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"bilou" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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"W5DXP" wrote in message
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If electrons permeated space, all planets would be at the same electric
potential but we know they are not. How do you explain that?
Hi
Do you have any links about the relative potential of planets ?
I have always been wondering what would my meter indicate if
connected between an earth and a moon terminals.
On the other hand electrons move quite easily in vacum this was used
in radio not so long ago.
But of course much slowly than electromagnetic waves.

In telegraph wire the electrons travel (as the disturbance) with the speed
of light.
The same is in the space. The disturbance always travel with the speed of
light.

And all waves transport the mass (medium). In the our case the electrons.

But in medium are aso the winds. The speeds of them is "of course much
slowly than electromagnetic waves."

So in the space are the oscillatory flow of electrons and the electron wind.
S*

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"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

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And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.

Oh, that must be why light and radio waves do not pass through glass!

Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.
For infrared you must use the NaCl. And for UV the quartz.
"It is the wave length dependent."
S*

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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"Rob" napisa³ w wiadomo¶ci
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Szczepan Bialek wrote:

"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
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And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.

Oh, that must be why light and radio waves do not pass through glass!

Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.
For infrared you must use the NaCl. And for UV the quartz.
"It is the wave length dependent."
S*

Yes, but that is because it does not work the way you think it does.

When it was just a matter of flow of electrons, any insulator would
block the waves. The fact that some waves can pass through an insulator
clearly shows that those waves are not an oscillatory flow of electrons.

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On Wed, 27 Jun 2012 22:26:05 -0500, tom wrote:

On 6/22/2012 10:20 AM, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
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And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

Been watching this for awhile. I think this guy may be the king of
trolls. He's had you guys going for weeks now...

As the well-known expression says "it's good for a giggle".
Well, it is well known in the UK.

We have had some good discussions.

73, Ian.

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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"tom" napisal w wiadomosci
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And of course there is the real problem. If he claims antennas work by
radiating electrons, why do insulated wires work?

I am going to love this answer.

Light (and radio waves) are the oscillatory flow of electrons (L. Lorenz
1869).

Glass, ice and water are insulators.
As you probably know the wires insulated with the water do not work.
It is the wave lenght dependent.
S*

Sadly, Szczepan is around 25 years too late to be a script writer for a
"Carry On" film. We've also lost Stanley Unwin who would doubtless have
enjoyed Szczepan's Gobbledygook, not only because Unwin was a comedian but
also because he knew a bit about transmitters.

ttfn, Ian.

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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass.
For infrared you must use the NaCl. And for UV the quartz.
"It is the wave length dependent."
S*
Szczepan, this news that "Infrared and UV light do not pass through glass"
should be passed to Canon and Nikon and other manufacturers of digital
cameras who fit infrared filters onto their sensors. They do not know that
infrared will not reach the sensor, having been stopped by all the glass in
the lens.
According to Wikipedia, glass is approximately 75% SiO2. Quartz is SiO2.

Regards, Ian.

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Ian wrote:
According to Wikipedia, glass is approximately 75% SiO2. Quartz is SiO2.

The use of fused quartz for UV and salt for IR is actually
something he is right about.

Ordinary glass only passes a small amount of UV close to the
visual spectrum. Lenses that go far into the ultraviolet
are made using fused quartz and fluorite elements. (This combination
gives excellent broadband colour correction so such lenses are
also used for near-infrared.)

Ordinary glass passes a fair bit of the IR spectrum but salt passes
much longer wave IR than glass does.

Peter.
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"Szczepan Bialek" wrote in message
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In telegraph wire the electrons travel (as the disturbance) with the speed
of light.
The same is in the space. The disturbance always travel with the speed of
light.
Electrons and what you call "the disturbance' are completely different
things.
Nothing with a mass can travel at the speed of light.
Even in high vacuum tubes electrons travel much slower than the speed of
light
And this creates lots of problems.
Around an atom of hydrogen the electron travels at less than 1% of the
speed of light.
http://www.newton.dep.anl.gov/askasc...9/phy99092.htm

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On Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:25:08 AM UTC-5, bilou wrote:
Do you have any links about the relative potential of planets ?

I have a book that is still packed from my latest move. The theory is that since charged particles from the sun result in an electric current and since planets with varying characteristics (distance, size, magnetic field, etc, deflect charged particles differently, the charge on varying planets must necessarily be different. Space probes have measured the electric potential near planets and moons and one has been damaged by the intense electric fields near a moon but not in space. But think about it. Since the electric potential is not the same at different points on earth, it is likely impossible to be a fixed value anywhere else. (There are lightning discharges on the surface of Jupiter.)

On the other hand electrons move quite easily in vacuum this was used
in radio not so long ago.

Space probes have measured the density of free electrons in space. There are simply not enough electrons there to call space a conductor. There is something there, for sure, but it is not conventional matter. Apparently, the "aether" consists of dark matter.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com

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On Thursday, June 28, 2012 2:46:10 AM UTC-5, Szczepan Bialek wrote:
In telegraph wire the electrons travel (as the disturbance) with the speed
of light.

The "disturbance", which is a DC transient condition, has been proven by measuring instruments to consist of photons. All AC, RF, and transient (disturbance) DC phenomena (within a telegraph wire) involve photons that are emitted and absorbed by electrons, which act as a sort of bucket brigade for the photons. If something travels at the speed of light in the medium, it cannot be an electron. A single electron, traveling at the speed of light, would collapse the universe.
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73, Cecil, w5dxp.com