Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

In 1867 Lorenz wrote: " Ludvig Valentin Lorenz, "On the identity of the
vibrations of light with
electrical currents," Philosophical Magazine, Vol. 34, 1867, p. 287-301"

http://books.google.pl/books?id=caJd...page&q&f=false

On p. 301 he wrote:
"The present general opinion regards light as consisting of backward and
forward motions of particles of aether."
If this were the case the electrical current would be the progressive motion
of the aether in the direction of the electrical current."

In today's words: "Light is the oscillatory flow of electrons".

Light and radio waves are the same.

Are the radio waves the oscillatory flow of electrons?
S*

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 19/04/2012 08:55, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
In 1867 Lorenz wrote: " Ludvig Valentin Lorenz, "On the identity of the
vibrations of light with
electrical currents," Philosophical Magazine, Vol. 34, 1867, p. 287-301"

http://books.google.pl/books?id=caJd...page&q&f=false

On p. 301 he wrote:
"The present general opinion regards light as consisting of backward and
forward motions of particles of aether."
If this were the case the electrical current would be the progressive
motion
of the aether in the direction of the electrical current."

In today's words: "Light is the oscillatory flow of electrons".

Light and radio waves are the same.

Are the radio waves the oscillatory flow of electrons?
S*



The present general opinion *DOES NOT* regards light or *Radio waves* as
consisting of backward and forward motions of particles of aether.

The present general opinion regards the space as "rare plasma" (ions and
electrons).
So Are the radio waves the oscillatory flow of electrons?
S*

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:
In 1867 Lorenz wrote: " Ludvig Valentin Lorenz, "On the identity of the
vibrations of light with
electrical currents," Philosophical Magazine, Vol. 34, 1867, p. 287-301"

http://books.google.pl/books?id=caJd...page&q&f=false

On p. 301 he wrote:
"The present general opinion regards light as consisting of backward and
forward motions of particles of aether."

He was wrong on several counts.

He also died well before Einstein and others came along and got it right.

That's the problem with obsessing over stuff that was written 150 years
ago, a lot of it was found to be wrong.

Lorenz was wrong about the composition of light.

Marconi was wrong about antennas having to be grounded to work.

In today's words: "Light is the oscillatory flow of electrons".

Nope, in todays words light is electromagnetic radiation that is visible
to the human eye.

Light and radio waves are the same.

This is one of the very few true statements you have ever made.

Are the radio waves the oscillatory flow of electrons?

No.

The phrase "oscillatory flow of electrons" is gibberish.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The present general opinion regards the space as "rare plasma" (ions and
electrons).

No, it does not.

So Are the radio waves the oscillatory flow of electrons?

No.

The phrase "oscillatory flow of electrons" is gibberish and you are an idiot.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

On 4/19/2012 12:47 PM, wrote:


Marconi was wrong about antennas having to be grounded to work.

I think that's a good thing. We wouldn't get signals from satellites
otherwise.

Actually, that begs the question "which planet is the real ground"?

John
KD5YI

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

"John S" wrote in message
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On 4/19/2012 12:47 PM, wrote:


Marconi was wrong about antennas having to be grounded to work.

I think that's a good thing. We wouldn't get signals from satellites
otherwise.

Actually, that begs the question "which planet is the real ground"?

John
KD5YI


Reckon we could hang a dipole all the way from the earth to the moon?
What gain would it have and what frequency would it resonate on, I wonder.

73, Ian.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

On 4/19/2012 2:07 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On 4/19/2012 12:47 PM, wrote:


Marconi was wrong about antennas having to be grounded to work.

I think that's a good thing. We wouldn't get signals from satellites
otherwise.

Actually, that begs the question "which planet is the real ground"?

John
KD5YI


Reckon we could hang a dipole all the way from the earth to the moon?

No.

What gain would it have and what frequency would it resonate on, I wonder.

Well, lessee... gain would be the same as any dipole, i.e. about 1.76dBi
not considering resistive losses because you did not specify a conductor
size. Resonant frequency would be ~.372 Hz. This does not include the
"capacitive hats" of the earth and moon.

73, Ian.

Where would "ground" be?

73,
John

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

"John S" wrote in message
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On 4/19/2012 2:07 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On 4/19/2012 12:47 PM, wrote:


Marconi was wrong about antennas having to be grounded to work.

I think that's a good thing. We wouldn't get signals from satellites
otherwise.

Actually, that begs the question "which planet is the real ground"?

John
KD5YI


Reckon we could hang a dipole all the way from the earth to the moon?

No.

What gain would it have and what frequency would it resonate on, I
wonder.

Well, lessee... gain would be the same as any dipole, i.e. about 1.76dBi
not considering resistive losses because you did not specify a conductor
size. Resonant frequency would be ~.372 Hz. This does not include the
"capacitive hats" of the earth and moon.

73, Ian.

Where would "ground" be?

73,
John
John, "ground" is so "last century" along with "dial-up" and "Cathode Ray
Tube in my television".
Forget "ground". Say "planet" instead. Is that better?

73, Ian.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

On 4/19/2012 2:43 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On 4/19/2012 2:07 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On 4/19/2012 12:47 PM, wrote:


Marconi was wrong about antennas having to be grounded to work.

I think that's a good thing. We wouldn't get signals from satellites
otherwise.

Actually, that begs the question "which planet is the real ground"?

John
KD5YI


Reckon we could hang a dipole all the way from the earth to the moon?

No.

What gain would it have and what frequency would it resonate on, I
wonder.

Well, lessee... gain would be the same as any dipole, i.e. about 1.76dBi
not considering resistive losses because you did not specify a conductor
size. Resonant frequency would be ~.372 Hz. This does not include the
"capacitive hats" of the earth and moon.

73, Ian.

Where would "ground" be?

73,
John
John, "ground" is so "last century" along with "dial-up" and "Cathode Ray
Tube in my television".
Forget "ground". Say "planet" instead. Is that better?

73, Ian.

I did already. But, *which* planet?

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

"John S" wrote in message
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On 4/19/2012 2:43 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On 4/19/2012 2:07 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On 4/19/2012 12:47 PM, wrote:


Marconi was wrong about antennas having to be grounded to work.

I think that's a good thing. We wouldn't get signals from satellites
otherwise.

Actually, that begs the question "which planet is the real ground"?

John
KD5YI


Reckon we could hang a dipole all the way from the earth to the moon?

No.

What gain would it have and what frequency would it resonate on, I
wonder.

Well, lessee... gain would be the same as any dipole, i.e. about 1.76dBi
not considering resistive losses because you did not specify a conductor
size. Resonant frequency would be ~.372 Hz. This does not include the
"capacitive hats" of the earth and moon.

73, Ian.

Where would "ground" be?

73,
John
John, "ground" is so "last century" along with "dial-up" and "Cathode Ray
Tube in my television".
Forget "ground". Say "planet" instead. Is that better?

73, Ian.

I did already. But, *which* planet?

Oh - sorry about missing that, John.
How about going for any two planets which form a straight line? This is
surely better than relying on just one planet which might develop an
eccentric orbit (which we could name the "S****pan orbit").
Besides which, someone, sometime in the future, might want to hang a long
wire between the planets (but how much would the feeder cost).

Okay - if you prefer only on planet then I suggest Saturn (let's talk halo
aerials) or Jupiter with its jolly red spot (well, you try getting a tube of
cream THAT big).

I suppose the best evidence of using ground / planet is moonbounce - uses
the ground / planet without an aerial at that end of the path.

73, Ian.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

On 4/19/2012 2:55 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On 4/19/2012 2:43 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On 4/19/2012 2:07 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
...
On 4/19/2012 12:47 PM, wrote:


Marconi was wrong about antennas having to be grounded to work.

I think that's a good thing. We wouldn't get signals from satellites
otherwise.

Actually, that begs the question "which planet is the real ground"?

John
KD5YI


Reckon we could hang a dipole all the way from the earth to the moon?

No.

What gain would it have and what frequency would it resonate on, I
wonder.

Well, lessee... gain would be the same as any dipole, i.e. about 1.76dBi
not considering resistive losses because you did not specify a conductor
size. Resonant frequency would be ~.372 Hz. This does not include the
"capacitive hats" of the earth and moon.

73, Ian.

Where would "ground" be?

73,
John
John, "ground" is so "last century" along with "dial-up" and "Cathode Ray
Tube in my television".
Forget "ground". Say "planet" instead. Is that better?

73, Ian.

I did already. But, *which* planet?

Oh - sorry about missing that, John.
How about going for any two planets which form a straight line? This is
surely better than relying on just one planet which might develop an
eccentric orbit (which we could name the "S****pan orbit").
Besides which, someone, sometime in the future, might want to hang a long
wire between the planets (but how much would the feeder cost).

Okay - if you prefer only on planet then I suggest Saturn (let's talk halo
aerials) or Jupiter with its jolly red spot (well, you try getting a tube of
cream THAT big).

I suppose the best evidence of using ground / planet is moonbounce - uses
the ground / planet without an aerial at that end of the path.

Okay. But how many planets have bounced from their "ground" a signal?
Does that mean that they are not really there, just an artifact of
telescopes?

73, Ian.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

"John S" wrote in message
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Okay. But how many planets have bounced from their "ground" a signal? Does
that mean that they are not really there, just an artifact of telescopes?

73, Ian.



I'll pass on that one. May I wish you a good evening from the UK (where I'm
hoping we'll have clear skies and I can watch the ISS in a few minutes).

73, Ian.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

On 4/19/2012 3:57 PM, Ian wrote:
"John wrote in message
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Okay. But how many planets have bounced from their "ground" a signal? Does
that mean that they are not really there, just an artifact of telescopes?

73, Ian.



I'll pass on that one. May I wish you a good evening from the UK (where I'm
hoping we'll have clear skies and I can watch the ISS in a few minutes).

73, Ian.

And 73 to you, too, Ian.

Cheers as well.

John

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

John S wrote:

Okay. But how many planets have bounced from their "ground" a signal?
Does that mean that they are not really there, just an artifact of
telescopes?

Since light is nothing more than very, very high frequency RF, all of them.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The present general opinion regards the space as "rare plasma" (ions and
electrons).

No, it does not.

So Are the radio waves the oscillatory flow of electrons?

No.

The phrase "oscillatory flow of electrons" is gibberish and you are an
idiot.

Not me but Stokes:
"The Stokes drift is important for the mass transfer of all kind of
materials and organisms by oscillatory flows."

Here you are the "oscillatory water flow".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...ee_periods.gif
The " "oscillatory flow of electrons" is in the Dirac electron sea.
Each wave are inherently non symmetric.
S*

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The present general opinion regards the space as "rare plasma" (ions and
electrons).

No, it does not.

So Are the radio waves the oscillatory flow of electrons?

No.

The phrase "oscillatory flow of electrons" is gibberish and you are an
idiot.

Not me but Stokes:
"The Stokes drift is important for the mass transfer of all kind of
materials and organisms by oscillatory flows."

Here you are the "oscillatory water flow".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...ee_periods.gif
The " "oscillatory flow of electrons" is in the Dirac electron sea.
Each wave are inherently non symmetric.
S*


According to Wikipedia, Stokes Drift applies to wave motion in fluid
dynamics. The article predominantly mentions water. Article makes no mention
of its application to radio signals.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

Szczepan Bialek wrote:

napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The present general opinion regards the space as "rare plasma" (ions and
electrons).

No, it does not.

So Are the radio waves the oscillatory flow of electrons?

No.

The phrase "oscillatory flow of electrons" is gibberish and you are an
idiot.

Not me but Stokes:
"The Stokes drift is important for the mass transfer of all kind of
materials and organisms by oscillatory flows."

This has nothing what so ever to do with electromagnetics.

You are a babbling idiot.

Here you are the "oscillatory water flow".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...ee_periods.gif
The " "oscillatory flow of electrons" is in the Dirac electron sea.
Each wave are inherently non symmetric.
S*

This has nothing what so ever to do with electromagnetics.

You are a babbling idiot.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

Ian wrote:
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

The present general opinion regards the space as "rare plasma" (ions and
electrons).

No, it does not.

So Are the radio waves the oscillatory flow of electrons?

No.

The phrase "oscillatory flow of electrons" is gibberish and you are an
idiot.

Not me but Stokes:
"The Stokes drift is important for the mass transfer of all kind of
materials and organisms by oscillatory flows."

Here you are the "oscillatory water flow".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De...ee_periods.gif
The " "oscillatory flow of electrons" is in the Dirac electron sea.
Each wave are inherently non symmetric.
S*


According to Wikipedia, Stokes Drift applies to wave motion in fluid
dynamics. The article predominantly mentions water. Article makes no mention
of its application to radio signals.


That's because there isn't any.

It only applys to fluid dynamics, as in water and gases, not free space.

Once again the babbling little idiot does a web search for a phrase or
word like "wave" and is too blindinly stupid to understand that the word
can have more than one meaning.

I am a little surprised that he hasn't posted something about WAVE actions
in WWII.

Oscillatory flow of electrons
 

wrote in message
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major snippage

You are a babbling idiot.

I think I see the problem. I phoned my cousin, our Ambassador to Elbonia,
and asked him about the translation of "babbling idiot." He says it's taken
as a compliment. Only the top few of Great Elbonian Thinkers are worthy of
such high regard.

:-)

"Sal"