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On 11/21/2014 6:40 PM, wrote:
On Friday, November 21, 2014 5:31:52 PM UTC-6, wrote:

Sal has not "been here for quite a while" - as a search of Google Groups
proves.

He most certainly has. A *whole lot* longer than you have, which as far
as I can remember has been a couple of years or so. I've been here since
the later 1990's, and Google likely does not show me going back that far
either. It's not a reliable source being as they seem to have culled a
lot of older posts.

Also, if one changes their email address, that would be a reason
they would not show up. I show myself going back to 2000, but I've
actually been here longer than that. It seems my mid-late 1990's posts
runnoft for some reason.


Gee, excuses, excuses. Or maybe you aren't what you claim. Email
addresses don't affect user names. Now if you faked your user name,
that's another story.

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 5:06 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 12:45 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

snip

You know enough to copy and paste a chart. That's all. You have no
idea *what the chart shows*.

That sounds a lot like a straw man argument to me and you repeatedly
refuse to address what it is that the chart does show.

Those are two traits of a real troll.

snip


I've tried explaining it to you in the past. But you discard any
attempts at proof I provide. So don't try to tell me I haven't provided
any proof.

All you have provided as proof is "I got a WAS" which is NOT proof
of antenna performance.




It is more proof that you have that your figures are wrong!

A QSL card has no figures other than the usual 59 for both ends.

And actual propagation reports are more accurate than theoretical charts.

A QSL card has no figures other than the usual 59 for both ends.

But you're always right. And you discount anything that disagrees with
your fantasies.


But you're always right. And you discount anything that disagrees with
your fantasies.

If you want REAL propagation reports with REAL numbers, than use
http://pskreporter.info/pskmap.html



--
Jim Pennino

A dipole over ground
 

On 11/21/2014 8:13 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 5:06 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 12:45 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

snip

You know enough to copy and paste a chart. That's all. You have no
idea *what the chart shows*.

That sounds a lot like a straw man argument to me and you repeatedly
refuse to address what it is that the chart does show.

Those are two traits of a real troll.

snip


I've tried explaining it to you in the past. But you discard any
attempts at proof I provide. So don't try to tell me I haven't provided
any proof.

All you have provided as proof is "I got a WAS" which is NOT proof
of antenna performance.




It is more proof that you have that your figures are wrong!

A QSL card has no figures other than the usual 59 for both ends.

And actual propagation reports are more accurate than theoretical charts.

A QSL card has no figures other than the usual 59 for both ends.


This right here shows you how wrong you are.

But you're always right. And you discount anything that disagrees with
your fantasies.


But you're always right. And you discount anything that disagrees with
your fantasies.

If you want REAL propagation reports with REAL numbers, than use
http://pskreporter.info/pskmap.html



LOL, you refuse to accept REAL reports because they contradict your
fantasies.

So, tell me. If my antenna "sucked", how did I work Alaska and Hawaii
from Iowa? In fact, how did I work California and Massachusetts?
According to you, it should have been impossible because my antenna
"sucked".

Heck - I shouldn't have even been able to work another Iowa station 100
mi. away!

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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry, AI0K

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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 8:13 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 5:06 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 12:45 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

snip

You know enough to copy and paste a chart. That's all. You have no
idea *what the chart shows*.

That sounds a lot like a straw man argument to me and you repeatedly
refuse to address what it is that the chart does show.

Those are two traits of a real troll.

snip


I've tried explaining it to you in the past. But you discard any
attempts at proof I provide. So don't try to tell me I haven't provided
any proof.

All you have provided as proof is "I got a WAS" which is NOT proof
of antenna performance.




It is more proof that you have that your figures are wrong!

A QSL card has no figures other than the usual 59 for both ends.

And actual propagation reports are more accurate than theoretical charts.

A QSL card has no figures other than the usual 59 for both ends.


This right here shows you how wrong you are.

But you're always right. And you discount anything that disagrees with
your fantasies.


But you're always right. And you discount anything that disagrees with
your fantasies.

If you want REAL propagation reports with REAL numbers, than use
http://pskreporter.info/pskmap.html



LOL, you refuse to accept REAL reports because they contradict your
fantasies.

A REAL report would be what you get from pskreporter which has numbers
coming from a computer based measurement in dB, not just some guy saying
"59".

So, tell me. If my antenna "sucked", how did I work Alaska and Hawaii
from Iowa? In fact, how did I work California and Massachusetts?
According to you, it should have been impossible because my antenna
"sucked".

I have never said anything is impossible; you are delusional.


--
Jim Pennino

A dipole over ground
 

On 11/21/2014 8:54 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 8:13 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 5:06 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 11/21/2014 12:45 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote:

snip

You know enough to copy and paste a chart. That's all. You have no
idea *what the chart shows*.

That sounds a lot like a straw man argument to me and you repeatedly
refuse to address what it is that the chart does show.

Those are two traits of a real troll.

snip


I've tried explaining it to you in the past. But you discard any
attempts at proof I provide. So don't try to tell me I haven't provided
any proof.

All you have provided as proof is "I got a WAS" which is NOT proof
of antenna performance.




It is more proof that you have that your figures are wrong!

A QSL card has no figures other than the usual 59 for both ends.

And actual propagation reports are more accurate than theoretical charts.

A QSL card has no figures other than the usual 59 for both ends.


This right here shows you how wrong you are.

But you're always right. And you discount anything that disagrees with
your fantasies.


But you're always right. And you discount anything that disagrees with
your fantasies.

If you want REAL propagation reports with REAL numbers, than use
http://pskreporter.info/pskmap.html



LOL, you refuse to accept REAL reports because they contradict your
fantasies.

A REAL report would be what you get from pskreporter which has numbers
coming from a computer based measurement in dB, not just some guy saying
"59".

So, tell me. If my antenna "sucked", how did I work Alaska and Hawaii
from Iowa? In fact, how did I work California and Massachusetts?
According to you, it should have been impossible because my antenna
"sucked".

I have never said anything is impossible; you are delusional.



So you say that reports of a strong signal all over the state prove your
theory - but reports from all over the world are worthless because they
are not "propagation reports". IOW, reports which support your
fantasies are fine, but those which do no support your theories don't
count. Talk about selective bias!

And no - you didn't say it was impossible. But I still challenge you to
show how I could do that if my antenna "sucked". After all - it was
just an inverted VEE, apex at 50', ends basically at ground level.
According to you, I shouldn't have been able to work farther than Omaha.
Yet I worked both coasts virtually every night in the winter time.

So tell me, how could such an antenna that "sucks" according to your own
words, work?

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Jerry, AI0K

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On 17/11/2014 19:34, John S wrote:
This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical
knowledge up to child molestation.

--

Brian Gregory (in the UK).
To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address.

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Brian Gregory wrote:
On 17/11/2014 19:34, John S wrote:
This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical knowledge
up to child molestation.

Which is why there's a CFV open in uk.net.news.config to create a moderated
version where such madness cannot take root.

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

A dipole over ground
 

On 2/12/2014 4:52 PM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Brian Gregory wrote:

Which is why there's a CFV open in uk.net.news.config to create a moderated
version where such madness cannot take root.

I wish it were true but a determined fool can damage anything including
a moderated , I seriously might have to plonk sticky as the man is
digging an even deeper rut

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atec77 wrote:
On 2/12/2014 4:52 PM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Brian Gregory wrote:

Which is why there's a CFV open in uk.net.news.config to create a moderated
version where such madness cannot take root.

I wish it were true but a determined fool can damage anything including a
moderated , I seriously might have to plonk sticky as the man is digging an even deeper rut

Perhaps, but the general ambience of a moderated group should be
significantly more pleasant than the open sewer that uk.radio.amateur has
been for a decade and that several groups in rra.* are threatening to
become.

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

A dipole over ground
 

On 2/12/2014 6:08 PM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
atec77 wrote:
On 2/12/2014 4:52 PM, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Brian Gregory wrote:

Which is why there's a CFV open in uk.net.news.config to create a moderated
version where such madness cannot take root.

I wish it were true but a determined fool can damage anything including a
moderated , I seriously might have to plonk sticky as the man is digging an even deeper rut

Perhaps, but the general ambience of a moderated group should be
significantly more pleasant than the open sewer that uk.radio.amateur has
been for a decade and that several groups in rra.* are threatening to
become.

you are correct of course , kinda ""be careful what you wish for""

A dipole over ground
 

On 2/12/2014 10:07 AM, Brian Gregory wrote:
On 17/11/2014 19:34, John S wrote:
This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical
knowledge up to child molestation.

The degree of discourse and the manner of presentation in that group
might well be a social malady regarding the population of the island
and specific social ineptitude .

not that there is anything wrong with that (sic)

A dipole over ground
 

"Brian Gregory" wrote in message
...

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical knowledge
up to child molestation.

It has certainly become a cesspit since you joined two years ago and
made it so. You arrived seeking advice, which was freely given to you,
although you ignored it; then you set out on a campaign of drawing
attention to yourself by picking on each established radio amateur
in turn and subjecting him to the most appalling vendetta of one
offensive remark after another, despite that you had no standing
yourself either through having no licence, or the CB-equivalent
Fools' Licence.

It has been suggested many times that if you alone were to decamp
from ura, then things would improve no end.

However, if someone demonstrates a "simple lack of technical
knowledge" then he has no place in a NG for amateur radio, for,
unlike CB Radio which is the operator's hobby for those who buy their
riges off the shelf and send then back if ever needing repair*****, Amateur
Radio is a whole-life technical pursuit for those who are motivated
by technical interest and curiosity.

***** Notwithstanding that there are legions of
CBers-masquerading-as-radio-amateurs
polluting the bands these days, many even with the Yank Extra Class Licence
or the
Brit Full Licence.

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Apologies, I thought that I was responding to M6CIR and not you, Brian.

"gareth" wrote in message
...
"Brian Gregory" wrote in message
...

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical knowledge
up to child molestation.

It has certainly become a cesspit since you joined two years ago and
made it so. You arrived seeking advice, which was freely given to you,
although you ignored it; then you set out on a campaign of drawing
attention to yourself by picking on each established radio amateur
in turn and subjecting him to the most appalling vendetta of one
offensive remark after another, despite that you had no standing
yourself either through having no licence, or the CB-equivalent
Fools' Licence.

It has been suggested many times that if you alone were to decamp
from ura, then things would improve no end.

However, if someone demonstrates a "simple lack of technical
knowledge" then he has no place in a NG for amateur radio, for,
unlike CB Radio which is the operator's hobby for those who buy their
riges off the shelf and send then back if ever needing repair*****,
Amateur
Radio is a whole-life technical pursuit for those who are motivated
by technical interest and curiosity.

***** Notwithstanding that there are legions of
CBers-masquerading-as-radio-amateurs
polluting the bands these days, many even with the Yank Extra Class
Licence or the
Brit Full Licence.

A dipole over ground
 

On Tue, 2 Dec 2014, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 17/11/2014 19:34, John S wrote:
This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical knowledge
up to child molestation.

Which is why there's a CFV open in uk.net.news.config to create a moderated
version where such madness cannot take root.

And it's not going to solve our problem, which is only a problem when the
UK spills over into the international groups.

You keep crossposting your little announcements, so we see the spew as a
result. If nobody cross-posted to the UK group, much of this would
disappear, unless you people are actually leaving the UK group to stalk
others who come here.

Michael

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Michael Black wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 17/11/2014 19:34, John S wrote:
This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical knowledge
up to child molestation.

Which is why there's a CFV open in uk.net.news.config to create a moderated
version where such madness cannot take root.

And it's not going to solve our problem, which is only a problem when the
UK spills over into the international groups.


--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

A dipole over ground
 

Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:
Michael Black wrote:
On Tue, 2 Dec 2014, Stephen Thomas Cole wrote:

Brian Gregory wrote:
On 17/11/2014 19:34, John S wrote:
This is why this group is suffering. Individually, not because of you,
Jim, nor you Jerry. But, together you both have some kind of need to
insult each other for at least 14 posts. Each of you seem to have the
kind of ego that will not allow the other to have the last word.

By your actions, you run other innocent posters away. What the hell is
wrong with saying, "Ok, you disagree with me. I disagree with you, as
well. So what? Let's get on with the discussion."

You both have technical knowledge to share with those us who have less
knowledge than the two of you. Can't you find a way to help us instead
of fighting?

You should see uk.radio.amateur -- it's like a cesspit of weirdos all
accusing each other of everything from simple lack of technical knowledge
up to child molestation.

Which is why there's a CFV open in uk.net.news.config to create a moderated
version where such madness cannot take root.

And it's not going to solve our problem, which is only a problem when the
UK spills over into the international groups.


Sent too soon!

What I was going to say is; No, the moderated group won't instantly stop
the spillover but, overtime, the moderated group will allow the heat to die
down in ukra, leading to less squabbles and less spillover.

It's worth noting that there's only one person who regularly crossposts;
Gareth. He does it to fire up a ****storm, and usually succeeds.

--
Stephen Thomas Cole // Sent from my iPhone

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"Stephen Thomas Cole" wrote in message
...
It's worth noting that there's only one person who regularly crossposts;
Gareth. He does it to fire up a ****storm, and usually succeeds.

I wish to discuss things of a technical nature that interest me, but those
who do not understand the material proclaim that it is there to stir up
a hornets' nest and thereby seek to justify their own ad hominem attacks.

Physician, heal thyself