On Wed, 09 Jun 2004 16:32:31 -0000, (Dave Platt)
wrote:

I agree that if BPL is rolled out en mass, it _is_ likely to cause
serious interference with HF operations (amateur and otherwise), and
that the momentum of "Hey, we've invested billions to field BPL, you
can't just shut us down" is likely to override the original "No, there
won't be interference" promised.

You've hit on a key issue here -- interests will cry out
against "premature regulation" or promise to mitigate if regulation is
already in place. Then, when damage to others has been shown to exist,
they claim they've been led down the garden path by being allowed to
proceed in the first place. Next they complain about the "crushing
burden" it would impose on them and their investors to mitigate
damages as per the original contract. Standard tactis for running
roughshod ofer the rights of others.

On 09 Jun 2004 20:05:36 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Now, I do not expect the FCC to investigate every CB'er messing up TV
reception, but I would expect them to eagerly investigate complaints from
any public safety related organization. If they don't, shame on them.


In the current political climate that public safety
organizations should be able to invoke homeland security concerns to
bolster their side of the debate -- inability to coordinate
evacuations, etc.

"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...

Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass
the plate".


-=jd=-

Some of the broadcasters are pretty ambitious. WYFR bought several about 20
years ago. Then it was WWCR. WWRB already has five transmitters.

I haven't heard as much of WWRB since Alex Jones moved to WWCR, but I
imagine Dave Frantz might have had something to say about BPL. This time
last year, he was talking about HAARP causing all those tornadoes and the
evils of Satan's World Wide Web.

Frank Dresser

Pass the plate to modulate the plate?

Regards

John Barnard

-=jd=- wrote:

On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser"
wrote in message
:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...

Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW
preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc.



-=jd=-

I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious broadcasters
who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They
have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules
against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys
have a significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who
buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so.

Frank Dresser



Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass
the plate".

-=jd=-
--
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(Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...



Plus if BPL does "threaten" to enter a market, the DSL and cable guys will
drop their prices to keep from losing market share. So I bet they are
monitoring this situation closely. The latter already know it is price
that
keeps some people from switching from dial-up. Just look at some of the
recent ads on TV for their promotions. Cable had been advertising a
$29.99
introductory offer and now they are offering a $19.99 introductory offer.
DSL and cable know that they have to get close to dial up prices to get
the
customers.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I was wondering how many people have broadband access, so I googled this up:

"A new, national report by comScore Networks indicates broadband Internet
access is ready to overtake dial-up access as the top online subscription
service in major metro markets in the United States. "

""In the past several months, we've seen the U.S. online population reach
150 million people, and household broadband penetration cross the 33 percent
threshold," said Russ Fradin, executive vice president of comScore Networks.
"Now we've recorded another milestone, with broadband accounting for more
than half of U.S. major market Internet connections.""

If the story is correct, half of the internet users have broadband access
where it's widely available, and a third of the country has it. Roughly 50
million people in the US have broadband access.

http://www.ectnews.com/story/33108.html

The story doesn't mention dropping price as much of a driving force in the
expansion of broadband, but I don't see how it can't be considered as the
main reason. SBC here runs promotional offers with the first few months of
DSL broadband for little more than the cost of dial up. Of course, the
price goes up after the promotional period ends.

Anyway, there seems to be a wide interest in broadband, as long as it's
offered at an attractive price.

Frank Dresser

Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of
the original message that prompted my post.

That was the one from "yea right" who wrote in his message
...

"If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi "


Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank).

AK

wrote in message
...
On 09 Jun 2004 20:05:36 GMT, "-=jd=-"
wrote:


Now, I do not expect the FCC to investigate every CB'er messing up TV
reception, but I would expect them to eagerly investigate complaints from
any public safety related organization. If they don't, shame on them.


In the current political climate that public safety
organizations should be able to invoke homeland security concerns to
bolster their side of the debate -- inability to coordinate
evacuations, etc.

Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of
the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea
right" who wrote in his message
...

"If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi "


Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank).

AK

"John Barnard" wrote in message
...
Pass the plate to modulate the plate?

Regards

John Barnard

-=jd=- wrote:

On Fri 11 Jun 2004 04:46:24p, "Frank Dresser"
wrote in message
:


"-=jd=-" wrote in message
...

Oh - I thought the poster intimated the "less than mainstream" SW
preachers, ala "Profit Stair", etc.



-=jd=-

I suppose he was, but I'm thinking of the all the religious
broadcasters
who've set up shop on the SW bands in the last 20 years or so. They
have demonstrated a measure of political clout in that the old rules
against domestic SW broadcasting are now freely ignored. These guys
have a significant investment to protect, particularly those guys who
buy another 100 kW transmitter every 18 months or so.

Frank Dresser



Wholly-Cow! They must be realizing a fair bit of success when they "pass
the plate".

-=jd=-
--
My Current Disposable Email:

(Remove YOUR HAT to reply directly)

Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of
the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea
right" who wrote in his message
...

"If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi "


Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank).

AK

"JJ" wrote in message
...
Clair J. Robinson wrote:

Bob Miller wrote:

I'm sure some of our right-wing preachers that have taken to the
shortwaves could mount good letter-writing campaigns, should their
broadcasts be drowned out by BPL :-)

Bob
k5qwg



Don't forget that those right-wing preachers and all other US short-wave
broadcasters are licensed to broadcast to foreign locations only. I
guess those 800 numbers are for use in the Caribbean and Canada. Sure,
that has to be the case.

73, CJ K0CJ

You mean if I pick up their broadcast here in the US then that makes
them illegal?

Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight of
the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea
right" who wrote in his message
...

"If you value radio, this may be the last and only chance to have your
voice heard to stop BPL from destroying your hobby. The FCC has extended
the comment period for BPL.

It is VERY simple to file a FCC comment. Click the link below and enter

03-104

in box #1 (proceeding number) and fill in the blanks. The simplest way to
comment is to type your comment into the box on the bottom of the form.

http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/upload_v2.cgi "


Anyone who has not given the FCC their input, should (you too, Frank).

AK

"Frank Dresser" wrote in message
...

"Dee D. Flint" wrote in message
...



Plus if BPL does "threaten" to enter a market, the DSL and cable guys
will
drop their prices to keep from losing market share. So I bet they are
monitoring this situation closely. The latter already know it is price
that
keeps some people from switching from dial-up. Just look at some of the
recent ads on TV for their promotions. Cable had been advertising a
$29.99
introductory offer and now they are offering a $19.99 introductory
offer.
DSL and cable know that they have to get close to dial up prices to get
the
customers.

Dee D. Flint, N8UZE


I was wondering how many people have broadband access, so I googled this
up:

"A new, national report by comScore Networks indicates broadband Internet
access is ready to overtake dial-up access as the top online subscription
service in major metro markets in the United States. "

""In the past several months, we've seen the U.S. online population reach
150 million people, and household broadband penetration cross the 33
percent
threshold," said Russ Fradin, executive vice president of comScore
Networks.
"Now we've recorded another milestone, with broadband accounting for more
than half of U.S. major market Internet connections.""

If the story is correct, half of the internet users have broadband access
where it's widely available, and a third of the country has it. Roughly
50
million people in the US have broadband access.

http://www.ectnews.com/story/33108.html

The story doesn't mention dropping price as much of a driving force in the
expansion of broadband, but I don't see how it can't be considered as the
main reason. SBC here runs promotional offers with the first few months
of
DSL broadband for little more than the cost of dial up. Of course, the
price goes up after the promotional period ends.

Anyway, there seems to be a wide interest in broadband, as long as it's
offered at an attractive price.

Frank Dresser

"AK" wrote in message
news:iDFyc.24732$0y.9613@attbi_s03...
Excuse me for butting into an interesting discussion. As the originator of
this string heading, I just wanted to say that I hope no one loses sight
of
the original message that prompted my post. That was the one from "yea
right" who wrote in his message
...

[snip]

Yep, they got it, and I got the confirmation.

Frank Dresser