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John D May 24th 14 02:44 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?

The conditions are lower at this 'peak' when a normal cycle was at its lowest !

























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Wayne May 24th 14 05:02 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 


"John D" wrote in message ...


If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how

stupid can someone be ?

The conditions are lower at this 'peak' when a normal cycle was at its

lowest !

Obviously man made global warming is involved.

























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boomer May 24th 14 07:58 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle,how stupid can someone be ?
 
On 5/24/2014 11:02 AM, Wayne wrote:


"John D" wrote in message ...


If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how

stupid can someone be ?

The conditions are lower at this 'peak' when a normal cycle was at

its lowest !

Obviously man made global warming is involved.






It is not politically correct to say glob** warm***. Some people will
get very angry at those words and want to fight.

It has become a religious thing and you know how discussions of religion
go.

Of course it is unknown how the temperature of the earth may effect the
ionosphere. We just don't know. Lets all hope that we keep that little
narrow band that is protecting us from ultra-violet radiation. Right now
the Aussies are getting the worst of it.

I am getting periodically very good results from 15 and 20 meters. There
are those days though.....

10 Meters seems mostly dead. Very unusual for a 11 year solar peak.

I seem to have a radiation lobe from my 75 meter loop that must be aimed
right at Northern Europe. I get armchair copy from them most days on 15
meters. I run about 1300 watts on 15 meters and most often get a pileup
in answer to my cq. It is a matter of picking the strongest signal and
who speaks the best English.

Yes I know, I am only fluent in one language. American, guilty as charged.


Irv Finkleman VE6BP May 25th 14 02:01 AM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle,how stupid can someone be ?
 
John D wrote:
If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?

The conditions are lower at this 'peak' when a normal cycle was at its lowest !


I can't remember the year of the last 'poor' cycle, but at least
this time I haven't got sucked in to changing the RF amp FET - the
bands were so low I was sure it was the front end!

Irv VE6BP

Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names May 25th 14 07:28 AM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 
On Sat, 24 May 2014 15:44:14 +0200, "John D" wrote:


If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?

The conditions are lower at this 'peak' when a normal cycle was at its lowest !

























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Who gives a **** about the solar cycle?

Just get on the air.

It is what it is.


John D May 25th 14 11:22 AM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 

"Kickin' Ass and Takin' Names" wrote
Who gives a **** about the solar cycle?

Just get on the air.

It is what it is.



:-l Well i like your attitude but the sun is our 'life' and if the sunspots suddenly
stop to appear, well a word of caution is on its place.

The causes ? To only thing i can think of that Nibiru pulled at the sun.
(the black planet that has gone now)
Oh, i forgot. hamming is about free time and not serious bussiness.
I won't do it again.















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John D May 25th 14 11:29 AM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 

NASA said "the sun is at its deepest pit since 100 years."

This happened in the 1650's that caused a global cooling.
I knew a lot of 11 year cycle peaks where even a test oscillator on
an arial could be heard over the pont.
Well my hobby is compromised this way and i don't like that..


















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John D May 27th 14 03:58 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 

Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)






















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Channel Jumper May 28th 14 03:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John D (Post 819709)
Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

Look at this-

As far as the Ozone is concerned, NORAD built a 5 Billion Watt transmitter in the Arctic and found that they could blast holes in it.
What did they find? Well that Ozone is comprised of the little ion's of energy that the sun gives off and that it recombines at night and can rebuild itself in as little as 12 hours..

Maybe what these people are seeing is the effects of a directed array burning off the Ozone in a certain area - it would be a very effective way to starve out an enemy or at least make it unbearable to live there...

boomer120 May 30th 14 06:22 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle,how stupid can someone be ?
 
On 5/28/2014 9:06 AM, Channel Jumper wrote:
John D;819709 Wrote:
Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

Look at this-

As far as the Ozone is concerned, NORAD built a 5 Billion Watt
transmitter in the Arctic and found that they could blast holes in it.
What did they find? Well that Ozone is comprised of the little ion's of
energy that the sun gives off and that it recombines at night and can
rebuild itself in as little as 12 hours..

Maybe what these people are seeing is the effects of a directed array
burning off the Ozone in a certain area - it would be a very effective
way to starve out an enemy or at least make it unbearable to live
there...




5 Billion watts. What a large number channel jumper. Do you have any
evidence for this or are you just stupid?

If you are going to make something up, please make it more fun to read.
Why not 100 trillion watts.


[email protected] May 30th 14 06:47 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 
boomer120 wrote:
On 5/28/2014 9:06 AM, Channel Jumper wrote:
John D;819709 Wrote:
Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

Look at this-

As far as the Ozone is concerned, NORAD built a 5 Billion Watt
transmitter in the Arctic and found that they could blast holes in it.
What did they find? Well that Ozone is comprised of the little ion's of
energy that the sun gives off and that it recombines at night and can
rebuild itself in as little as 12 hours..

Maybe what these people are seeing is the effects of a directed array
burning off the Ozone in a certain area - it would be a very effective
way to starve out an enemy or at least make it unbearable to live
there...




5 Billion watts. What a large number channel jumper. Do you have any
evidence for this or are you just stupid?

If you are going to make something up, please make it more fun to read.
Why not 100 trillion watts.


Channel Humper is confused yet again.

He is babbling about HAARP, which was a DARPA project, not NORAD, has
3.6 MW transmitters and because of antenna gain has an ERP of 5.1 GW,
which BTW is still many orders of magnitude below the energy level of
the Sun, and does effect the ionssphere but does not "blast holes" in
the ozone.



--
Jim Pennino

David[_17_] May 31st 14 08:37 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle,how stupid can someone be ?
 
At Fri, 30 May 2014 17:47:22 +0000, jimp rearranged some electrons to
write:

boomer120 wrote:
On 5/28/2014 9:06 AM, Channel Jumper wrote:
John D;819709 Wrote:
Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

Look at this-

As far as the Ozone is concerned, NORAD built a 5 Billion Watt
transmitter in the Arctic and found that they could blast holes in it.
What did they find? Well that Ozone is comprised of the little ion's
of energy that the sun gives off and that it recombines at night and
can rebuild itself in as little as 12 hours..

Maybe what these people are seeing is the effects of a directed array
burning off the Ozone in a certain area - it would be a very effective
way to starve out an enemy or at least make it unbearable to live
there...




5 Billion watts. What a large number channel jumper. Do you have any
evidence for this or are you just stupid?

If you are going to make something up, please make it more fun to read.
Why not 100 trillion watts.


Channel Humper is confused yet again.

He is babbling about HAARP, which was a DARPA project, not NORAD, has
3.6 MW transmitters and because of antenna gain has an ERP of 5.1 GW,
which BTW is still many orders of magnitude below the energy level of
the Sun, and does effect the ionssphere but does not "blast holes" in
the ozone.


And, it is being shut down.

http://www.adn.com/2014/05/14/347044...dismantle.html

[email protected] May 31st 14 09:12 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 
David wrote:
At Fri, 30 May 2014 17:47:22 +0000, jimp rearranged some electrons to
write:

boomer120 wrote:
On 5/28/2014 9:06 AM, Channel Jumper wrote:
John D;819709 Wrote:
Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

Look at this-

As far as the Ozone is concerned, NORAD built a 5 Billion Watt
transmitter in the Arctic and found that they could blast holes in it.
What did they find? Well that Ozone is comprised of the little ion's
of energy that the sun gives off and that it recombines at night and
can rebuild itself in as little as 12 hours..

Maybe what these people are seeing is the effects of a directed array
burning off the Ozone in a certain area - it would be a very effective
way to starve out an enemy or at least make it unbearable to live
there...




5 Billion watts. What a large number channel jumper. Do you have any
evidence for this or are you just stupid?

If you are going to make something up, please make it more fun to read.
Why not 100 trillion watts.


Channel Humper is confused yet again.

He is babbling about HAARP, which was a DARPA project, not NORAD, has
3.6 MW transmitters and because of antenna gain has an ERP of 5.1 GW,
which BTW is still many orders of magnitude below the energy level of
the Sun, and does effect the ionssphere but does not "blast holes" in
the ozone.


And, it is being shut down.

http://www.adn.com/2014/05/14/347044...dismantle.html


Actually it was shut down in May of 2013 and it was thought there would
be more activity sponsored by someone else later, but that didn't happen.

Now the Air Force is going to gather up it's toys and go home.


--
Jim Pennino

David[_17_] June 1st 14 04:54 AM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle,how stupid can someone be ?
 
At Sat, 31 May 2014 20:12:41 +0000, jimp rearranged some electrons to
write:

David wrote:
At Fri, 30 May 2014 17:47:22 +0000, jimp rearranged some electrons to
write:

boomer120 wrote:
On 5/28/2014 9:06 AM, Channel Jumper wrote:
John D;819709 Wrote:
Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints:
---


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

Look at this-

As far as the Ozone is concerned, NORAD built a 5 Billion Watt
transmitter in the Arctic and found that they could blast holes in
it.
What did they find? Well that Ozone is comprised of the little
ion's of energy that the sun gives off and that it recombines at
night and can rebuild itself in as little as 12 hours..

Maybe what these people are seeing is the effects of a directed
array burning off the Ozone in a certain area - it would be a very
effective way to starve out an enemy or at least make it unbearable
to live there...




5 Billion watts. What a large number channel jumper. Do you have any
evidence for this or are you just stupid?

If you are going to make something up, please make it more fun to
read.
Why not 100 trillion watts.

Channel Humper is confused yet again.

He is babbling about HAARP, which was a DARPA project, not NORAD, has
3.6 MW transmitters and because of antenna gain has an ERP of 5.1 GW,
which BTW is still many orders of magnitude below the energy level of
the Sun, and does effect the ionssphere but does not "blast holes" in
the ozone.


And, it is being shut down.

http://www.adn.com/2014/05/14/347044...e-prepares-to-

dismantle.html

Actually it was shut down in May of 2013 and it was thought there would
be more activity sponsored by someone else later, but that didn't
happen.


Not exactly. DARPA has been running an experiment there, but they are
wrapping it up.

Now the Air Force is going to gather up it's toys and go home.


Within a few weeks if someone doesn't come up with the funds to keep it
going.



Bob[_32_] June 8th 14 07:42 AM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 
On Sat, 31 May 2014 20:12:41 -0000, wrote:

David wrote:
At Fri, 30 May 2014 17:47:22 +0000, jimp rearranged some electrons to
write:

boomer120 wrote:
On 5/28/2014 9:06 AM, Channel Jumper wrote:
John D;819709 Wrote:
Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

Look at this-

As far as the Ozone is concerned, NORAD built a 5 Billion Watt
transmitter in the Arctic and found that they could blast holes in it.
What did they find? Well that Ozone is comprised of the little ion's
of energy that the sun gives off and that it recombines at night and
can rebuild itself in as little as 12 hours..

Maybe what these people are seeing is the effects of a directed array
burning off the Ozone in a certain area - it would be a very effective
way to starve out an enemy or at least make it unbearable to live
there...




5 Billion watts. What a large number channel jumper. Do you have any
evidence for this or are you just stupid?

If you are going to make something up, please make it more fun to read.
Why not 100 trillion watts.

Channel Humper is confused yet again.

He is babbling about HAARP, which was a DARPA project, not NORAD, has
3.6 MW transmitters and because of antenna gain has an ERP of 5.1 GW,
which BTW is still many orders of magnitude below the energy level of
the Sun, and does effect the ionssphere but does not "blast holes" in
the ozone.


And, it is being shut down.

http://www.adn.com/2014/05/14/347044...dismantle.html


Actually it was shut down in May of 2013 and it was thought there would
be more activity sponsored by someone else later, but that didn't happen.

Now the Air Force is going to gather up it's toys and go home.


It makes me wonder what they have to replace it. I doubt they would abandon such
a powerful tool without having something to replace it. Newer tech, smaller more
compact design, possibly even a mobile installation? HAARP has been blamed for
many different effects over the years it has been active. Weather, geologic
events, health effects, just to name a few of the areas HAARP has been blamed
for causing problems. Without proof, I don't give any of them much importance.
The question is however, what have they replaced HAARP with?

I would love to be able to sift through all the equipment and antennas no longer
being used by HAARP. With the conditions being so poor compared with what the
potential is, I could use more power, be it from amplification or antenna gain -
more power!

Ian Jackson[_2_] June 8th 14 11:27 AM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 
In message , Bob
writes
On Sat, 31 May 2014 20:12:41 -0000, wrote:

David wrote:
At Fri, 30 May 2014 17:47:22 +0000, jimp rearranged some electrons to
write:

boomer120 wrote:
On 5/28/2014 9:06 AM, Channel Jumper wrote:
John D;819709 Wrote:
Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: ---


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

Look at this-

As far as the Ozone is concerned, NORAD built a 5 Billion Watt
transmitter in the Arctic and found that they could blast holes in it.
What did they find? Well that Ozone is comprised of the little ion's
of energy that the sun gives off and that it recombines at night and
can rebuild itself in as little as 12 hours..

Maybe what these people are seeing is the effects of a directed array
burning off the Ozone in a certain area - it would be a very effective
way to starve out an enemy or at least make it unbearable to live
there...




5 Billion watts. What a large number channel jumper. Do you have any
evidence for this or are you just stupid?

If you are going to make something up, please make it more fun to read.
Why not 100 trillion watts.

Channel Humper is confused yet again.

He is babbling about HAARP, which was a DARPA project, not NORAD, has
3.6 MW transmitters and because of antenna gain has an ERP of 5.1 GW,
which BTW is still many orders of magnitude below the energy level of
the Sun, and does effect the ionssphere but does not "blast holes" in
the ozone.

And, it is being shut down.

http://www.adn.com/2014/05/14/347044...dismantle.html


Actually it was shut down in May of 2013 and it was thought there would
be more activity sponsored by someone else later, but that didn't happen.

Now the Air Force is going to gather up it's toys and go home.


It makes me wonder what they have to replace it. I doubt they would
abandon such
a powerful tool without having something to replace it. Newer tech,
smaller more
compact design, possibly even a mobile installation? HAARP has been blamed for
many different effects over the years it has been active. Weather, geologic
events, health effects, just to name a few of the areas HAARP has been blamed
for causing problems. Without proof, I don't give any of them much importance.
The question is however, what have they replaced HAARP with?

I would love to be able to sift through all the equipment and antennas
no longer
being used by HAARP. With the conditions being so poor compared with what the
potential is, I could use more power, be it from amplification or
antenna gain -
more power!


Is HAARP actually used for anything (eg to enhance HF propagation when
required) - or is it essentially for experimentation and research?
--
Ian

Jerry Stuckle June 8th 14 01:52 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle,how stupid can someone be ?
 
On 6/8/2014 6:27 AM, Ian Jackson wrote:
In message , Bob
writes
On Sat, 31 May 2014 20:12:41 -0000, wrote:

David wrote:
At Fri, 30 May 2014 17:47:22 +0000, jimp rearranged some electrons to
write:

boomer120 wrote:
On 5/28/2014 9:06 AM, Channel Jumper wrote:
John D;819709 Wrote:
Nothing to be found in the main stream media except this one:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=vTiH6Itu_aQ

(because you else will find out that CO2 tax is utterly bogus)

--- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints:
---


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtra...spiracy_theory

Look at this-

As far as the Ozone is concerned, NORAD built a 5 Billion Watt
transmitter in the Arctic and found that they could blast holes
in it.
What did they find? Well that Ozone is comprised of the little
ion's
of energy that the sun gives off and that it recombines at night and
can rebuild itself in as little as 12 hours..

Maybe what these people are seeing is the effects of a directed
array
burning off the Ozone in a certain area - it would be a very
effective
way to starve out an enemy or at least make it unbearable to live
there...




5 Billion watts. What a large number channel jumper. Do you have any
evidence for this or are you just stupid?

If you are going to make something up, please make it more fun to
read.
Why not 100 trillion watts.

Channel Humper is confused yet again.

He is babbling about HAARP, which was a DARPA project, not NORAD, has
3.6 MW transmitters and because of antenna gain has an ERP of 5.1 GW,
which BTW is still many orders of magnitude below the energy level of
the Sun, and does effect the ionssphere but does not "blast holes" in
the ozone.

And, it is being shut down.

http://www.adn.com/2014/05/14/347044...dismantle.html


Actually it was shut down in May of 2013 and it was thought there would
be more activity sponsored by someone else later, but that didn't
happen.

Now the Air Force is going to gather up it's toys and go home.


It makes me wonder what they have to replace it. I doubt they would
abandon such
a powerful tool without having something to replace it. Newer tech,
smaller more
compact design, possibly even a mobile installation? HAARP has been
blamed for
many different effects over the years it has been active. Weather,
geologic
events, health effects, just to name a few of the areas HAARP has been
blamed
for causing problems. Without proof, I don't give any of them much
importance.
The question is however, what have they replaced HAARP with?

I would love to be able to sift through all the equipment and antennas
no longer
being used by HAARP. With the conditions being so poor compared with
what the
potential is, I could use more power, be it from amplification or
antenna gain -
more power!


Is HAARP actually used for anything (eg to enhance HF propagation when
required) - or is it essentially for experimentation and research?


I thought it was strictly for research - to find out more about the
ionosphere and ionizing effects. But with the cutback in military
spending, a lot of research (and other programs) are being dropped.
HAARP just happens to be the most visible to hams.

Jerry, AI0K


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Jerry Stuckle

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[email protected] June 8th 14 05:38 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 
Bob wrote:
On Sat, 31 May 2014 20:12:41 -0000, wrote:


snip

Actually it was shut down in May of 2013 and it was thought there would
be more activity sponsored by someone else later, but that didn't happen.

Now the Air Force is going to gather up it's toys and go home.


It makes me wonder what they have to replace it. I doubt they would
abandon such
a powerful tool without having something to replace it. Newer tech,
smaller more


Well, it looks like they are.

It was a research project and there is no more funding.

compact design, possibly even a mobile installation? HAARP has been


How does one make an antenna array that is 33 acres in size mobile?

blamed for
many different effects over the years it has been active. Weather, geologic
events, health effects, just to name a few of the areas HAARP has been blamed
for causing problems. Without proof, I don't give any of them much importance.
The question is however, what have they replaced HAARP with?


Nothing; once again it was a research project and there is no more funding.

I would love to be able to sift through all the equipment and antennas no
longer
being used by HAARP. With the conditions being so poor compared with what the
potential is, I could use more power, be it from amplification or antenna gain -
more power!


Yeah, the five 2.5 megawatt generators driven by diesel locomotive engines
would be handy around the house during power failures...



--
Jim Pennino

John D. June 9th 14 06:09 PM

If somebody believes that we are in the peak of a solarcycle, how stupid can someone be ?
 

Gee, are these people simple..

Never heard about the Norwegian HAARP ??

www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=9557

And there are several more of them. So powerfull you can see the beam trace !























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