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Jim[_21_] April 27th 15 09:28 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA

Jerry Stuckle April 27th 15 09:58 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On 4/27/2015 4:28 PM, Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA


The first thing you need to do is check the law. In the United States,
it would be illegal to add an external antenna to most (if not all)
routers. I don't know if the same situation exists in the U.K.

Would it be possible for you to place it somewhere high, like in an attic?

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Jim[_21_] April 27th 15 10:52 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On 27/04/2015 21:58, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 4/27/2015 4:28 PM, Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA

The first thing you need to do is check the law. In the United States,
it would be illegal to add an external antenna to most (if not all)
routers. I don't know if the same situation exists in the U.K.

Would it be possible for you to place it somewhere high, like in an attic?

Not to sure on legal side in the UK, I presume it's ok in the US as i
have seen this video on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yXbWV1vsco
and that has external sockets built in, so i presume law is fine with it
in the US.

I am on the top floor of a 2 story block and have access to a T&K
bracket and about a 15-20 foot pole, so height should not be an issue,
but before i went to the hassle of getting someone in to mount it (i
can't due to disability) I want to make sure it can be done and buy the
right equipment.

Jim

Jim[_21_] April 28th 15 12:50 AM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On 27/04/2015 21:28, Jim wrote:

I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post the
links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard of
this being done in the UK?

TIA


OK here is the links to the images, sorry they are not great but not
taken with the best phone

http://s26.postimg.org/tjmr1m9a1/IMG...018_172910.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/4cbv1d661/IMG...018_172958.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/4rn4uds3d/IMG...018_173125.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/t9f8i9unt/IMG...018_182850.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/ca6a30jg9/IMG...018_183000.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/mya11utfd/IMG...018_183005.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/ypxwcno1l/IMG...018_183253.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/z1fcpf4hl/IMG...018_183259.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/3kdsfwrcp/IMG...018_183308.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/n3idp9q49/IMG...018_183358.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/qcwsvqe7t/IMG...018_183405.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/qoe98hunt/IMG...018_183418.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/w2d1g1ke1/IMG...018_183421.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/7zw7l63qx/IMG...018_183641.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/qti0i61yx/IMG...018_183647.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/f5nynmcu1/IMG...018_183657.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/6oogcp855/IMG...018_183716.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/ju3yit20p/IMG...018_213911.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/wo6lpw4u1/IMG...018_213915.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/p6xeaofax/IMG...018_213921.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/owpvrc0op/IMG...018_213928.jpg
http://s26.postimg.org/y5s21g9kp/IMG...018_214501.jpg

Jerry Stuckle April 28th 15 02:04 AM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On 4/27/2015 5:52 PM, Jim wrote:
On 27/04/2015 21:58, Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 4/27/2015 4:28 PM, Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA

The first thing you need to do is check the law. In the United States,
it would be illegal to add an external antenna to most (if not all)
routers. I don't know if the same situation exists in the U.K.

Would it be possible for you to place it somewhere high, like in an
attic?

Not to sure on legal side in the UK, I presume it's ok in the US as i
have seen this video on youtube
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3yXbWV1vsco
and that has external sockets built in, so i presume law is fine with it
in the US.


Don't be on it. Just because you see it on the Internet does not mean
it's legal. There is a lot of illegal Chinese crap being sold to
unsuspecting Americans. In fact, just a few months ago, a Chinese
company ways fined several million dollars for selling illegal equipment
in the U.S.

Also, just because one piece of equipment is legal for an external
antenna does NOT mean another piece also is legal. And even if it is
legal in the U.S., the U.K. has an entirely different set of laws. What
is legal in one country may or may not be in the other.

I am on the top floor of a 2 story block and have access to a T&K
bracket and about a 15-20 foot pole, so height should not be an issue,
but before i went to the hassle of getting someone in to mount it (i
can't due to disability) I want to make sure it can be done and buy the
right equipment.

Jim


No, I am saying mount the modem in the attic, not an external antenna.

Before you get a big fine from OFCOM I would recommend you check the
legality. I suspect you will find what you want to do is NOT legal -
which is why your modem does not have an external antenna jack.

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Brian Reay[_5_] April 28th 15 11:29 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On 27/04/15 21:28, Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA


I use one on my mobilehome (RV for our US readers) with my Huawi MiFi
4G/3G. The whip is mounted on a Panorama base (from a PMR whip) on the
luggage rack (specifically fitted to mount antennas) and the cable run
into the habitation area. A short adaptor lead goes from the BNC to the
proper connector for the MiFi (I can't recall the type, TS9?). I
generally gain several 'bars' on the 'S meter' on the setup page.

Previously I used one of the tiny antennas of Ebay sitting on the roof
with a 3G Mifi, it gave a useful increase in performance (unusable
outside the motorhome without the antenna to reliable inside with it). I
replaced it as I wanted a fixed set up which would work when driving
(not for the driver!).

Geoffrey S. Mendelson April 29th 15 01:29 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?


I did the same for a friend using a Huawei E169 USB dongle with an external
antenna socket. She lived in a basement and had no signal on her cell
phone.

The best results we go was with "15dBi GSM/3G/UMTS panel antenna with
extension cable 5m + RP-SMA female to CRC9" from eBay, for about $50
including postage.

You can buy LTE (4G) dongles from eBay with external antenna sockets.

Just make sure they support the bands used in London, the antenna
matches the bands, and the connector on the cable matches the dongle.

This does require a computer to be used as a router, or a MiFi which
has a USB socket for you to provide your own dongle.

The other (probably cheaper) option is to find a cheap smartphone with an
antenna socket and use wifi tethering. Or if it is just a problem with your
home and holding the phone up to the window works, get a roll of duct tape.
:-)

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379


Jeff Liebermann[_2_] April 29th 15 11:34 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:28:36 +0100, Jim
wrote:

Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.


I'm bored. OT will have to suffice.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?


I once did some experiments with cell phone antenna couplers. Phones
were arriving which did not have a projecting antenna or any easy
method of attaching an external antenna. The trick was to design a
phone base that included some kind of coupler that did not require any
connection or modification to the phone (or the FCC would reject it
for type certification).

The initial design was for 1900 Mhz only, but later mutations covered
both 800 and 1900. In Europe, that would be 1800 and 900 MHz. I
tried patch, loop, resonant loop, slot, cavity backed resonator, along
with various reflectors. All of them were lossy. In the near field,
all acted more like capacitors and xformers than antennas. So, the
executive decision was to use the simplest, easiest, and cheapest,
which was the loop. Second best was a 1/2 dipole, which was
problematic due to its length.

I don't know what frequency your Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN operates on 4G:
http://www.gemtek.com.tw/pro_LTE_WLTFSR.htm
but when you find out, just cut a length of wire 1 wavelength long,
make a loop in almost any shape, and place it as close to the internal
antenna as possible. The impedance will be about 100 ohms, so use 75
ohm CATV coax (RG-6/u) to the antenna. Never mind the mismatch at
both the antenna and the loop. It's not worth the hassle matching it.
You'll need to move the loop around the case to find the best pickup
point. When you find it, tape it in place.

I'm not sure what to recommend for the outside antenna. Much depends
on the frequency of operation. In the US, most of the 4G stuff is
moving to 700 MHz, leaving 800/1900 for voice and 3G data. Therefore,
a single band 700 MHz antenna would be required for the US. No clue
for the UK (and I'm too lazy to look it up). If it is single band, a
simple patch antenna will get you about 8dBi gain. If you want more,
look into yagi, corner reflector, or dish antennas. I'm partial to
AMOS/Franklin antennas, but if your UK 4G system uses polarization
based spatial diversity for MIMO, a single linear polarized antenna
will limit your maximum download speed. This is probably more than
you want to deal with, so I suggest starting with a simple 1/2 wave
dipole and escalate as needed.

Good luck.




--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jim[_21_] April 30th 15 12:44 AM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On 29/04/2015 23:34, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:28:36 +0100, Jim
wrote:

Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

I'm bored. OT will have to suffice.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

I once did some experiments with cell phone antenna couplers. Phones
were arriving which did not have a projecting antenna or any easy
method of attaching an external antenna. The trick was to design a
phone base that included some kind of coupler that did not require any
connection or modification to the phone (or the FCC would reject it
for type certification).

The initial design was for 1900 Mhz only, but later mutations covered
both 800 and 1900. In Europe, that would be 1800 and 900 MHz. I
tried patch, loop, resonant loop, slot, cavity backed resonator, along
with various reflectors. All of them were lossy. In the near field,
all acted more like capacitors and xformers than antennas. So, the
executive decision was to use the simplest, easiest, and cheapest,
which was the loop. Second best was a 1/2 dipole, which was
problematic due to its length.

I don't know what frequency your Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN operates on 4G:
http://www.gemtek.com.tw/pro_LTE_WLTFSR.htm
but when you find out, just cut a length of wire 1 wavelength long,
make a loop in almost any shape, and place it as close to the internal
antenna as possible. The impedance will be about 100 ohms, so use 75
ohm CATV coax (RG-6/u) to the antenna. Never mind the mismatch at
both the antenna and the loop. It's not worth the hassle matching it.
You'll need to move the loop around the case to find the best pickup
point. When you find it, tape it in place.

I'm not sure what to recommend for the outside antenna. Much depends
on the frequency of operation. In the US, most of the 4G stuff is
moving to 700 MHz, leaving 800/1900 for voice and 3G data. Therefore,
a single band 700 MHz antenna would be required for the US. No clue
for the UK (and I'm too lazy to look it up). If it is single band, a
simple patch antenna will get you about 8dBi gain. If you want more,
look into yagi, corner reflector, or dish antennas. I'm partial to
AMOS/Franklin antennas, but if your UK 4G system uses polarization
based spatial diversity for MIMO, a single linear polarized antenna
will limit your maximum download speed. This is probably more than
you want to deal with, so I suggest starting with a simple 1/2 wave
dipole and escalate as needed.

Good luck.




Thanks for the reply, I have been looking into it a bit more and it
seems they use 124Mhz in the LTE bands of 43 and 43 which is about
3.5GHz and 3.6GHz

Jeff Liebermann[_2_] April 30th 15 03:27 AM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On Thu, 30 Apr 2015 00:44:19 +0100, Jim
wrote:

Thanks for the reply, I have been looking into it a bit more and it
seems they use 124Mhz in the LTE bands of 43 and 43 which is about
3.5GHz and 3.6GHz


http://www.ukbroadband.com/4g-networks
http://www.ukbroadband.com/relish
https://www1.relish.net
You're right. 3500/3700 MHz.

I don't think you'll find a commercial antenna that covers that range.
You'll probably end up building something.

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558

Jerry Stuckle April 30th 15 03:33 AM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On 4/29/2015 7:44 PM, Jim wrote:
On 29/04/2015 23:34, Jeff Liebermann wrote:
On Mon, 27 Apr 2015 21:28:36 +0100, Jim
wrote:

Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

I'm bored. OT will have to suffice.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

I once did some experiments with cell phone antenna couplers. Phones
were arriving which did not have a projecting antenna or any easy
method of attaching an external antenna. The trick was to design a
phone base that included some kind of coupler that did not require any
connection or modification to the phone (or the FCC would reject it
for type certification).

The initial design was for 1900 Mhz only, but later mutations covered
both 800 and 1900. In Europe, that would be 1800 and 900 MHz. I
tried patch, loop, resonant loop, slot, cavity backed resonator, along
with various reflectors. All of them were lossy. In the near field,
all acted more like capacitors and xformers than antennas. So, the
executive decision was to use the simplest, easiest, and cheapest,
which was the loop. Second best was a 1/2 dipole, which was
problematic due to its length.

I don't know what frequency your Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN operates on 4G:
http://www.gemtek.com.tw/pro_LTE_WLTFSR.htm
but when you find out, just cut a length of wire 1 wavelength long,
make a loop in almost any shape, and place it as close to the internal
antenna as possible. The impedance will be about 100 ohms, so use 75
ohm CATV coax (RG-6/u) to the antenna. Never mind the mismatch at
both the antenna and the loop. It's not worth the hassle matching it.
You'll need to move the loop around the case to find the best pickup
point. When you find it, tape it in place.

I'm not sure what to recommend for the outside antenna. Much depends
on the frequency of operation. In the US, most of the 4G stuff is
moving to 700 MHz, leaving 800/1900 for voice and 3G data. Therefore,
a single band 700 MHz antenna would be required for the US. No clue
for the UK (and I'm too lazy to look it up). If it is single band, a
simple patch antenna will get you about 8dBi gain. If you want more,
look into yagi, corner reflector, or dish antennas. I'm partial to
AMOS/Franklin antennas, but if your UK 4G system uses polarization
based spatial diversity for MIMO, a single linear polarized antenna
will limit your maximum download speed. This is probably more than
you want to deal with, so I suggest starting with a simple 1/2 wave
dipole and escalate as needed.

Good luck.




Thanks for the reply, I have been looking into it a bit more and it
seems they use 124Mhz in the LTE bands of 43 and 43 which is about
3.5GHz and 3.6GHz


If you're talking LTE, that is different than WiFi. One will not work
on the other.

There are cell phone boosters which are legal in the United States (we
sell come ourselves), which will extend your range. But I don't know
which ones are legal in the U.K.

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Remove the "x" from my email address
Jerry Stuckle

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Geoffrey S. Mendelson May 3rd 15 05:12 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
Jim wrote:
Thanks for the reply, I have been looking into it a bit more and it
seems they use 124Mhz in the LTE bands of 43 and 43 which is about
3.5GHz and 3.6GHz


That's a dead or dying WiMax band. Plenty of antennas on eBay, starting
at $10.

Geoff.

--
Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379


Airpoint March 31st 16 07:33 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 9:28:56 PM UTC+1, Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA


Hey @Jim,
A year went by and I'm in the very same situation as you were a year ago 😁
Been browsing through eBay but can't decide which antenna would be suitable to connect to the Relish Gemtek router. Did you find any good? Also, did you connect a separate antenna for each connector aka two antennas?

Thanks

[email protected] April 21st 16 05:59 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On Monday, 27 April 2015 21:28:56 UTC+1, Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA


Hi, I don't think installing an antenna to gain better signal is illegal, but for those mobile signal booster which repeat the mobile signal that was original in the air. because we don't have the permission to re broadcast the signal in that particular frequency. For you properly just wanted to receive better signal not rebroadcasting it. By the way i am a relish customer as well and i did the mod that you wanted and working perfectly fine. I am guessing you are no longer using relish as you got 1 bar of signal you must getting a lot of disconnection.

By the way, for the coax cable you need RG58/u( you should be able to get it in maplin). For the antenna, geoffery is right it is basically a wimax antenna but you see this modem is a 2x2 mimo system, you need two antennas or a 2x2 mimo antenna. I would suggest a 2x2 mimo directional patch antenna(3300mhz-3800mhz). For the connection, you need a ufl to sma or rpsma connection, I reckon you know it(or google it.)

I am currently using http://www.acantenna.com/pro_view/&productId=905.html and it is working great. they took five days to make and 2 days to UK using DHL express. Enjoy. I got 75mbps dl sometime, weird. Don't try to get too high gain unless you are able to put it up on the top of your building.

[email protected] April 21st 16 06:19 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On Thursday, 21 April 2016 17:59:53 UTC+1, wrote:
On Monday, 27 April 2015 21:28:56 UTC+1, Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask..

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA


Hi, I don't think installing an antenna to gain better signal is illegal, but for those mobile signal booster which repeat the mobile signal that was original in the air. because we don't have the permission to re broadcast the signal in that particular frequency. For you properly just wanted to receive better signal not rebroadcasting it. By the way i am a relish customer as well and i did the mod that you wanted and working perfectly fine. I am guessing you are no longer using relish as you got 1 bar of signal you must getting a lot of disconnection.

By the way, for the coax cable you need RG58/u( you should be able to get it in maplin). For the antenna, geoffery is right it is basically a wimax antenna but you see this modem is a 2x2 mimo system, you need two antennas or a 2x2 mimo antenna. I would suggest a 2x2 mimo directional patch antenna(3300mhz-3800mhz). For the connection, you need a ufl to sma or rpsma connection, I reckon you know it(or google it.)

I am currently using http://www.acantenna.com/pro_view/&productId=905.html and it is working great. they took five days to make and 2 days to UK using DHL express. Enjoy. I got 75mbps dl sometime, weird. Don't try to get too high gain unless you are able to put it up on the top of your building.


There is also a way to identified estimate the location of the mast you connecting not sure if it is right but. Basically you check the lat long of your ipaddress then plot it in google then you will get a spot on google maps and point your antenna to that direction. It works for me.

Jim[_21_] January 1st 17 02:08 AM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On 31/03/2016 19:33, Airpoint wrote:
On Monday, April 27, 2015 at 9:28:56 PM UTC+1, Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask.

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA


Hey @Jim,
A year went by and I'm in the very same situation as you were a year ago 😁
Been browsing through eBay but can't decide which antenna would be suitable to connect to the Relish Gemtek router. Did you find any good? Also, did you connect a separate antenna for each connector aka two antennas?

Thanks

Rising from the dead this one.

No i didn't use the Gemtek router and hack it with an external antenna,
one reason was the legal side.
In the end i bought a Huawei CPE B222s and it's outdoor antenna for just
over £50, you have to understand i'm very green with this issue but from
my understanding, i just throw the antenna up and plug in the SIM card
to it as well as a CAT5 cable and that will feed into the router and
away you go, I still need to buy the pole it will be mounted to and a
few other bits but it "should" be simple, I have no idea where you are
based but local to me a fair bit of work is being done but nothing for
me for at least 12 months so took the leap to buy new hardware.
I did have a link for someone who had done the mod to the Relish router
and fitted an external antenna, i will try to dig it up for you, also
there is a 3 old relish routers for sale on ebay right now so maybe grab
a cheap to play with as i presume the relish router you get with them
will remain their property

Jim

rickman January 2nd 17 07:11 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On 4/21/2016 1:19 PM, wrote:
On Thursday, 21 April 2016 17:59:53 UTC+1, wrote:
On Monday, 27 April 2015 21:28:56 UTC+1, Jim wrote:
Firstly sorry if this is OT guys but you do seem the best people to ask..

The part of London I live in has rubbish ISP speeds (4 mbit) and I have
been offered an old Relish.net router which is a Gemtek WLTFSR-115GN, I
know some of these have external aerial sockets (US ones I think) but
the version I will get does not have any external sockets, so it's a
case of go inside and try to figure out some way of connecting an
external aerial, now the reason I need an external one is I am right on
the edge of their coverage and only get a single bar using just the
router, I do have some images of the inside of the router so I will post
the links for them later, but I was just wondering if anyone has heard
of this being done in the UK?

TIA


Hi, I don't think installing an antenna to gain better signal is illegal, but for those mobile signal booster which repeat the mobile signal that was original in the air. because we don't have the permission to re broadcast the signal in that particular frequency. For you properly just wanted to receive better signal not rebroadcasting it. By the way i am a relish customer as well and i did the mod that you wanted and working perfectly fine. I am guessing you are no longer using relish as you got 1 bar of signal you must getting a lot of disconnection.

By the way, for the coax cable you need RG58/u( you should be able to get it in maplin). For the antenna, geoffery is right it is basically a wimax antenna but you see this modem is a 2x2 mimo system, you need two antennas or a 2x2 mimo antenna. I would suggest a 2x2 mimo directional patch antenna(3300mhz-3800mhz). For the connection, you need a ufl to sma or rpsma connection, I reckon you know it(or google it.)

I am currently using
http://www.acantenna.com/pro_view/&productId=905.html and it is working great. they took five days to make and 2 days to UK using DHL express. Enjoy. I got 75mbps dl sometime, weird. Don't try to get too high gain unless you are able to put it up on the top of your building.

There is also a way to identified estimate the location of the mast you connecting not sure if it is right but. Basically you check the lat long of your ipaddress then plot it in google then you will get a spot on google maps and point your antenna to that direction. It works for me.


How do you get a lat long for your IP? The only info I can find points
to my Internet provider rather than myself. Some of the locations
provided are hundreds of miles from here.

--

Rick C

Jeff Liebermann[_2_] January 3rd 17 05:15 PM

External aerial for 4G+ (LTE Advanced) [Relish.net] Router
 
On Mon, 2 Jan 2017 14:11:27 -0500, rickman wrote:

How do you get a lat long for your IP? The only info I can find points
to my Internet provider rather than myself. Some of the locations
provided are hundreds of miles from here.


http://whatismyipaddress.com/geolocation-providers
See the user reported accuracy chart near the bottom of the page.
Notice that about 15% of those reporting show locations 1000+ km off.
From my house, I show some obscure location in the hills about 15
miles away. From my office, about 6 miles off. If you're using
satellite internet (Exede, HughesNet, etc), give up now, the
geolocation software often returns non-routeable IP's or the location
of the ground station or gateway. Basically, IP location is useless
unless augmented with GPS and a decent location database.

I have no experience with 4G+ yet, so I have no clue how that works.
However, if you know the tower ID and it's location, you can at least
determine the general area.
http://www.evdoinfo.com/content/view/3760/63/
Crowd-sourced location databases are not perfect, but sometimes work
as long as users are not contributing intentionally erronious data.

Mo
http://whatismyipaddress.com/geolocation-accuracy

--
Jeff Liebermann
150 Felker St #D
http://www.LearnByDestroying.com
Santa Cruz CA 95060 http://802.11junk.com
Skype: JeffLiebermann AE6KS 831-336-2558


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