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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Ian" napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...
"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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All time the electrons flow to or from the ground.


Hello Szczepan.

No, the earth doesn't act as a surface of a capacitor. Capacitors will
self-discharge even when they aren't connected to any circuit.

My answer was to Sal. He wrote: "(Last year, I used a 20m dipole at 30
feet, operating out of my van.
Everything floated above ground without incident and many QSOs.)"

The floor of the van is the plate and the surface of the Earth is the second
plate.
S*

Nonsense; you are an idiot.

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"Wayne" napisal w wiadomosci
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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# My answer was to Sal. He wrote: "(Last year, I used a 20m dipole at 30
# feet, operating out of my van.
# Everything floated above ground without incident and many QSOs.)"

# The floor of the van is the plate and the surface of the Earth is the
second
# plate.
# S*

Just as a mental exercise, assume that the entire setup...van and antenna,
is transported to a place in space where there is negligible capacitance
to the earth.

Is it your contention that the setup would operate any differently?

The Earth is in the space and the entire setup also.
The both need "neutralization" like the space-vehicle:
"Other proposed applications of large-area field emission sources[39]
include microwave generation, space-vehicle neutralization"
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission

" Where the electrons are compacted the electrons tend to push each other
off. Where there
is a deficit of electrons, electrons are attracted from other sources".

In space is the Solar wind (ions and electrons).
S*

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...
Just as a mental exercise, assume that the entire setup...van and
antenna,
is transported to a place in space where there is negligible capacitance
to the earth.

Is it your contention that the setup would operate any differently?

The Earth is in the space and the entire setup also.
The both need "neutralization" like the space-vehicle:
"Other proposed applications of large-area field emission sources[39]
include microwave generation, space-vehicle neutralization"
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission

" Where the electrons are compacted the electrons tend to push each other
off. Where there
is a deficit of electrons, electrons are attracted from other sources".

In space is the Solar wind (ions and electrons).
S*

To continue quoting from the Wiki article: ' In these devices, a high
density of individual field emission sites is created on a substrate
(originally silicon). This research area became known, first as "vacuum
microelectronics", now as "vacuum nanoelectronics" '.
Micro/nanoelectronics? I think we've discussed ths before on this newsgroup.
Is Szczepan saying that we need to earth the Earth? Doesn't that short out
everything?
I'd rate this thread "Four stars out of five. Highly entertaining and
amusing. I await the sequel".
Perhaps we've already had the sequel - was it Archimedes who said "Give me a
place to stand and with a lever I will move the whole world". I guess that
Szczepan would agree with that one.

Regards to all, Ian.

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On Monday, June 25, 2012 12:18:08 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
In space is the Solar wind (ions and electrons).

If electrons permeated space, all planets would be at the same electric potential but we know they are not. How do you explain that?

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Channel Jumper wrote:

;792380 Wrote:
Szczepan Bialek wrote:-

"Sal M. O'Nella" napisa? w wiadomo?ci
...-


(Last year, I used a 20m dipole at 30 feet, operating out of my van.
Everything floated above ground without incident and many QSOs.)

I value your opiniion.-

In Marconi opinion: -

Marconi was wrong, idiot.

And the topic of discussion is prevention of static build up on antennas
which requires a particular set of circumstances to occur and does NOT
happen all the time and everywhere.

You are an idiot.

Play nice - you do not want to end up like ME!
Friendless and alone.

IN THEORY - Marconi was correct.

No, Marconi was NOT correct in general and Marconi was talking about
single-ended antennas, not static build up or dipoles or loop antennas
or anything else invented the the 75 years since he died.

Marconi's remarks about antenna ground apply only to antennas working
against the Earth, e.g. a vertical antenna with no ground plane.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Wayne" napisal w wiadomosci
...


"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...


# My answer was to Sal. He wrote: "(Last year, I used a 20m dipole at 30
# feet, operating out of my van.
# Everything floated above ground without incident and many QSOs.)"

# The floor of the van is the plate and the surface of the Earth is the
second
# plate.
# S*

Just as a mental exercise, assume that the entire setup...van and antenna,
is transported to a place in space where there is negligible capacitance
to the earth.

Is it your contention that the setup would operate any differently?

The Earth is in the space and the entire setup also.
The both need "neutralization" like the space-vehicle:
"Other proposed applications of large-area field emission sources[39]
include microwave generation, space-vehicle neutralization"
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission

" Where the electrons are compacted the electrons tend to push each other
off. Where there
is a deficit of electrons, electrons are attracted from other sources".

In space is the Solar wind (ions and electrons).
S*

This is a bunch of babbling, word salad, meaningless, gibberish.

You are an utter idiot.

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On 6/25/2012 8:12 AM, W5DXP wrote:
On Monday, June 25, 2012 2:23:22 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
The floor of the van is the plate and the surface of the Earth is the second
plate.

How about the capacitors and antennas on Voyager I and II which are still operating at the edge of the solar system?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

You see the Voyager I and II use their metal structure as one plate of
a capacitor connecting to earth. The space between is the dielectric,
just like the floor of the van. Some day when Voyager I passes another
solar system, The space between earth and Voyager making up the
dielectric will be light years wide. Without earth there could be no
radio communications anywhere else in the universe.

Plato, the Greek scientist stated very clearly that the earth was the
centre of the universe. Cecil, surely you would not presume to question
the works of a great scientist like Plato.

Michael

:-)

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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"Wayne" napisal w wiadomosci
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...


# My answer was to Sal. He wrote: "(Last year, I used a 20m dipole at 30
# feet, operating out of my van.
# Everything floated above ground without incident and many QSOs.)"

# The floor of the van is the plate and the surface of the Earth is the
second
# plate.
# S*

Just as a mental exercise, assume that the entire setup...van and antenna,
is transported to a place in space where there is negligible capacitance
to the earth.

Is it your contention that the setup would operate any differently?

# The Earth is in the space and the entire setup also.
# The both need "neutralization" like the space-vehicle:
# "Other proposed applications of large-area field emission sources[39]
# include microwave generation, space-vehicle neutralization"
# From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission
#
# " Where the electrons are compacted the electrons tend to push each other
# off. Where there
# is a deficit of electrons, electrons are attracted from other sources".
#
# In space is the Solar wind (ions and electrons).
# S*

And if the van/antenna had been constructed on another planet before being
sent into space, is the earth still required or just the other planet?

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"Wayne" napisal w wiadomosci
...


"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...


Just as a mental exercise, assume that the entire setup...van and
antenna, is transported to a place in space where there is negligible
capacitance to the earth.

Is it your contention that the setup would operate any differently?

# The Earth is in the space and the entire setup also.
# The both need "neutralization" like the space-vehicle:
# "Other proposed applications of large-area field emission sources[39]
# include microwave generation, space-vehicle neutralization"
# From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission
#
# " Where the electrons are compacted the electrons tend to push each
other
# off. Where there
# is a deficit of electrons, electrons are attracted from other sources".
#
# In space is the Solar wind (ions and electrons).
# S*

And if the van/antenna had been constructed on another planet before being
sent into space, is the earth still required or just the other planet?

Each piece in the space is neutralized by the rare plazma.
S*

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"W5DXP" napisal w wiadomosci
...
On Monday, June 25, 2012 12:18:08 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
In space is the Solar wind (ions and electrons).

If electrons permeated space, all planets would be at the same electric
potential but we know they are not.

Where can I find the planet potentials?
S*

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"Boomer" napisal w wiadomosci
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On 6/25/2012 8:12 AM, W5DXP wrote:
On Monday, June 25, 2012 2:23:22 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
The floor of the van is the plate and the surface of the Earth is the
second
plate.

How about the capacitors and antennas on Voyager I and II which are still
operating at the edge of the solar system?
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

You see the Voyager I and II use their metal structure as one plate of a
capacitor connecting to earth. The space between is the dielectric,

The dielectric is in the textbooks. In real space is the rare plazma
(conductor).
" Since plasmas contain equal numbers of electrons and ions, they are
electrically neutral overall and thus electric fields play a lesser
dynamical role. Because plasmas are highly conductive, any charge imbalances
are readily neutralised."

"Norwegian explorer and physicist Kristian Birkeland may have been the first
to predict that space is filled with plasma. He wrote in 1913: "It seems to
be a natural consequence of our points of view to assume that the whole of
space is filled with electrons and flying electric ions of all kinds. We
have assumed that each stellar system in evolutions throws off electric
corpuscles into space. It does not seem unreasonable therefore to think that
the greater part of the material masses in the universe is found, not in the
solar systems or nebulae, but in "empty" space."[1]["
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrophysical_plasma
S*

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
.. .


"Wayne" napisal w wiadomosci
...


"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...


Just as a mental exercise, assume that the entire setup...van and
antenna, is transported to a place in space where there is negligible
capacitance to the earth.

Is it your contention that the setup would operate any differently?

# The Earth is in the space and the entire setup also.
# The both need "neutralization" like the space-vehicle:
# "Other proposed applications of large-area field emission sources[39]
# include microwave generation, space-vehicle neutralization"
# From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Field_electron_emission
#
# " Where the electrons are compacted the electrons tend to push each
other
# off. Where there
# is a deficit of electrons, electrons are attracted from other sources".
#
# In space is the Solar wind (ions and electrons).
# S*

And if the van/antenna had been constructed on another planet before being
sent into space, is the earth still required or just the other planet?

# Each piece in the space is neutralized by the rare plazma.
# S*

Thanks. Your answer confirms many of my suspicions.

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On 6/22/2012 7:54 PM, tom wrote:
On 6/22/2012 10:20 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
"Sal M. napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...


(Last year, I used a 20m dipole at 30 feet, operating out of my van.
Everything floated above ground without incident and many QSOs.)

I value your opiniion.

In Marconi opinion:
http://www.nobelprize.org/nobel_priz...ni-lecture.pdf


"By "connected to earth" I do not necessarily mean an ordinary metallic
connection as used for ordinary wire telegraphs.
The earth wire may have a condenser in series with it, or it may be
connected to what is really equivalent, a capacity area placed close
to the
surface
of the ground (Fig. 4).
It is now perfectly well known that a condenser, if large enough, does
not
prevent the passage of high frequency oscillations, and therefore in
these
cases
the earth is for all practical purposes connected to the antennae."


And Wiki:
"The use of the term ground (or earth) is so common in electrical and
electronics applications that circuits in portable electronic devices
such
as cell phones and media players as well as circuits in vehicles such as
ships, aircraft, and spacecraft may be spoken of as having a "ground"
connection without any actual connection to the Earth. This is usually a
large conductor attached to one side of the power supply (such as the
"ground plane" on a printed circuit board) which serves as the common
return
path for current from many different components in the circuit." From:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_(electricity)
S*


And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

tom
K0TAR

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On 6/24/2012 10:59 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
"Szczepan wrote in message
.. .

All time the electrons flow to or from the ground.

Note the statement "makes it easier for a current to flow between the
plates". That's "between the plates" and not "flow to earth".

The Earth surface works as the plate.

And so it will have delay related to the transmitted frequency. So that
part will be predictable.

But you won't have a clue as to how it works, as usual.

tom
K0TAR

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On 6/23/2012 10:37 AM, Ian wrote:

Hi folks.
snip

Please excuse my tryping terrors - they are merely the random movement of

Aha! You admit you are a trerrorist!

tom
K0TAR

73, Ian.

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On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:26:05 -0500, tom wrote:

On 6/22/2012 10:20 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
snip

And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

Been watching this for awhile. I think this guy may be the king of
trolls. He's had you guys going for weeks now...

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AJL wrote:
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:26:05 -0500, tom wrote:

On 6/22/2012 10:20 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
snip

And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

Been watching this for awhile. I think this guy may be the king of
trolls. He's had you guys going for weeks now...

He's been posting the same idiotic crap to multiple groups for years now.

I don't think he is a troll, I think he really is that stupid.

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"W5DXP" wrote in message
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If electrons permeated space, all planets would be at the same electric
potential but we know they are not. How do you explain that?
Hi
Do you have any links about the relative potential of planets ?
I have always been wondering what would my meter indicate if
connected between an earth and a moon terminals.
On the other hand electrons move quite easily in vacum this was used
in radio not so long ago.
But of course much slowly than electromagnetic waves.





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"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
. net...

And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.
As you probably know the wires insulated with the water do not work.
It is the wave lenght dependent.
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
. net...

And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.

Oh, that must be why light and radio waves do not pass through glass!

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"bilou" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...

"W5DXP" wrote in message
...
If electrons permeated space, all planets would be at the same electric
potential but we know they are not. How do you explain that?
Hi
Do you have any links about the relative potential of planets ?
I have always been wondering what would my meter indicate if
connected between an earth and a moon terminals.
On the other hand electrons move quite easily in vacum this was used
in radio not so long ago.
But of course much slowly than electromagnetic waves.

In telegraph wire the electrons travel (as the disturbance) with the speed
of light.
The same is in the space. The disturbance always travel with the speed of
light.

And all waves transport the mass (medium). In the our case the electrons.

But in medium are aso the winds. The speeds of them is "of course much
slowly than electromagnetic waves."

So in the space are the oscillatory flow of electrons and the electron wind.
S*

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"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
. net...

And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.

Oh, that must be why light and radio waves do not pass through glass!

Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.
For infrared you must use the NaCl. And for UV the quartz.
"It is the wave length dependent."
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
...
Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
. net...

And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.

Oh, that must be why light and radio waves do not pass through glass!

Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.
For infrared you must use the NaCl. And for UV the quartz.
"It is the wave length dependent."
S*

Yes, but that is because it does not work the way you think it does.

When it was just a matter of flow of electrons, any insulator would
block the waves. The fact that some waves can pass through an insulator
clearly shows that those waves are not an oscillatory flow of electrons.

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"AJL" wrote in message
...
On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:26:05 -0500, tom wrote:

On 6/22/2012 10:20 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
snip

And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

Been watching this for awhile. I think this guy may be the king of
trolls. He's had you guys going for weeks now...

As the well-known expression says "it's good for a giggle".
Well, it is well known in the UK.

We have had some good discussions.

73, Ian.

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
.. .

"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
. net...

And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.
As you probably know the wires insulated with the water do not work.
It is the wave lenght dependent.
S*

Sadly, Szczepan is around 25 years too late to be a script writer for a
"Carry On" film. We've also lost Stanley Unwin who would doubtless have
enjoyed Szczepan's Gobbledygook, not only because Unwin was a comedian but
also because he knew a bit about transmitters.

ttfn, Ian.

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
.. .
Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.
For infrared you must use the NaCl. And for UV the quartz.
"It is the wave length dependent."
S*
Szczepan, this news that "Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass"
should be passed to Canon and Nikon and other manufacturers of digital
cameras who fit infrared filters onto their sensors. They do not know that
infrared will not reach the sensor, having been stopped by all the glass in
the lens.
According to Wikipedia, glass is approximately 75% SiO2. Quartz is SiO2.

Regards, Ian.

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Ian wrote:
According to Wikipedia, glass is approximately 75% SiO2. Quartz is SiO2.

The use of fused quartz for UV and salt for IR is actually
something he is right about.

Ordinary glass only passes a small amount of UV close to the
visual spectrum. Lenses that go far into the ultraviolet
are made using fused quartz and fluorite elements. (This combination
gives excellent broadband colour correction so such lenses are
also used for near-infrared.)

Ordinary glass passes a fair bit of the IR spectrum but salt passes
much longer wave IR than glass does.

Peter.
--

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...

In telegraph wire the electrons travel (as the disturbance) with the speed
of light.
The same is in the space. The disturbance always travel with the speed of
light.
Electrons and what you call "the disturbance' are completely different
things.
Nothing with a mass can travel at the speed of light.
Even in high vacuum tubes electrons travel much slower than the speed of
light
And this creates lots of problems.
Around an atom of hydrogen the electron travels at less than 1% of the
speed of light.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...9/phy99092.htm

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On Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:25:08 AM UTC-5, bilou wrote:
Do you have any links about the relative potential of planets ?

I have a book that is still packed from my latest move. The theory is that since charged particles from the sun result in an electric current and since planets with varying characteristics (distance, size, magnetic field, etc, deflect charged particles differently, the charge on varying planets must necessarily be different. Space probes have measured the electric potential near planets and moons and one has been damaged by the intense electric fields near a moon but not in space. But think about it. Since the electric potential is not the same at different points on earth, it is likely impossible to be a fixed value anywhere else. (There are lightning discharges on the surface of Jupiter.)

On the other hand electrons move quite easily in vacuum this was used
in radio not so long ago.

Space probes have measured the density of free electrons in space. There are simply not enough electrons there to call space a conductor. There is something there, for sure, but it is not conventional matter. Apparently, the "aether" consists of dark matter.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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On Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:46:10 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
In telegraph wire the electrons travel (as the disturbance) with the speed
of light.

The "disturbance", which is a DC transient condition, has been proven by measuring instruments to consist of photons. All AC, RF, and transient (disturbance) DC phenomena (within a telegraph wire) involve photons that are emitted and absorbed by electrons, which act as a sort of bucket brigade for the photons. If something travels at the speed of light in the medium, it cannot be an electron. A single electron, traveling at the speed of light, would collapse the universe.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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On Thursday, June 28, 2012 8:17:25 AM UTC-5, Laurent Blin wrote:
Around an atom of hydrogen the electron travels at less than 1% of the
speed of light.

In a 1 mm telegraph wire carrying 3 amps of DC, an electron travels at a velocity of about one meter per hour. I can walk 3000 times faster than that. It's time to come to grips with electron particles containing mass vs speed of light functions.

I earlier said an electron traveling at the speed of light would collapse "the" universe. I should have said: collapse "its" universe.
--
73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...

Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.

Is that why your greenhouse stays cool on a sunny day??

Almost all energy is in visible light.
In greenhouse it is reworked into heat. But the warm interior radiate the
infrared. Such can not escape through the glass.
In the result my greenhouse stays hot on a sunny day.
S*

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
...

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...

Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.

Is that why your greenhouse stays cool on a sunny day??

Almost all energy is in visible light.
In greenhouse it is reworked into heat. But the warm interior radiate the
infrared. Such can not escape through the glass.
In the result my greenhouse stays hot on a sunny day.
S*

Hello Jeff.

I am now checking the front of my camera lens. Yes - there's a UV filter on
it. Wonder why?

Best wishes, Ian.

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Jeff" napisal w wiadomosci
...

Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.

Is that why your greenhouse stays cool on a sunny day??

Almost all energy is in visible light.
In greenhouse it is reworked into heat. But the warm interior radiate the
infrared. Such can not escape through the glass.
In the result my greenhouse stays hot on a sunny day.
S*

Yet more babbling, word salad nonsense from the poster boy for Polish jokes.

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On 6/28/2012 2:25 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci
. net...

And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.
As you probably know the wires insulated with the water do not work.

Yes they do actually.

You can also put salt water in an insulating glass tube and use it as an
antenna.

It is the wave lenght dependent.

What is?

S*



You did not answer the question. I will restate it.

How can a wire that is completely insulated with respect to electrons
radiate an RF signal?

An additional question.

Since radio waves, according to you, are made up of electrons, how do
radios receive and transmit inside building which are made of insulating
and nonconducting glass and concrete?

tom
K0TAR

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On 6/28/2012 12:21 PM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
napisal w wiadomosci
...

Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.

Is that why your greenhouse stays cool on a sunny day??

Almost all energy is in visible light.

Not true.

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"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
. net...
On 6/28/2012 2:25 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.
As you probably know the wires insulated with the water do not work.

Yes they do actually.

A wire coated with the melting ice do not work.

You can also put salt water in an insulating glass tube and use it as an
antenna.

Is it used by U-boots?

It is the wave lenght dependent.

What is?

In the salt water works only the ULF.

You did not answer the question. I will restate it.

How can a wire that is completely insulated with respect to electrons
radiate an RF signal?

No insulators to make a wire that is completely insulated with respect to
electrons. It is the material, thickness and frequency dependent.


An additional question.

Since radio waves, according to you, are made up of electrons, how do
radios receive and transmit inside building which are made of insulating
and nonconducting glass and concrete?

Light (and radio waves) are made up of electrons, according to Faraday, L.
Lorentz, Tesla and Dirac.
The conductance is the frequency dependent.
The light travel in the glass fibre but do not travel in a copper wire.
S*

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On Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:21:12 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Almost all energy is in visible light.

Actually, most EM energy is above and below the very limited visible spectrum and EM energy is only one of many types of energy. You would not be able to survive close proximity to the gamma rays from a pulsar long enough to see where they were coming from.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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On Friday, June 29, 2012 2:38:18 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Light (and radio waves) are made up of electrons, according to Faraday, L.
Lorentz, Tesla and Dirac.

Please find a time machine and go back to the time when physicists were so ignorant that they believed such nonsense.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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On Thursday, June 28, 2012 12:21:12 PM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
Almost all energy is in visible light.

Actually, most EM energy is above and below the very limited visible
spectrum and EM energy is only one of many types of energy. You would not
be able to survive close proximity to the gamma rays from a pulsar long
enough to see where they were coming from.

In Jeff greenhouse no rays from a pulsar.
S*