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On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:05:23 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote: Bob Miller wrote: Personally, I wouldn't attack someone packing a cap pistol. But if your argument is carried to its conclusion, that law abiding citizens should have guns as big as what the worst criminals carry, then we'd all be walking around with machine guns. That's fine, until somebody loses his/her temper. One of the staples of San Antonio TV news is showing some family on the South Side mourning the death of yet another kid killed in a drive-by or whatever -- happens about two or three times a month. Bob k5qwg Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers. If you think they do, show me some evidence. Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers over trifle matters. Bob k5qwg tom K0TAR |
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:36:10 -0500, Cecil Moore
wrote: How much voltage does it take to draw a 4 inch arc? 2 or 3 volts certainly, depends on the conductivity of the skull beneath the tin hat. |
"Richard Clark" wrote in message ... On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 20:36:10 -0500, Cecil Moore wrote: How much voltage does it take to draw a 4 inch arc? 2 or 3 volts certainly, depends on the conductivity of the skull beneath the tin hat. It'll take a bit more to make the voices stop. |
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 09:15:22 -0700, Bill Turner
wrote: Reg has obviously never drawn an arc from the end of a dipole running 100 watts. I assure you it is indeed possible to set a tree on fire, as at least one ham I know of proved a few years back. We residents of Southern California (the brush fire capital of the world) are keenly aware of how little it takes to get a fire going. I once set the grass on my lawn on fire (it hadn't been trimmed for ages!) by having the lower end of the centre vertical of a Bobtail Curtain array a little too near the ground! Only 100 watts or so used then .... Yes, the grass was dry enough as we hadn't had rain for months (I was living in NZ at the time). Peter, G3PHO |
"Bob Miller" wrote Tom Ring wrote: Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers. If you think they do, show me some evidence. Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers over trifle matters. Bob k5qwg Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means: Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not. This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you are either going to be out of bunk or just go away. Either one is fine. Jack |
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:44:06 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: "Bob Miller" wrote Tom Ring wrote: Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers. If you think they do, show me some evidence. Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers over trifle matters. Bob k5qwg Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means: Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not. This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you are either going to be out of bunk or just go away. Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/ see for yourself: a domestic argument that ends up with one guy dead, one lady with a bullet in her neck. Another guy shot, playing basketball. Another shot in an alley. Typical Sunday in this town. I ain't "trotting out lies." Just observing life. Have fun. Bob k5qwg Either one is fine. Jack |
Bob Miller wrote:
On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:05:23 -0500, Tom Ring wrote: Bob Miller wrote: Personally, I wouldn't attack someone packing a cap pistol. But if your argument is carried to its conclusion, that law abiding citizens should have guns as big as what the worst criminals carry, then we'd all be walking around with machine guns. That's fine, until somebody loses his/her temper. One of the staples of San Antonio TV news is showing some family on the South Side mourning the death of yet another kid killed in a drive-by or whatever -- happens about two or three times a month. Bob k5qwg Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers. If you think they do, show me some evidence. Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers over trifle matters. Bob k5qwg tom K0TAR Ok. I'd love to see details on it. I find it hard to believe, since I've never seen an area of the country with a murder rate like that. Got any newspaper links where I can read about them? I will have to make one exception on my previous staement - about 6 days ago a guy stabbed to death 3 people here in Minneapolis. I have, with tongue not too firmly in cheek, suggested we need to investigate knife control legislation. TIA tom K0TAR |
"Bob Miller" wrote "Jack Painter" wrote: "Bob Miller" wrote Tom Ring wrote: Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers. If you think they do, show me some evidence. Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers over trifle matters. Bob k5qwg Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means: Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not. This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you are either going to be out of bunk or just go away. Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/ see for yourself: a domestic argument that ends up with one guy dead, one lady with a bullet in her neck. Another guy shot, playing basketball. Another shot in an alley. Typical Sunday in this town. I ain't "trotting out lies." Just observing life. Have fun. Bob k5qwg Either one is fine. Jack O.k. Bob, I'll be kind and say you are not trotting out lies, you're just delusional, because you imagine these are normal people, when every once of common sense you have tells you otherwise. And the news stories offer no details whatsoever, except the area of town (Lincolnshire on the east side). Suppose you mosey on over to that basketball court and tell us who plays there. If they ask you, tell them you're making sure they are just normal, reasonable law-abiding people, the kind that get mad and shoot both friends and strangers over trifle matters because they had a gun. Drive bys are always gang related Bob, if you're not quick enough to understand that call your local police and ask about it. None of your stories (2 in all, not 5) are nornal law abiding citizens. Curb your enthusiams for sensational Dan Rather reporting and stick to facts next time so we have something to talk about, o.k.? By the way, see your own link and read about the "Home Invasion Suspect Charged with Murder" in your nice neigborhood of ordinary law abiding folks.. Another homeowner dead, murdered in a home invasion while her elderly parents watched her shot to death, helpless to stop the 23 year old ******* kill her in front of them. Had they been armed, there would be a dead felon, not a dead daughter. Wish it was your daughter Bob? Want to watch her savagely beaten and shot to death in front of you? Plead with an insane killer for her life and then for yours? You bet you do Bob, you sorry wipe. You're happy that poor woman is dead and would sacrifice your own daughter too, rather than own a nasty gun and learn how to use it. No? Tell us where you differ on these fine points here Bob. Have a nice evening. Jack |
On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 21:10:30 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: "Bob Miller" wrote "Jack Painter" wrote: "Bob Miller" wrote Tom Ring wrote: Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers. If you think they do, show me some evidence. Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers over trifle matters. Bob k5qwg Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means: Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not. This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you are either going to be out of bunk or just go away. Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/ see for yourself: a domestic argument that ends up with one guy dead, one lady with a bullet in her neck. Another guy shot, playing basketball. Another shot in an alley. Typical Sunday in this town. I ain't "trotting out lies." Just observing life. Have fun. Bob k5qwg Either one is fine. Jack O.k. Bob, I'll be kind and say you are not trotting out lies, you're just delusional, because you imagine these are normal people, when every once of common sense you have tells you otherwise. And the news stories offer no details whatsoever, except the area of town (Lincolnshire on the east side). Suppose you mosey on over to that basketball court and tell us who plays there. If they ask you, tell them you're making sure they are just normal, reasonable law-abiding people, the kind that get mad and shoot both friends and strangers over trifle matters because they had a gun. Drive bys are always gang related Bob, if you're not quick enough to understand that call your local police and ask about it. None of your stories (2 in all, not 5) are nornal law abiding citizens. Curb your enthusiams for sensational Dan Rather reporting and stick to facts next time so we have something to talk about, o.k.? By the way, see your own link and read about the "Home Invasion Suspect Charged with Murder" in your nice neigborhood of ordinary law abiding folks.. Another homeowner dead, murdered in a home invasion while her elderly parents watched her shot to death, helpless to stop the 23 year old ******* kill her in front of them. Had they been armed, there would be a dead felon, not a dead daughter. Wish it was your daughter Bob? Want to watch her savagely beaten and shot to death in front of you? Plead with an insane killer for her life and then for yours? You bet you do Bob, you sorry wipe. You're happy that poor woman is dead and would sacrifice your own daughter too, rather than own a nasty gun and learn how to use it. No? Tell us where you differ on these fine points here Bob. Have a nice evening. Jack Jack, you certainly do get rude when someone is trying to have a civil discussion with you. Oh, well... Have a good night, Bob k5qwg |
"Bob Miller" wrote Jack, you certainly do get rude when someone is trying to have a civil discussion with you. Oh, well... Have a good night, Bob k5qwg That was for effect Bob, nothing personal. It was intended to stir your senses a little bit, and current events in your own town today just helped me do it. Take care of yourself, Jack Painter Virginia Beach VA |
Jack Painter wrote:
"Bob Miller" wrote "Jack Painter" wrote: "Bob Miller" wrote Tom Ring wrote: Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers. If you think they do, show me some evidence. Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers over trifle matters. Bob k5qwg Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means: Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not. This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you are either going to be out of bunk or just go away. Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/ see for yourself: a domestic argument that ends up with one guy dead, one lady with a bullet in her neck. Another guy shot, playing basketball. Another shot in an alley. Typical Sunday in this town. I ain't "trotting out lies." Just observing life. Have fun. Bob k5qwg Either one is fine. Jack O.k. Bob, I'll be kind and say you are not trotting out lies, you're just delusional, because you imagine these are normal people, when every once of common sense you have tells you otherwise. And the news stories offer no details whatsoever, except the area of town (Lincolnshire on the east side). Suppose you mosey on over to that basketball court and tell us who plays there. If they ask you, tell them you're making sure they are just normal, reasonable law-abiding people, the kind that get mad and shoot both friends and strangers over trifle matters because they had a gun. Drive bys are always gang related Bob, if you're not quick enough to understand that call your local police and ask about it. None of your stories (2 in all, not 5) are nornal law abiding citizens. Curb your enthusiams for sensational Dan Rather reporting and stick to facts next time so we have something to talk about, o.k.? By the way, see your own link and read about the "Home Invasion Suspect Charged with Murder" in your nice neigborhood of ordinary law abiding folks.. Another homeowner dead, murdered in a home invasion while her elderly parents watched her shot to death, helpless to stop the 23 year old ******* kill her in front of them. Had they been armed, there would be a dead felon, not a dead daughter. Wish it was your daughter Bob? Want to watch her savagely beaten and shot to death in front of you? Plead with an insane killer for her life and then for yours? You bet you do Bob, you sorry wipe. You're happy that poor woman is dead and would sacrifice your own daughter too, rather than own a nasty gun and learn how to use it. No? Tell us where you differ on these fine points here Bob. Have a nice evening. Jack This is the wrong place to fight the culture wars, Painter. The more the population grows in the U.S., the more pressure there will be on politicians to write more restrictive gun control legislation. If you don't like it, write your congressman. No one else can do anything about it. Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
Cecil Moore wrote:
Richard Clark wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: what would you do? You still lamenting about Dukakis losing in '98? Worse than that. I'm lamenting about every Libertarian presidential candidate losing every single year. How are your non-weapon negotiations coming with that 250 pound guy in the process of raping your daughter? Umm, Cecil. I support private ownership of guns, and as few laws that regulate such ownership as possible. But your argument is specious. That 250 pound man may just use his own gun, make you redundant, than continue to use the gun to make sure your daughter stays compliant. There is plenty enough emotion to go around on both sides, and your argument is just one more. And since you want that answer, I would use my rifle *if* possible, however, I would have to realize that if I do use it, I would face the possibility of seriously wounding or even killing my daughter. If such an act is taking place, the two would be in obvious close proximity, and bullets do not always travel a straight line. The bullet might very well pass through him, and enter her. Probably the best course of action is to (unfortunately) wait until he is temporarily incapacitated as will happen, at that point he will likely roll off, and then wait for your moment.... - Mike KB3EIA - |
Reg Edwards wrote:
"Bill Turner" wrote The voltage at the ends of a half wave dipole can reach thousands of volts even with relatively low power. Trees have been set on fire with as low as 100 watts. Be careful! ============================== Hi Bill, A half-wave dipole is a resonant tuned circuit. A 40 meter dipole using 14-gauge wire has a Q of about 11. At 100 watts there is 85 volts at the feedpoint. The voltage between the ends of the antenna is 85 times Q which equals 956 volts. Therefore, the voltage between one end of the antenna and ground is only 478 volts. And this falls to a much lower value when the end of the wire is in contact with anything by virtue of the very high antenna impedance of around 1500 ohms. Furthermore, the antenna is immediately detuned when it comes into contact with anything and Tx power falls. From where do you get your "thousands of volts" - the old wive's monthly magazines? There are far more Californian forest fires caused by arsonists than 100 watt transmitters. Fortunately, it doesn't seem to have a bad effect on the quality of the wine. Knowing that you are a wine aficionado, I would mention that there is serious concern about the future quality of the wine. It appears that global warming (which doesn't exist ha ha) has been on average warming the regions of California where the wine grapes are grown. This is causing them to ripen prematurely - at least as far as making the best wine is concerned. Let us hope that a solution is in the works! - mike KB3EIA - |
Cecil Moore wrote:
Richard Clark wrote: Let's see, you cannot catch a kid walking out with a 3 foot assault rifle every day of the week for a year (we will skip holidays and weekends when they are more diligent). Yeah, right, that's how it happened! Shoplifters every day for a year and no one notices it at the till, or in the records, or in the stock room. You are shooting your own argument in the foot. The people you are describing are *LAW-BREAKERS*, not law-abiders. There are already laws against what they are doing. They already broke the law and you want yet another law for them to break??? Why not advocate enforcing the existing laws which are not being properly enforced? How many laws do they have to break before you realize that law-breakers don't obey laws? As I said before, you might as well be advocating laws prohibiting hurricanes from hitting Florida. Gun control laws don't keep guns out of the hands of criminals. Gun control laws keep guns out of the hands of law-abiding people who need guns to defend themselves against criminals. You and the criminals would like to see all law-abiding citizens disarmed and helpless. I noted that i support private ownership of guns before. But your argument is a bit too simple. Case in point: A young boy shot his sister with one of the family guns. It turned out that the father was a real gun person, and firearms were all around the house. In fact, the children's toy guns were stacked along with several real weapons. The little fellow just picked up what he thought was another toy and pointed at his sister. Took her head off f I'm not mistaken. The parents were tried on reckless endangerment of children. They fought the case as a gun control issue. Another case is closer to home, much closer. Some years ago, there was a neighbor up the road from us that was shall we say - unusual. Prone to disturbances. He also let guns lay around the house. One day his son brought one of the guns (loaded of course, in case someone breaks in and tries to rape his daughter) points it at my kid, and thank God didn't pull the trigger. The police confiscated his guns, and he went on a tear about having his rights violated. Point is, all the "guns don't kill people, people kill people", and who's raping who's daughter, and all the other emotional arguments wouldn't have meant much to me would it? The problem with too many people regarding gun laws is that they only think of the back end of things. It's all after it's over. In case you missed it: LAW-BREAKERS don't obey laws. They don't obey the present laws and they won't obey any new laws that you are advocating. To keep the thread on topic: IMO, you can't see the forest for the trees. On both sides of the issue - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Reg Edwards wrote: "Bill Turner" wrote The voltage at the ends of a half wave dipole can reach thousands of volts even with relatively low power. Trees have been set on fire with as low as 100 watts. Be careful! ============================== Hi Bill, A half-wave dipole is a resonant tuned circuit. A 40 meter dipole using 14-gauge wire has a Q of about 11. At 100 watts there is 85 volts at the feedpoint. The voltage between the ends of the antenna is 85 times Q which equals 956 volts. Therefore, the voltage between one end of the antenna and ground is only 478 volts. And this falls to a much lower value when the end of the wire is in contact with anything by virtue of the very high antenna impedance of around 1500 ohms. Furthermore, the antenna is immediately detuned when it comes into contact with anything and Tx power falls. From where do you get your "thousands of volts" - the old wive's monthly magazines? There are far more Californian forest fires caused by arsonists than 100 watt transmitters. Fortunately, it doesn't seem to have a bad effect on the quality of the wine. Knowing that you are a wine aficionado, I would mention that there is serious concern about the future quality of the wine. It appears that global warming (which doesn't exist ha ha) has been on average warming the regions of California where the wine grapes are grown. This is causing them to ripen prematurely - at least as far as making the best wine is concerned. Let us hope that a solution is in the works! - mike KB3EIA - But Rush said there's no such thing as global warming. (Tell that to all the dead coral and melted glaciers.) So sorry to hear about the wine. Better drink some moore quick! 73 H. NQ5H |
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:35:16 GMT, "H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H"
wrote: But Rush said there's no such thing as global warming. (Tell that to all the dead coral and melted glaciers.) So sorry to hear about the wine. Better drink some moore quick! Hi All, The Wine out of the Pacific Northwest is fast gaining a high reputation. Could be from that same warming trend. I must add that this last summer was one of the muggiest I've lived through here. Humidity in the 80s. It almost competes with D.C.'s June weather when I was back there during Reagan's funeral. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
"Richard Clark" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:35:16 GMT, "H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H" wrote: But Rush said there's no such thing as global warming. (Tell that to all the dead coral and melted glaciers.) So sorry to hear about the wine. Better drink some moore quick! Hi All, The Wine out of the Pacific Northwest is fast gaining a high reputation. Could be from that same warming trend. I must add that this last summer was one of the muggiest I've lived through here. Humidity in the 80s. It almost competes with D.C.'s June weather when I was back there during Reagan's funeral. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC There's a Wasington State Merlot (I'll remember the name next time I look at a wine list) that I like all too much. Now how are we going to connect this to antennas? I know! Empty wine bottles make great base insulators for verticals! 73 H. |
On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:54:06 GMT, "H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H"
wrote: There's a Wasington State Merlot (I'll remember the name next time I look at a wine list) that I like all too much. Now how are we going to connect this to antennas? I know! Empty wine bottles make great base insulators for verticals! My longwire could almost reach the Chateau Ste. Michelle winery (but was closer to the Columbia winery and closer yet to the Red Hook ale brewery). 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
"Richard Clark" wrote in message ... On Tue, 21 Sep 2004 17:54:06 GMT, "H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H" wrote: There's a Wasington State Merlot (I'll remember the name next time I look at a wine list) that I like all too much. Now how are we going to connect this to antennas? I know! Empty wine bottles make great base insulators for verticals! My longwire could almost reach the Chateau Ste. Michelle winery (but was closer to the Columbia winery and closer yet to the Red Hook ale brewery). 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC THAT'S IT!!! Chateau Ste. Michelle! Thanks! 73 H. |
Cecil Moore wrote:
Bob Miller wrote: Jack, please explain why we need battlefield weapons in a civilian society. That's simple. Because the criminals are armed with battlefield weapons. Don't know about you, but I think it's stupid to take my 66 year-old fists to a gunfight. How many times do you need to shoot that beautiful deer before you drag it to the sausage maker? Deer don't shoot back. Criminals, including terrorists do, and sometimes with fully automatic weapons. The criminals obviously want the ordinary citizens to be disarmed. But why should you want exactly the same thing as the criminals? Did you know that the crime rate is falling in the concealed-carry states? Did you know that a majority of states are concealed-carry states? If you were a criminal, would you really want to take on someone who might be packin' a concealed Colt .45? If I were a criminal, and I thought my victim might be carrying a concealed Colt .45, I would use a different tactic. - Mike KB3EIA - |
H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote:
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Reg Edwards wrote: "Bill Turner" wrote The voltage at the ends of a half wave dipole can reach thousands of volts even with relatively low power. Trees have been set on fire with as low as 100 watts. Be careful! ============================== Hi Bill, A half-wave dipole is a resonant tuned circuit. A 40 meter dipole using 14-gauge wire has a Q of about 11. At 100 watts there is 85 volts at the feedpoint. The voltage between the ends of the antenna is 85 times Q which equals 956 volts. Therefore, the voltage between one end of the antenna and ground is only 478 volts. And this falls to a much lower value when the end of the wire is in contact with anything by virtue of the very high antenna impedance of around 1500 ohms. Furthermore, the antenna is immediately detuned when it comes into contact with anything and Tx power falls. From where do you get your "thousands of volts" - the old wive's monthly magazines? There are far more Californian forest fires caused by arsonists than 100 watt transmitters. Fortunately, it doesn't seem to have a bad effect on the quality of the wine. Knowing that you are a wine aficionado, I would mention that there is serious concern about the future quality of the wine. It appears that global warming (which doesn't exist ha ha) has been on average warming the regions of California where the wine grapes are grown. This is causing them to ripen prematurely - at least as far as making the best wine is concerned. Let us hope that a solution is in the works! - mike KB3EIA - But Rush said there's no such thing as global warming. (Tell that to all the dead coral and melted glaciers.) So sorry to hear about the wine. Better drink some moore quick! Ahh, I kind of enjoy Rush, or did until he started to get redundant. But I wouldn't take him as a science adviser! ;^) Seriously, I would be willing to entertain the notion that global warming is not happening. But what I need is a good explanation of of the mechanism keeping it from happening. Certainly the oceans can sink some CO2, but only so much. The effect of CO2 on thermal retention in the atmosphere is not bogus, and there are plenty of other gases that are likely a worse problem, such as methane. Methane is hardly being addressed now. There are possible effects that will mitigate the heat retention, but I want to know what they are, not just that the warming effec isn't real. To say that global warming doesn't exist is not far from saying Ohms law is wrong. I wish proof, not politics. unlike El Rushbo, I don't think that every timee it snows is the disproof of it. We might check with our Canadian friends on how their growing season has been affected. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Cecil Moore wrote: Bob Miller wrote: Jack, please explain why we need battlefield weapons in a civilian society. That's simple. Because the criminals are armed with battlefield weapons. Don't know about you, but I think it's stupid to take my 66 year-old fists to a gunfight. How many times do you need to shoot that beautiful deer before you drag it to the sausage maker? Deer don't shoot back. Criminals, including terrorists do, and sometimes with fully automatic weapons. The criminals obviously want the ordinary citizens to be disarmed. But why should you want exactly the same thing as the criminals? Did you know that the crime rate is falling in the concealed-carry states? Did you know that a majority of states are concealed-carry states? If you were a criminal, would you really want to take on someone who might be packin' a concealed Colt .45? If I were a criminal, and I thought my victim might be carrying a concealed Colt .45, I would use a different tactic. - Mike KB3EIA - The fear of being on the wrong end of a 12 gauge prevents many burglaries. I have seen interviews with convicts and also the book "More Guns Less Crime" that bear this out. It is my understanding that since the Aussies disarmed themselves they have paid the price. In Texas, CHL holders have a lower crime rate than the cops. The last intruder in my house got a .357 magnum in the face; blew the back of his head off. He was a 5 foot timber rattlesnake. I had a model 19 Smith. 73 H. NQ5H OB Antenna If a half wave dipole in the forest falls to the ground when nobody's there, does it make a sound? |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... Reg Edwards wrote: "Bill Turner" wrote The voltage at the ends of a half wave dipole can reach thousands of volts even with relatively low power. Trees have been set on fire with as low as 100 watts. Be careful! ============================== Hi Bill, A half-wave dipole is a resonant tuned circuit. A 40 meter dipole using 14-gauge wire has a Q of about 11. At 100 watts there is 85 volts at the feedpoint. The voltage between the ends of the antenna is 85 times Q which equals 956 volts. Therefore, the voltage between one end of the antenna and ground is only 478 volts. And this falls to a much lower value when the end of the wire is in contact with anything by virtue of the very high antenna impedance of around 1500 ohms. Furthermore, the antenna is immediately detuned when it comes into contact with anything and Tx power falls. From where do you get your "thousands of volts" - the old wive's monthly magazines? There are far more Californian forest fires caused by arsonists than 100 watt transmitters. Fortunately, it doesn't seem to have a bad effect on the quality of the wine. Knowing that you are a wine aficionado, I would mention that there is serious concern about the future quality of the wine. It appears that global warming (which doesn't exist ha ha) has been on average warming the regions of California where the wine grapes are grown. This is causing them to ripen prematurely - at least as far as making the best wine is concerned. Let us hope that a solution is in the works! - mike KB3EIA - But Rush said there's no such thing as global warming. (Tell that to all the dead coral and melted glaciers.) So sorry to hear about the wine. Better drink some moore quick! Ahh, I kind of enjoy Rush, or did until he started to get redundant. But I wouldn't take him as a science adviser! ;^) Seriously, I would be willing to entertain the notion that global warming is not happening. But what I need is a good explanation of of the mechanism keeping it from happening. Certainly the oceans can sink some CO2, but only so much. The effect of CO2 on thermal retention in the atmosphere is not bogus, and there are plenty of other gases that are likely a worse problem, such as methane. Methane is hardly being addressed now. There are possible effects that will mitigate the heat retention, but I want to know what they are, not just that the warming effec isn't real. To say that global warming doesn't exist is not far from saying Ohms law is wrong. I wish proof, not politics. unlike El Rushbo, I don't think that every timee it snows is the disproof of it. We might check with our Canadian friends on how their growing season has been affected. - Mike KB3EIA - It's real enough; literally decimated the world's coral reefs. But the atmospheric carbon budget is still not well understood. However the weather, being a chaotic system, probably becomes more chaotic as more energy is added. For an excellent discussion of chaos and the weather 1000 years ago see "The Great Maya Droughts" by my old buddy Dick Gill. Glaciers and permafrost are melting. Ice core data suggest the CO2 in the atmosphere shot up with the industrial revolution and is at it's highest in 50,000 years. I dove for NASA in 1970 at Tektite II in the Virgin Islands. I went back to the site at St John in 1997. The coral was much harder to find. Where I remembered reefs was sand and sea grass. I'm going back in January. Over 10 years of diving in Hawaii I have watched the coral population at Tunnels Beach, specifically, diminish dramatically. One of my grad students is from Puerto Rico. He's noticed the coral decline in his 20-odd years. Just a couple of degrees dramatically moves the permafrost boundaries. Any Alaskans here? Canuks? How much are we at fault? Can we change anything? I think the answers are some or a lot, yes and no. OB Ham topic. I operated W3YRQ's (Jerre I am sorry if I got your call wrong, it has been 34 years) KWM2 on 20 meter SSB from the Tektite II habitat. I believe Jerre and I are still the only hams to operate on the ocean floor. 73 H., NQ5H |
H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote:
OB Ham topic. I operated W3YRQ's (Jerre I am sorry if I got your call wrong, it has been 34 years) KWM2 on 20 meter SSB from the Tektite II habitat. I believe Jerre and I are still the only hams to operate on the ocean floor. Now THAT is cool! What was your setup? - Mike KB3EIA - |
On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:34:24 -0400, Mike Coslo
wrote: Political denial covers a lot of uncomfortable ills. Sad but true. Hi Mike, I went to a talk last week featuring Philip Gold, a military forces planner from the Marine Corps and prolific writer (800 articles) for conservative think tanks like the Discovery Institute. His comment describing the current administration: "SUMOs - Screw Up, Move On" 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message
... H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote: OB Ham topic. I operated W3YRQ's (Jerre I am sorry if I got your call wrong, it has been 34 years) KWM2 on 20 meter SSB from the Tektite II habitat. I believe Jerre and I are still the only hams to operate on the ocean floor. Now THAT is cool! What was your setup? - Mike KB3EIA - KWM2, SB220 in the habitat. Hy Gain 14AVQ on a barge on the surface. Worked great! SCUBA down to the shack. What fun. Life's been somewhat boring since Tektite. 73 H. NQ5H |
"Richard Clark" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:34:24 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: Political denial covers a lot of uncomfortable ills. Sad but true. Hi Mike, I went to a talk last week featuring Philip Gold, a military forces planner from the Marine Corps and prolific writer (800 articles) for conservative think tanks like the Discovery Institute. His comment describing the current administration: "SUMOs - Screw Up, Move On" 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC All too sad, all too true. 73 H., NQ5H |
Richard Clark wrote: On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 14:34:24 -0400, Mike Coslo wrote: Political denial covers a lot of uncomfortable ills. Sad but true. Hi Mike, I went to a talk last week featuring Philip Gold, a military forces planner from the Marine Corps and prolific writer (800 articles) for conservative think tanks like the Discovery Institute. His comment describing the current administration: "SUMOs - Screw Up, Move On" I recall that when questioned about some past apparent wrongdoings, in most cases the reply was "that's old stuff, we have to move on". So your SUMO sounds about right. Funny how that *wasn't* the case when they wasted millions of our dollars chasing Whitewater. Go figure! - Mike - |
H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote: OB Ham topic. I operated W3YRQ's (Jerre I am sorry if I got your call wrong, it has been 34 years) KWM2 on 20 meter SSB from the Tektite II habitat. I believe Jerre and I are still the only hams to operate on the ocean floor. Now THAT is cool! What was your setup? - Mike KB3EIA - KWM2, SB220 in the habitat. Hy Gain 14AVQ on a barge on the surface. Worked great! SCUBA down to the shack. What fun. Life's been somewhat boring since Tektite. Ground fault detectors I hope. 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote: "Mike Coslo" wrote in message ... H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote: OB Ham topic. I operated W3YRQ's (Jerre I am sorry if I got your call wrong, it has been 34 years) KWM2 on 20 meter SSB from the Tektite II habitat. I believe Jerre and I are still the only hams to operate on the ocean floor. Now THAT is cool! What was your setup? - Mike KB3EIA - KWM2, SB220 in the habitat. Hy Gain 14AVQ on a barge on the surface. Worked great! SCUBA down to the shack. What fun. Life's been somewhat boring since Tektite. Ground fault detectors I hope. 8^) - Mike KB3EIA - I'm not sure they'd been invented yet. Power was from a set of diesel generators on the island. 73 H., NQ5H |
"Bob Miller" wrote in message ... On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 15:44:06 -0400, "Jack Painter" wrote: "Bob Miller" wrote Tom Ring wrote: Seems to me there is a big difference between people losing their tempers, and drive by shootings by gang members, such as the fact that normal citizens don't lose their tempers and shoot strangers. If you think they do, show me some evidence. Five shootings on the local TV news last night. Normal, reasonable law-abiding people getting mad and shooting both friends and strangers over trifle matters. Bob k5qwg Hi Bob, let me help you understand what "show me some evidence" means: Quote the stories with URLs so that we can decide for ourselves whether or not these drug-dealing gang-banging criminal history numbnuts meet the standard of "Normal, reasonable law-abiding people" or not. This was the anti-gun creeps biggest claim, that Americans all shoot each other over an argument. It's a bunch of crap and anyone who spreads it is too. But when you want to start trotting out the lies you've been fed I will gladly show you where each one has been debunked. At the end of the day, you are either going to be out of bunk or just go away. Jack, if you go here while these stories are up http://www.woai.com/ see for yourself: Yeah, but today's fun centers on a chain-saw attack. Completely baffles me that two guys in a Texas bar can't come up with at least one shotgun! -- Ed WB6WSN |
"Richard Harrison" wrote in message
... snip The U.S.A. was first to produce nuclear weapons and the intercontinental missles to accurately place them on target. snip Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI And a large and crucial part of the talent pool that developed the bomb and the ICBM was in the USA because they had literally escaped from Europe. Can you say Enrico Fermi? My fellow hams, we're all in this avalanche together. 73 H. NQ5H |
Please allow me to apologize in advance, but I can't resist asking:
"If a dipole falls in a forest and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Yes, the sound of its owner swearing up a blue storm at having to get the *&%$ thing back up over "just the right tree branches".... Been using a "random" dipole (actually configured in an inverted vee with 50 foot legs) made from insulated house wire, fed with 450 ohm line, hooked to a little MFJ tuner. QTH is DEEP in the woods and the antenna is VERY close to trees and actually passes within inches of many leaves/branches. Work mostly 40 CW but every so often will wander around from 80 to 10 CW and SSB. Sure, I'll never have a "big gun" signal with this antenna, but it works, its cheap and easy, and I can always find someone to chat with. Once and a while, I even manage to snag some pretty fair DX. The only thing I try to avoid is letting the antenna actually touch any thing. Good luck and good DX de N3TWN John |
"JohnN3TWN" wrote in message ... Please allow me to apologize in advance, but I can't resist asking: "If a dipole falls in a forest and there's no one there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Yes, the sound of its owner swearing up a blue storm at having to get the *&%$ thing back up over "just the right tree branches".... Been using a "random" dipole (actually configured in an inverted vee with 50 foot legs) made from insulated house wire, fed with 450 ohm line, hooked to a little MFJ tuner. QTH is DEEP in the woods and the antenna is VERY close to trees and actually passes within inches of many leaves/branches. Work mostly 40 CW but every so often will wander around from 80 to 10 CW and SSB. Sure, I'll never have a "big gun" signal with this antenna, but it works, its cheap and easy, and I can always find someone to chat with. Once and a while, I even manage to snag some pretty fair DX. The only thing I try to avoid is letting the antenna actually touch any thing. Good luck and good DX de N3TWN John John After re-reading your post I must agree. Wire antennas are cheap and easy. Significant improvements over wire antennas are expensive and difficult. 73 H., NQ5H |
"Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... Reg, G4FGQ wrote: "Just another Foreigner without a vote in the forthcoming presidential election. But which affects me nevertheless." snip. Twice in the 20th Century, the U.S.A. answered desparate calls from Britain and France to send Germany and its allies back to their homes. snip. Nor, was it the U.S.A. which partitioned Palestine. Nor, was it the U.S.A. which promised the Jews a homeland if they would only support the Allied Cause in both world wars.. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI Yes,G.B. should be kicked in the butt in declaring war when they were so broke. If the jews were not willing to react to Germany then the British should have stayed put just like the U.S. as there were no allies at the time, the British were alone! If things had happened that way then there would have no been reason to have an Israel. If there was not an Israel the World would still be united and the U.N. would not be torn apart by the U.S. vetoes. Parts of the World also would not have created a war against Islam and thousands would still be alive. If there was no war in Europe maybe the U.S. would have asked for help against the ' pre emptive' attack, a type of attack that is now the norm. Richard you have provided good food for thought, something like 'if a nail was not lost then a shoe would not have been lost ! ' Obviously the Britts were dummies in fighting those wars , especially when Israel then turned on the U.K. and other countries on a killing spree at home and abroard..........Yes it is all Britain's fault Not sure if the U.S. would have entered the war if it wasn't for Japan but if G.B. told the Jewish bankers where to stick their 40 pieces of silver we would not now be at war against Islam and parts of the World where Islam is accepted and we all would have been much happier . O if we all had the benefit of hindsight the World would be a more peaceful place. Art |
For "Weapons of Mass Destruction" read "Multi-nationals", "Wall Street",
"Energy Resources", "CIA", "Pentagon" and "N.American Branch of the Mafia". Bush and Blair just obey instructions. Lord help us! |
"Energy sources" !
What is the total length of pipe lines involved with oil in the MidEast? Using 24/7 time lines does America have enough troops or reservists to position every 100 yards to prevent tampering ? The largest user of oil has the economy that goes down the fastest while the supplier only needs enough for cooking. If 'push comes to shove' what would be the result of that scenario ? Listen to the debate tonight and hear what the candidates have to say about that. General Electric is ahead of the game by buying up the majoratory of railroad cars in the U.S.for shipping goods by rail like Europe in the event of oil problems Just look at any highway to measure the trucking industry dependance on fuel and then estimate the time and expense needed to replace the highways with rail tracks. Maybe we should learn to live with people with religeons different from our own and force a return of the holy places that have been stolen from them. Bush authorised more building on the West Bank stating it will be difficult to remove them once they have built their homes. This said regardless of the thoughts of the rest of the World who we hope to ask to come and help us and kill all those who have the temererity to resist the land take over. Do we in the U.S. have to wait for hindsight to determine whether it is possible to turn a corner when all are in a free fall mode without the provision of allies to hold a safety net? Art "Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... For "Weapons of Mass Destruction" read "Multi-nationals", "Wall Street", "Energy Resources", "CIA", "Pentagon" and "N.American Branch of the Mafia". Bush and Blair just obey instructions. Lord help us! |
if there is a half-wave dipole in the forest and the radio is off becuase
the user is busy trying to model it and discuss it on the internet does anyone hear it? |
Reg There are enough reasonable people in Iran and China that they can come along on their own if enough are smart and all are lucky. I've had students from both countries and they were quite bright and rational. Pyongyang is problematic and our own fault. Should have finished it in '53. 73 H. And how would we have done that? Surely not the Goldwater method ! Art |
Art Unwin wrote:
"And how would we have done that? Surely not the Goldwater method!" H wrote: Pyongyang is problematic and our fault. Should have finished it in `53." I agree with H. McArthur should have had support from an A-bomb on Pyongyang, followed by similar strikes in China and Russia. We had a nuclear monopoly at that time. The Cold War would have been nipped in the bud. We would have had to be extremely vigilant to find and destroy any nuclear threat, and keep the U.S. monopoly. We just could not accept killing so many innocent people to control a hostile world. Good deeds are always punished? Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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