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In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Brian Reay wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna Rambo wrote:
On Tue, 17 Nov 2015 19:10:50 +0000, Fred Roberts wrote:

On 17/11/2015 18:30, gareth wrote:

Those who were self-taught to the exclusion of sideband and sidetone
are no doubt unaware that in the event of a nuclear detonation that
an EMP will melt the RF amps in their RXs because of the amount of
power that their antennae will pick up?

Anyway, in the light of the events in Paris last Friday, and
previously the attack on the World Trade Centre on 11/9 the costly
and unnecessary nuclear deterrent doesn't seem to be working awfully
well, does it?

Well we haven't been nuked yet ;-)

Well the Soviet Nuclear weapon defence threat kept the Americans under
control for decades.

As well as the Brits.

The UK nuclear weapons are firmly under the control of the Americans
anyway, so I don't think we have them for other than ceremonial and
solidarity reasons. They're not cheap either.



So which bits did the Americans control, exactly? After all, if you know
so much, you could tell us. Otherwise it is just bovine muck.

The US has no control over UK nuclear forces.

UK nuclear forces are nominally under NATO control but the UK has the
last word.


--
Jim Pennino

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On 11/17/2015 6:12 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/17/2015 5:38 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/17/2015 4:56 PM, Wayne wrote:


"gareth" wrote in message ...

Those who were self-taught to the exclusion of sideband and sidetone
are no doubt unaware that in the event of a nuclear detonation that an
EMP
will melt the RF amps in their RXs because of the amount of power that
their antennae will pick up?

Anyway, in the light of the events in Paris last Friday, and
previously the attack
on the World Trade Centre on 11/9 the costly and
unnecessary nuclear deterrent doesn't seem to be working awfully well,
does it?

It is indeed a mess, and I'm doing my own part to be prepared.

However that includes some options not available to you. Example: a
few semiautomatic rifles, pistols and several thousand rounds.

Then what do you do the second day?

Reload.

John Brown tried that...

Nope, John Brown was fighting his own war against the US government; a
totally different thing from citizens resisting terrorism.

A better analogy would be the local farmers, shopkeepers, and militia
that pinned down Brown and his troops in the Harpers Ferry Armory
until the Marines arrived.

The issue is not the *why*. This issue is the *what*. Armed
insurrection is a loosing game. Or if government deteriorates and can't
maintain control, even a few guns won't keep you safe for long. There
will be those with bigger guns and who know better how best to use them.
"Cold, dead hands" will be the appropriate expression.

--

Rick

EMP
 

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/17/2015 6:12 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/17/2015 5:38 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/17/2015 4:56 PM, Wayne wrote:


"gareth" wrote in message ...

Those who were self-taught to the exclusion of sideband and sidetone
are no doubt unaware that in the event of a nuclear detonation that an
EMP
will melt the RF amps in their RXs because of the amount of power that
their antennae will pick up?

Anyway, in the light of the events in Paris last Friday, and
previously the attack
on the World Trade Centre on 11/9 the costly and
unnecessary nuclear deterrent doesn't seem to be working awfully well,
does it?

It is indeed a mess, and I'm doing my own part to be prepared.

However that includes some options not available to you. Example: a
few semiautomatic rifles, pistols and several thousand rounds.

Then what do you do the second day?

Reload.

John Brown tried that...

Nope, John Brown was fighting his own war against the US government; a
totally different thing from citizens resisting terrorism.

A better analogy would be the local farmers, shopkeepers, and militia
that pinned down Brown and his troops in the Harpers Ferry Armory
until the Marines arrived.

The issue is not the *why*. This issue is the *what*. Armed
insurrection is a loosing game. Or if government deteriorates and can't
maintain control, even a few guns won't keep you safe for long. There
will be those with bigger guns and who know better how best to use them.
"Cold, dead hands" will be the appropriate expression.

The subject is NOT insurrection of any kind nor the why of anything.

The story of the local farmers, shopkeepers, and militia that pinned down
Brown and his troops in the Harpers Ferry Armory until the Marines arrived
is most appropriate to the actual subject no matter how much you want
to change it.


--
Jim Pennino

EMP
 

On 17/11/2015 18:30, gareth wrote:
Those who were self-taught to the exclusion of sideband and sidetone
are no doubt unaware that in the event of a nuclear detonation that an EMP
will melt the RF amps in their RXs because of the amount of power that
their antennae will pick up?

It is not just the RF amps.
The EMP is a high power broadband RF pulse that will turn almost any bit
of wire regardless of length into an antenna and so fry any small scale
electronics that it attaches to.
Any electronics that is not in a Faraday cage is at risk if it is in a
high power region of the pulse.

Andy

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On 18/11/2015 01:19, Brian Reay wrote:
Roger Hayter wrote:

The UK nuclear weapons are firmly under the control of the Americans
anyway, so I don't think we have them for other than ceremonial and
solidarity reasons. They're not cheap either.

So which bits did the Americans control, exactly? After all, if you know
so much, you could tell us. Otherwise it is just bovine muck.

Well, seeing as how you are an expert in the analysis of newspaper
stories, you might recall in the aftermath of the Falklands war it was
mentioned, probably in one of the Sunday heavies, that at one of the
early crisis meetings to discuss the UK's options the nuking of the city
of Cordoba was mentioned. ISTR it being said that the idea was dropped
when it was allegedly discovered that the US wouldn't give us the
targeting codes.

Next time you're in the British Library looking for local newspaper
reports of dogs, you might care to spend some time looking for something
a little more serious. It might help you to stop looking like a
small-minded fool.


--
Spike

"Crime butchers innocence to secure a throne, and innocence struggles
with all its might against the attempts of crime"

- Maximilien Robespierre

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"Brian Reay" wrote in message
...
Roger Hayter wrote:
wrote:
AIUI. Though I think the exact arrangements are secret on our side, but
may have been leaked on the US side. I am prepared to be proved wrong
by someone with documentary evidence.


Do you have evidence for your claim? Or are you doing a Cummins and just
spewing nonsense?

Brian, that sort of gratuitous abuse must be jumped on, for Roger asked for
the evidence.

EMP
 

On 11/18/2015 1:03 AM, wrote:
However that includes some options not available to you. Example: a
few semiautomatic rifles, pistols and several thousand rounds.

Then what do you do the second day?

No, the topic is taking up arms, a stupid thing to do unless you have
some reason to believe you will be the winner.

--

Rick

EMP
 

"rickman" wrote in message ...

On 11/17/2015 6:12 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/17/2015 5:38 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/17/2015 4:56 PM, Wayne wrote:


"gareth" wrote in message ...

Those who were self-taught to the exclusion of sideband and sidetone
are no doubt unaware that in the event of a nuclear detonation that
an
EMP
will melt the RF amps in their RXs because of the amount of power
that
their antennae will pick up?

Anyway, in the light of the events in Paris last Friday, and
previously the attack
on the World Trade Centre on 11/9 the costly and
unnecessary nuclear deterrent doesn't seem to be working awfully
well,
does it?

It is indeed a mess, and I'm doing my own part to be prepared.

However that includes some options not available to you. Example: a
few semiautomatic rifles, pistols and several thousand rounds.

Then what do you do the second day?

Reload.

John Brown tried that...

Nope, John Brown was fighting his own war against the US government; a
totally different thing from citizens resisting terrorism.

A better analogy would be the local farmers, shopkeepers, and militia
that pinned down Brown and his troops in the Harpers Ferry Armory
until the Marines arrived.

# The issue is not the *why*. This issue is the *what*. Armed
# insurrection is a loosing game. Or if government deteriorates and can't
# maintain control, even a few guns won't keep you safe for long. There
# will be those with bigger guns and who know better how best to use them.
# "Cold, dead hands" will be the appropriate expression.

Armed insurrection works if the military breaks ranks.

EMP
 

On 11/18/2015 11:13 AM, Wayne wrote:


"rickman" wrote in message ...

On 11/17/2015 6:12 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/17/2015 5:38 PM, wrote:
In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/17/2015 4:56 PM, Wayne wrote:


"gareth" wrote in message ...

Those who were self-taught to the exclusion of sideband and sidetone
are no doubt unaware that in the event of a nuclear detonation
that an
EMP
will melt the RF amps in their RXs because of the amount of power
that
their antennae will pick up?

Anyway, in the light of the events in Paris last Friday, and
previously the attack
on the World Trade Centre on 11/9 the costly and
unnecessary nuclear deterrent doesn't seem to be working awfully
well,
does it?

It is indeed a mess, and I'm doing my own part to be prepared.

However that includes some options not available to you. Example: a
few semiautomatic rifles, pistols and several thousand rounds.

Then what do you do the second day?

Reload.

John Brown tried that...

Nope, John Brown was fighting his own war against the US government; a
totally different thing from citizens resisting terrorism.

A better analogy would be the local farmers, shopkeepers, and militia
that pinned down Brown and his troops in the Harpers Ferry Armory
until the Marines arrived.

# The issue is not the *why*. This issue is the *what*. Armed
# insurrection is a loosing game. Or if government deteriorates and can't
# maintain control, even a few guns won't keep you safe for long. There
# will be those with bigger guns and who know better how best to use them.
# "Cold, dead hands" will be the appropriate expression.

Armed insurrection works if the military breaks ranks.

We are way beyond that. In China the military resisted conflict with
their own people. They brought in troops from the other side of the
country who spoke a very different dialect. Here the troops would never
meet the victims. Remotely operated weapons allow the military to fight
anyone without knowing who they really are. Having rifles and "several
thousand rounds" won't even let you defend yourself against other people
for more than a few days, much less the military. Heck, a decent swat
team would easily rout you out. Hand weapons are pointless these days
for anything but killing someone in your own family. Like bringing a
knife to a gun fight.

--

Rick

EMP
 

In rec.radio.amateur.antenna rickman wrote:
On 11/18/2015 1:03 AM, wrote:
However that includes some options not available to you. Example: a
few semiautomatic rifles, pistols and several thousand rounds.

Then what do you do the second day?

No, the topic is taking up arms, a stupid thing to do unless you have
some reason to believe you will be the winner.

Half assed correct; the subject was civilians taking up arms against
terrorists.


--
Jim Pennino