...


napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...

Tesla was playing with Tesla coils and extremely high voltages which
produced RF energy as a by product.

What was the main product?

High voltages, idiot.

# Voltage is not product. The splendid, long sparks are.
# What the sparks are made of?
# S*

PLONK ..._._

Electron gun
 

"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...
# Voltage is not product. The splendid, long sparks are.
# What the sparks are made of?
# S*

Good evening Szczepan.

Your question "What the sparks are made of?" was answered in the posting
from jimp @ specsol.spam.sux.com dated 15 April 2012 17:06.

Are you having difficulty reading or understanding the emails send by others
and intended to enlighten and inform you and answer your search for
understanding?

Have you looked at any of the books I mentioned in an earlier posting,
please?

Kindest regards, Ian.

Electron gun
 

"Ian" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...
# Voltage is not product. The splendid, long sparks are.
# What the sparks are made of?
# S*

Good evening Szczepan.

Your question "What the sparks are made of?" was answered in the posting
from jimp @ specsol.spam.sux.com dated 15 April 2012 17:06.

Are you having difficulty reading or understanding the emails send by
others and intended to enlighten and inform you and answer your search for
understanding?

In all answers no clear information if your "black box" have the
earth/chassis/counterpoise.

Have you looked at any of the books I mentioned in an earlier posting,
please?

I know what is in the books. I do not know if your ""black box" have the
earth/chassis/counterpoise."
Best Regards,
S*

Electron gun
 

"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
.. .

In all answers no clear information if your "black box" have the
earth/chassis/counterpoise.

Have you looked at any of the books I mentioned in an earlier posting,
please?

I know what is in the books. I do not know if your ""black box" have the
earth/chassis/counterpoise."
Best Regards,
S*

Good morning Szczepan.

I think we have a language problem here. The answers to your questions ARE
in the books that I mentioned. If these books are not available in your
native language then I can understand your difficulties.

I recommended the amateur radio books because they cater for people who have
no prior knowledge of radio and aerials.I still haven't seen an answer from
you to my question "Are you discussing resonant or non-resonant aerials,
please?".

Kindest regards, Ian.

Electron gun
 

On 4/16/2012 2:56 AM, Ian wrote:


Good morning Szczepan.

I think we have a language problem here. The answers to your questions ARE
in the books that I mentioned. If these books are not available in your
native language then I can understand your difficulties.

I recommended the amateur radio books because they cater for people who have
no prior knowledge of radio and aerials.I still haven't seen an answer from
you to my question "Are you discussing resonant or non-resonant aerials,
please?".

Kindest regards, Ian.



Ian

He is a troll. He has been doing this for almost a year now.

He does not misunderstand English.

tom
K0TAR

Electron gun
 

tom wrote:

snip

He is a troll. He has been doing this for almost a year now.

He has been doing it for many years now.

He does not misunderstand English.

With all his years of posting, one would have expected his English to
have improved over the years; it hasn't.

That alone should be an indicator.

Electron gun
 

In message , tom
writes
On 4/16/2012 2:56 AM, Ian wrote:


Good morning Szczepan.

I think we have a language problem here. The answers to your questions ARE
in the books that I mentioned. If these books are not available in your
native language then I can understand your difficulties.

I recommended the amateur radio books because they cater for people who have
no prior knowledge of radio and aerials.I still haven't seen an answer from
you to my question "Are you discussing resonant or non-resonant aerials,
please?".

Kindest regards, Ian.



Ian

He is a troll. He has been doing this for almost a year now.

He does not misunderstand English.

I think he's the same guy who, for several years, has been posting
similar nonsense in various newsgroups. The script is usually similar,
typically "I have only a very basic knowledge of physics, but I know
that Einstein was completely wrong about his theory of relativity".
--
Ian

Electron gun
 

Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , tom
writes
On 4/16/2012 2:56 AM, Ian wrote:


Good morning Szczepan.

I think we have a language problem here. The answers to your questions ARE
in the books that I mentioned. If these books are not available in your
native language then I can understand your difficulties.

I recommended the amateur radio books because they cater for people who have
no prior knowledge of radio and aerials.I still haven't seen an answer from
you to my question "Are you discussing resonant or non-resonant aerials,
please?".

Kindest regards, Ian.



Ian

He is a troll. He has been doing this for almost a year now.

He does not misunderstand English.

I think he's the same guy who, for several years, has been posting
similar nonsense in various newsgroups. The script is usually similar,
typically "I have only a very basic knowledge of physics, but I know
that Einstein was completely wrong about his theory of relativity".

Well, this one usually goed more like "I read that in 1910 this result
was found in experiments, so everything we learned after that must
be completely wrong"...

Electron gun
 

Uzytkownik "Rob" napisal w wiadomosci
...

Well, this one usually goed more like "I read that in 1910 this result
was found in experiments, so everything we learned after that must
be completely wrong"...

I read that now:

""A further feature of the structure of negative coronas is that as the
electrons drift outwards, they encounter neutral molecules and,
withelectronegative molecules (such as oxygen and water vapor), combine to
produce negative ions. These negative ions are then attracted to the
positive uncurved electrode, completing the 'circuit'.". From: Negative
coronas. Mechanism.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corona_...gative_coronas

""The difference, then, between positive and negative coronas, in the matter
of the generation of secondary electron avalanches, is that in a positive
corona they are generated by the gas surrounding the plasma region, the new
secondary electrons travelling inward, whereas in a negative corona they are
generated by the curved electrode itself, the new secondary electrons
travelling outward."

"in a negative corona the electrons are generated by the curved electrode
itself".

Is the field electron emission from the tip top of antenna or not?

Where you learned that no field electron emission?
S*

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Where you learned that no field electron emission?
S*

We don't operate our antennas in the voltage range where that becomes
a problem, like Tesla did.

So it does not apply to amateur radio antennas.

Electron gun
 

In message , Jeff
writes
On 17/04/2012 04:41, wrote:
wrote:

snip

He is a troll. He has been doing this for almost a year now.

He has been doing it for many years now.

He does not misunderstand English.

With all his years of posting, one would have expected his English to
have improved over the years; it hasn't.

That alone should be an indicator.


I am sure that everyone realises that he is a Troll, but it is fun
watching the ever increasing ludicrousness of his arguments and him not
realising that the Troll is himself being Trolled.

His play-stupidity is indeed extremely inventive. There doesn't seem to
be anything that he can't mis-understand so well.
--
Ian

Electron gun
 

"Jeff" wrote in message
...


I am sure that everyone realises that he is a Troll, but it is fun
watching the ever increasing ludicrousness of his arguments and him not
realising that the Troll is himself being Trolled.

Jeff

Hello Jeff.

I agree. It's nice to see there are some patient and helpful people on this
NG who have tried to help S. I'm speculating on what sort of person he
really is .. then I smile to myself when I see his circular arguments. I
wonder what would happen if we posted items about him but didn't reply to
his postings (similar to the "we're talking about you, not to you"
behaviour".

I'll tell you one thing - the discussion about antennas has been very
interesting so it's made the NG live up to its name.

73, Ian.

Electron gun
 

"Rob" napisal w wiadomosci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Where you learned that no field electron emission?
S*

We don't operate our antennas in the voltage range where that becomes
a problem, like Tesla did.

The field electrons emission take place at each voltage.
S*

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Uzytkownik "Rob" napisal w wiadomosci
...

Well, this one usually goed more like "I read that in 1910 this result
was found in experiments, so everything we learned after that must
be completely wrong"...

I read that now:

And obviously did not understand it.

snip quote

Is the field electron emission from the tip top of antenna or not?

No.

Where you learned that no field electron emission?

Where you learned badder such Englishes?

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisal w wiadomosci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Where you learned that no field electron emission?
S*

We don't operate our antennas in the voltage range where that becomes
a problem, like Tesla did.

The field electrons emission take place at each voltage.

No.

You did not read the material.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission

"Field emission in pure metals occurs in high electric fields: the gradients
are typically higher than 1 gigavolt per metre and strongly dependent upon
the work function."

Do you have any clue what it takes to get a gradient of 1 gigavolt per metre?

Electron gun
 

napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisal w wiadomosci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Where you learned that no field electron emission?
S*

We don't operate our antennas in the voltage range where that becomes
a problem, like Tesla did.

The field electrons emission take place at each voltage.

No.

You did not read the material.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission

"Field emission in pure metals occurs in high electric fields: the
gradients
are typically higher than 1 gigavolt per metre and strongly dependent upon
the work function."

It contradicts to the known phenomenon that each charged body lost its
charge in a short time. AT EACH VOLTAGE.
S*

Electron gun
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisal w wiadomosci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Where you learned that no field electron emission?
S*

We don't operate our antennas in the voltage range where that becomes
a problem, like Tesla did.

The field electrons emission take place at each voltage.

No.

You did not read the material.

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission

"Field emission in pure metals occurs in high electric fields: the
gradients
are typically higher than 1 gigavolt per metre and strongly dependent upon
the work function."

It contradicts to the known phenomenon that each charged body lost its
charge in a short time. AT EACH VOLTAGE.

Pure, nonsensical, gibberish.

You are a babbling idiot.