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Making a simple antenna
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 17:10:16 GMT, Richard Clark
wrote: To get the wavelength, divide 300 by the number of MHz. I should have said the resulting number would the length in Meters. For example with your 400MHz = 75cM 900MHz = 33cM the elaborate answer would tend toward: 400MHz = 71 - 72cM 900MHz = 31 - 32cM |
Richard Clark wrote:
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 13:49:19 -0400, "Jack Painter" wrote: So Richard, if you will kindly put your sword away Hi Jack, And remove your opportunity to swing a rusty razor blade? I notice reciprocity rules even when resistance is offered. I also note the irony of suppressing such statements as I offer to reduce the chatter, by offering the increase of chatter in like statements as bait - you caught this fish! ;-) Everyone is entitled to their opinion. And some lack the common sense to keep it to themselves. ac6xg |
"Richard Clark" wrote I am currently listening to a Lewis Lapham talk put on by our local "Town Hall." 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Hi Richard, Who cares what town hall meetings you listen to? Unsubstantiated crap or the word of God, on a list where it belongs, or in personal e-mails, you'll find a sword's edge you have to reckon with, but you waste everyone's time in rec.radio.xx telling us about it. You have so many valuable opinions and expertise in several areas, but you're a common flamer when it comes to this newsgroup lately. Nothing I read in hundreds of your posts before had such diversions. Will the real radioman please come back? Best regards, Jack |
"Richard Clark" wrote I respond to issues that demand analysis. I put up examples and note their correlation. When I get flak that constitutes nothing more than "t'ain't so" I am satisfied the point remains unchallenged, much less untoppled. I have offered authorities on the subject from BOTH sides of the aisle. (I haven't even yet mentioned what Cornel West had to say.) I perceive nothing but denial from your comments or the grief of illusions shattered. I've probably heard more Republicans say ditch Bush (Bill Ruckelshaus and Russell Train two weeks ago) than Democrats. I've probably registered more Republicans who want to kick Bush out than Democrats who want to elect Kerry. Hi Richard, you are starting the flames of issues not asked here, and doing a boring job of it at that. It is impolite to make unsolicited replies to an individual's email, so we punish the group for it. Proud to be part of that, I'm not. You haven't read anything that most of us here haven't already or couldn't if we wanted to. Whatever your education in political science is (it was an 18 credit minor in college for me), you seem unaware that there isn't a debatable difference between the Republican and Democratic Parties today. Rhetoric aside, and that means ignoring the speakers you love to reference as well as all pre-election babble, I'm going to offer that if you want to debate something here, shift a thread with [OT} in the subject, and then pick a topic you have real interest in, not some speaker/flavor of the day that blew your skirt up on the radio. One speaker offered he could respect Barry Goldwater who found the neo-cons a bunch of effete hypocrites (they all come from the left-wing if you weren't aware). The speaker offered Barry was a lone wolf when he went against the establishment - now the Right Whiners are a herd of sheep. This is exactly what I'm talking about. No connection to anything, stereotyping without factual reference or relevance, and closing with an opinion you obviously like, but which differs with millions of people who are well educated and very committed to understanding and explaining conservative principles. Assuming you really desire to make a contribution to solving America's problems, then knowing America's strengths, and how we got here, is of course a prerequisite. I consider the choice of experts which you consider quotable to indicate you are lacking in those fundamentals, offering a weak attempt to impress others with your street knowledge of the hacks-of-the day. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC 73, Jack Painter Virginia Beach |
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 19:27:38 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: doing a boring job of it at that Hi Jack, This is a curious complaint as I review your past correspondence. For more than a week it constitutes basically non-antenna discussion with a vengeance: The date format on should it be 9/11 or 11/9; firearms and gun control for 7 out of 8 postings by you in "half-wave dipole in the forest"; a lob against the school system; and 3 here in this and the original thread. Lately you seem to be quite bored with antennas. Others can compare my choice of subjects responded to, and how well. To this point, one nameless canuk takes issue and I note your absence in all of those discussions. Should we continue with what Cornel West had to say? :-) It is impolite to make unsolicited replies to an individual's email, so we punish the group for it. shows an odd reason to create your own topic. Further, your statement, as intriguing as it is, doesn't make any sense on the face of it. This is exactly what I'm talking about. No connection to anything, And one wonders how you can both complain of it, and simultaneously offer so much of it in the same breath. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
Jack Painter wrote:
(it was an 18 credit minor in college for me), you seem unaware that there isn't a debatable difference between the Republican and Democratic Parties today. Jack, My opinion of you just went up by quite a bit! But I would like a *candidate* that a *conservative* could vote for!!!! Neocons just strike me as Liberals with bad tempers. People argue Republican vs. Democrat like they do Coke vs. Pepsi. The closer the products, the more shrill the arguments. And in the end, despite all the sound and fury, they both taste like carbonated battery acid. - Mike KB3EIA - |
"Mike Coslo" wrote
Jack Painter wrote: (it was an 18 credit minor in college for me), you seem unaware that there isn't a debatable difference between the Republican and Democratic Parties today. Jack, My opinion of you just went up by quite a bit! Hi Mike, well my first 2 years of undergraduate *were* at Penn State! But I would like a *candidate* that a *conservative* could vote for!!!! Yes, we knew we were in trouble when Christine Todd Whitman said "It's my party too". Neocons just strike me as Liberals with bad tempers. The Michael Moore syndrome? People argue Republican vs. Democrat like they do Coke vs. Pepsi. The closer the products, the more shrill the arguments. And in the end, despite all the sound and fury, they both taste like carbonated battery acid. Check out Pat Buchanon's book "Death of the West". Then thank folks like Richard that *want* to be conservative, but because their eyes suddenly open to hypocrosies in Republican administrations, they blow their bugle of reteat (from the *rear* of course) leaving us standing up on the front lines alone. Meanwhile they aid and abet the enemy by leading attacks against us. In truth, probably the last thing he really wants is to harm his country. But definitely the least kind of person in the world you would want in a foxhole with you! - Mike KB3EIA - Cheers, Jack Painter Virginia Beach VA |
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:20:34 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: Then thank folks like Richard that *want* to be conservative Hi Jack, Still bored? :-) 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
"Richard Clark" wrote On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:20:34 -0400, "Jack Painter" wrote: Then thank folks like Richard that *want* to be conservative Hi Jack, Still bored? :-) 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Hi Richard, nope - and I'm actually erecting that center-fed inverted-L this weekend for 2182+ coverage. The advice and help I have received from this group (and especially from you) is appreciated. I picked up the materials today at Radio Works in Portsmouth. They suggested I try a bob-tail curtain if the L doesn't work out. I don't know anyone using that type of antenna on a small scale ( we have a rather monstrous one at work, but it is designed as a cloud-warmer, out to 300 miles coverage). Jack |
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:02:46 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: "Richard Clark" wrote On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:20:34 -0400, "Jack Painter" wrote: Then thank folks like Richard that *want* to be conservative Hi Jack, Still bored? :-) 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Hi Richard, nope - and I'm actually erecting that center-fed inverted-L this weekend for 2182+ coverage. The advice and help I have received from this group (and especially from you) is appreciated. I picked up the materials today at Radio Works in Portsmouth. They suggested I try a bob-tail curtain if the L doesn't work out. I don't know anyone using that type of antenna on a small scale ( we have a rather monstrous one at work, but it is designed as a cloud-warmer, out to 300 miles coverage). Jack Hi Jack, Myself, I have just completed building a conventional inverted L. Just moments from seeing how it plays as I pen this. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
Just in quest? Seems that all have opinions, just like all have anal
openings. How and when the opinions are shared is one's personal choice. Many times to the chagrin of the reader, listener, et al fin. Information shared is great, wisdom gained as to the implementation of the information is superior to the original material being shared, ability of receiver to determine which is to be considered is golden. Cheers "Richard Clark" wrote in message ... On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 01:02:46 -0400, "Jack Painter" wrote: "Richard Clark" wrote On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:20:34 -0400, "Jack Painter" wrote: Then thank folks like Richard that *want* to be conservative Hi Jack, Still bored? :-) 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Hi Richard, nope - and I'm actually erecting that center-fed inverted-L this weekend for 2182+ coverage. The advice and help I have received from this group (and especially from you) is appreciated. I picked up the materials today at Radio Works in Portsmouth. They suggested I try a bob-tail curtain if the L doesn't work out. I don't know anyone using that type of antenna on a small scale ( we have a rather monstrous one at work, but it is designed as a cloud-warmer, out to 300 miles coverage). Jack Hi Jack, Myself, I have just completed building a conventional inverted L. Just moments from seeing how it plays as I pen this. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:20:34 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: But definitely the least kind of person in the world you would want in a foxhole with you! - Mike KB3EIA - Cheers, Jack Painter Virginia Beach VA Eh? What branch of the service were you in? bob k5qwg |
"Bob Miller" wrote On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:20:34 -0400, "Jack Painter" wrote: But definitely the least kind of person in the world you would want in a foxhole with you! - Mike KB3EIA - Cheers, Jack Painter Virginia Beach VA Eh? What branch of the service were you in? bob k5qwg Hello Eh? Try not to take what was only a political analogy too far out of context. Or are you starting a what branch of the service were you in thread? Reminds me of letters from kindergardeners to Veterans on Veterans Day. I get those from my nieces and nephews. Jack |
On Fri, 24 Sep 2004 18:22:32 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: "Bob Miller" wrote On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:20:34 -0400, "Jack Painter" wrote: But definitely the least kind of person in the world you would want in a foxhole with you! - Mike KB3EIA - Cheers, Jack Painter Virginia Beach VA Eh? What branch of the service were you in? bob k5qwg Hello Eh? Try not to take what was only a political analogy too far out of context. Or are you starting a what branch of the service were you in thread? Reminds me of letters from kindergardeners to Veterans on Veterans Day. I get those from my nieces and nephews. Jack Just curious what branch ol' chickenhawk Jack served in -- we have too many such people screwing up the country right now. bob k5qwg |
Jack Painter wrote in message news:8JG4d.3993$%t3.731@lakeread01... Unsubstantiated crap or the word of God Pretty much the same thing, isn't it? It seems this NG has gone the way of the rest: the division between the born-again zealots vs. the normal folks, and the resulting degradation in human interaction. What a pity! The zealots are unintentionally giving the mega-corps and the mega-rich the power to virtually run this country. Being in absolute control of the FCC, what they will eventually do with the radio spectrum (in the interest of mega-profits) will not be in the interest of amateur radio - the BPL boondoggle, is a precursor and good example of what to expect from an exclusively neo-con, pro mega-corp government. It seems apparent that every so often, we as a people, must re-learn a valuable lesson: religion should have no power or influence in the politics of a democracy! How are you Bu****es going to react when you realize you've been duped into helping turn this country into a plutocracy - theological or not? Just my opinion, of course... Chuck, WA7RAI |
As a preacher, a "born-again zealot" as you would call it, please keep your
personal opinions to yourself. This news group is about antennas, not anti-religion rants. Randy Ka4nma |
Theplanters95 wrote in message ... As a preacher, a "born-again zealot" as you would call it, please keep your personal opinions to yourself. This news group is about antennas, not anti-religion rants. Randy Ka4nma Hi Randy, Religious fanaticism is anti liberty, and liberty is the foundation of American values. To speak out against this lunacy does not make one anti religious, just anti fanatic... anti zealot - a distinction that seems to have evaded you. The Islamic Jihadist's and terrorists are religious zealots (fanatics) that hate liberty loving folks (liberals) every bit as much as you do. Zealots are zealots, regardless of clothes they wear or the deity they worship. Jesus' sermon on the mound, was certainly NOT about fanaticism... or political power, deception, and spreading lies about opponents... just the opposite, in fact! That said, you should have noticed the topic of my post was about political ramifications in regards to ham radio. It was not anti-religious. Chuck, WA7RAI |
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:04:18 -0700, "Chuck"
wrote: The zealots are unintentionally giving the mega-corps and the mega-rich the power to virtually run this country. Being in absolute control of the FCC, what they will eventually do with the radio spectrum (in the interest of mega-profits) will not be in the interest of amateur radio - the BPL boondoggle, is a precursor and good example of what to expect from an exclusively neo-con, pro mega-corp government. "Now I saw in my dream that Christian and Hopeful forsook Mr. By-ends, and kept their distance before him; but one of them looking back, saw three men following Mr. By-ends, and behold, as they came up with him, he made them a very low bow; and they also gave him a compliment. The men's names were Mr. Hold-the-world, Mr. Money-love, and Mr. Save-all; men that Mr. By-ends had formerly been acquainted with; for in their minority they were schoolfellows, and were taught by one Mr. Gripe-man, a schoolmaster in Love-gain, which is a market town in the county of Coveting, in the north. This schoolmaster taught them the art of getting, either by violence, cozenage, flattery, lying, or by putting on the guise of religion; and these four gentlemen had attained much of the art of their master, so that they could each of them have kept such a school themselves. "Well, when they had, as I said, thus saluted each other, Mr. Money-love said to Mr. By-ends, Who are they upon the road before us? (for Christian and Hopeful were yet within view). "BY-ENDS. They are a couple of far countrymen, that, after their mode, are going on pilgrimage. "MONEY-LOVE. Alas! Why did they not stay, that we might have had their good company? for they, and we, and you, Sir, I hope, are all going on pilgrimage. "BY-ENDS. Why, they, after their headstrong manner, conclude that it is duty to rush on their journey all weathers; and I am for waiting for wind and tide. They are for hazarding all for God at a clap; and I am for taking all advantages to secure my life and estate. They are for holding their notions, though all other men are against them; but I am for religion in what, and so far as the times, and my safety, will bear it. They are for religion when in rags and contempt; but I am for him when he walks in his golden slippers, in the sunshine, and with applause." 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
Richard Clark wrote:
On Sun, 26 Sep 2004 13:04:18 -0700, "Chuck" wrote: The zealots are unintentionally giving the mega-corps and the mega-rich the power to virtually run this country. Being in absolute control of the FCC, what they will eventually do with the radio spectrum (in the interest of mega-profits) will not be in the interest of amateur radio - the BPL boondoggle, is a precursor and good example of what to expect from an exclusively neo-con, pro mega-corp government. "Now I saw in my dream that Christian and Hopeful forsook Mr. By-ends, and kept their distance before him; but one of them looking back, saw three men following Mr. By-ends, and behold, as they came up with him, he made them a very low bow; and they also gave him a compliment. The men's names were Mr. Hold-the-world, Mr. Money-love, and Mr. Save-all; men that Mr. By-ends had formerly been acquainted with; for in their minority they were schoolfellows, and were taught by one Mr. Gripe-man, a schoolmaster in Love-gain, which is a market town in the county of Coveting, in the north. This schoolmaster taught them the art of getting, either by violence, cozenage, flattery, lying, or by putting on the guise of religion; and these four gentlemen had attained much of the art of their master, so that they could each of them have kept such a school themselves. "Well, when they had, as I said, thus saluted each other, Mr. Money-love said to Mr. By-ends, Who are they upon the road before us? (for Christian and Hopeful were yet within view). "BY-ENDS. They are a couple of far countrymen, that, after their mode, are going on pilgrimage. "MONEY-LOVE. Alas! Why did they not stay, that we might have had their good company? for they, and we, and you, Sir, I hope, are all going on pilgrimage. "BY-ENDS. Why, they, after their headstrong manner, conclude that it is duty to rush on their journey all weathers; and I am for waiting for wind and tide. They are for hazarding all for God at a clap; and I am for taking all advantages to secure my life and estate. They are for holding their notions, though all other men are against them; but I am for religion in what, and so far as the times, and my safety, will bear it. They are for religion when in rags and contempt; but I am for him when he walks in his golden slippers, in the sunshine, and with applause." 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC This sounds like Pilgrim's Progress. I never thought, in my wildest dreams, anyone would ever quote it on the internet. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:02:27 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote: This sounds like Pilgrim's Progress. It is. Hi Tom, When common sense takes the back seat (or left to hitch-hike home), fables have often risen in defense against the caprice of arbitrary power. Literature is rich in regard to the travesty of logic that is being passed off as the boon of a new age. I could have as easily found material in the Canterbury Tales, The Decameron, The Song of Roland, The Poem of the Cid.... The effete nabobs of negativism in our Administration shrink in sharp contrast to the legendary heroes of fighting cultures. Bush in his flight suit and helmet reminds me of that pathetic picture of Dukakis in the Tank - what a matched pair! 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
Chuck,
If you check American History, you will see a lot of colonies were founded for religious freedom. As a Baptist, one of our unique features is an emphasis on religious liberty. We can agree to disagree, but true Chrisitanity seeks liberty. Also, many of our presidents were Christian or religious. Religious expression is found in our guiding documents, such as the Dec. of Independence, and the Constitution. Islam is not the same as Christianity. Not all religions are the same or teach the same. Just remember that "theology" can be different, but ethics, such as the Golden Rule, can be the same.Look at the core beliefs and you will see major differences. One of the differences is that Islam practices conversion by the sword. Some misguided Christians in the past have also practiced it, but as you point out the Sermon on the Mount does not support it. I am a Christian "fanatic" as it is my job and my passion. It has changed my life for the better. I vote my Christian beliefs, irregardless of the political party. And the Bible tells us to pray for the kings over us. Since we do not have a king, but we can see a principle to pray for our government leaders - All of them. It is not lunacy to accept and practice religious belief (and I am talking in general terms of all the world religions and sects). What is lunacy is to misapply religion and use for personal gain, to control people or put people down because of differing beliefs (For more religious discrimination, check out Islam and Hinduism, and the Eastern Orthodox churches). As you said, the foundation of American Values is liberty and that includes the free practice of religious beliefs. BTW instead of WWJD, WRJU - What Radio would Jesus Use? With all of his travels, I would guess an FT-817 portable radio. :-) Randy |
"Theplanters95" wrote in message ... Chuck, If you check American History, you will see a lot of colonies were founded for religious freedom. As a Baptist, one of our unique features is an emphasis on religious liberty. We can agree to disagree, but true Chrisitanity seeks liberty. Also, many of our presidents were Christian or religious. Religious expression is found in our guiding documents, such as the Dec. of Independence, and the Constitution. Yep, and that expression is one of hope that the government not be beholden to any Official Christianity. For the past couple of millennia, Official Christianity has been seeking the divine path and simultaneously exterminating all those who would diverge from the Official Truth. Life has gotten very troublesome when several competing versions of Official Christian Truth have had to share the same time and space. Christianity does not seek liberty, and in the historical record, has often been liberty's greatest foe. Of the various flavors of Christianity available today, broadly, to be a Christian, you have to either recognize a religious hierarchy as superior to your individual liberty, or accept the literal word of the Bible, which can only be done by Faith (which let's you ignore a whole lot of problematic Biblical advice). The trouble with being a True Believer is that there is no way to agree to disagree. No matter how politely you disagree with my truth, that's heresy! How can I let a heretic teach my kids in public school? I must struggle (in the best jihad sense) to help the truth prevail. You must be persuaded, re-educated, or.... eliminated. BTW, I think that only Rhode Island & Providence Plantations was formed mostly for religious freedom (fleeing the hobnailed boots of religious intolerance then existing in....., uhhh, Massachusetts), all the other American colonies were formed to turn a profit for an investment trust. And, a hundred years later, those God-fearing folks were up to their eyebrows in utilizing and turning a big profit from black slavery. Who woulda thunk it, Brown Sugar? Ed wb6wsn |
"Richard Clark" wrote /snip fighting cultures. Bush in his flight suit and helmet reminds me of that pathetic picture of Dukakis in the Tank - what a matched pair! 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Hi Richard, need we point out to you the absurdity of comparison between a pretender waving from armor he never saw before in his life, to a qualifed USAF jet fighter pilot who gets suited back up for a carrier landing? We can find a lot of things to disagree with President Bush's policies about, but one thing he is not, is a phony. 73, Jack Painter Virginia Beach VA |
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 10:33:33 -0400, "Jack Painter"
wrote: We can find a lot of things to disagree with President Bush's policies about, but one thing he is not, is a phony. Hi Jack, Now there's a forced presumption. :-) Then says Rollanz: "Wherefore so wroth with me?" He answers him: "Comrade, it was your deed: Vassalage comes by sense, and not folly; Prudence more worth is than stupidity. Here are Franks dead, all for your trickery; No more service to Carlun may we yield. My lord were here now, had you trusted me, And fought and won this battle then had we, Taken or slain were the king Marsilie. In your prowess, Rollanz, no good we've seen! Charles the great in vain your aid will seek -- None such as he till God His Judgement speak; -- Here must you die, and France in shame be steeped; Here perishes our loyal company, Before this night great severance and grief." AOI. A pretty rough translation, no doubt about it, but from another: "Then Roland says: 'Why are you angry with me?' And he answers: 'Companion, it is your own doing, for knightly courage used with prudence is one thing and folly is another, and tempered judgment is more to be valued than the rashness of arrogance. Those French are dead because of your heedlessness, and we will never act again in Charles' service. If you had listened to me, my lord would have returned and we would have won this battle and King Marsiliun would have been captured or killed. Woe to us, Roland, that we ever saw your bravery! Charles the Great, a man whose like will never be see again until God judges the world, will no longer be able to rely on our help, and you will die, and shame will come to France. Today our faithful friendship will end, and before evening we will have parted in sorrow." 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
Jack Painter wrote in message news:1De6d.5748$%t3.2636@lakeread01... "Richard Clark" wrote /snip fighting cultures. Bush in his flight suit and helmet reminds me of that pathetic picture of Dukakis in the Tank - what a matched pair! 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Hi Richard, need we point out to you the absurdity of comparison between a pretender waving from armor he never saw before in his life, to a qualifed USAF jet fighter pilot who gets suited back up for a carrier landing? We can find a lot of things to disagree with President Bush's policies about, but one thing he is not, is a phony. 73, Jack Painter Virginia Beach VA A true believer you are, Jack... Consider the fact that Bush did not complete his pilot training by refusing to take his annual flight physical and flight review, thus was removed from flight status. Phoney docs aside, his military record is good authority to verify this. The fact that he claims to be a fighter pilot not only makes the man a phony, he is a dishonest one as well. Oh... he was not a USAF officer, but a member if the ANG - a USAF auxillary. Chuck, WA7RAI |
Theplanters95 wrote in message ... Chuck, If you check American History, you will see a lot of colonies were founded for religious freedom. As a Baptist, one of our unique features is an emphasis on religious liberty. We can agree to disagree, but true Chrisitanity seeks liberty. Also, many of our presidents were Christian or religious. Religious expression is found in our guiding documents, such as the Dec. of Independence, and the Constitution. Islam is not the same as Christianity. Not all religions are the same or teach the same. Just remember that "theology" can be different, but ethics, such as the Golden Rule, can be the same.Look at the core beliefs and you will see major differences. One of the differences is that Islam practices conversion by the sword. Some misguided Christians in the past have also practiced it, but as you point out the Sermon on the Mount does not support it. I am a Christian "fanatic" as it is my job and my passion. It has changed my life for the better. I vote my Christian beliefs, irregardless of the political party. And the Bible tells us to pray for the kings over us. Since we do not have a king, but we can see a principle to pray for our government leaders - All of them. It is not lunacy to accept and practice religious belief (and I am talking in general terms of all the world religions and sects). What is lunacy is to misapply religion and use for personal gain, to control people or put people down because of differing beliefs (For more religious discrimination, check out Islam and Hinduism, and the Eastern Orthodox churches). As you said, the foundation of American Values is liberty and that includes the free practice of religious beliefs. Indeed, which includess the liberty to not practice a religion as well. To consider Hinduism and Islam as similar, strongly suggests a lack of understanding of either. In regards to discrimination, one must understand Hinduism believes in the law of Karma: "as ye sow so shall ye reap". If one is born to a lowly state in this life, it is a result of bad actions in a previous life, thus one is deserving of their current state of existence. That said, I agree that true Christianity seeks liberty (It is obvious that the Christ's teachings were liberal) but the modern Christian Churches do not practice true Christianity at all. Allow me to elaborate: Islam, Judaism, and modern Christianity all believe in the god of Abraham. The Christ said he came to "throw out the old law" - which can only be construed as meaning the OT and the god of Abraham. Christ's God is a God of love, compassion, brotherly love, humility, judge not, and live and let live, etc... In contrast, Abraham's god was violent, angry, hateful, jealous, full of spite, and sought vengeance by killing the unfaithful. From this, it is easy to see why the world is so violent and full of hate, given that the major religions use such a horrific deity as an example for living one's life. Chuck, WA7RAI |
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 28 Sep 2004 03:02:27 GMT, "Tom Donaly" wrote: This sounds like Pilgrim's Progress. It is. Hi Tom, When common sense takes the back seat (or left to hitch-hike home), fables have often risen in defense against the caprice of arbitrary power. Literature is rich in regard to the travesty of logic that is being passed off as the boon of a new age. I could have as easily found material in the Canterbury Tales, The Decameron, The Song of Roland, The Poem of the Cid.... The effete nabobs of negativism in our Administration shrink in sharp contrast to the legendary heroes of fighting cultures. Bush in his flight suit and helmet reminds me of that pathetic picture of Dukakis in the Tank - what a matched pair! 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Hi Richard, that's a good reason more people should take time to read some of the old literatu to keep down the rate of public hornswoggling of second-rate leaders. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
Jack Painter wrote:
"Richard Clark" wrote /snip fighting cultures. Bush in his flight suit and helmet reminds me of that pathetic picture of Dukakis in the Tank - what a matched pair! 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Hi Richard, need we point out to you the absurdity of comparison between a pretender waving from armor he never saw before in his life, to a qualifed USAF jet fighter pilot who gets suited back up for a carrier landing? We can find a lot of things to disagree with President Bush's policies about, but one thing he is not, is a phony. 73, Jack Painter Virginia Beach VA I suppose George was born with his Texas sharecropper accent, and his good, honest, Republican smirk. Give us a break, Jack. All politicians are phony through and through. Unfortunately, in George's case, that's all he's got - phoniness. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
We do not pray to the same God. Islam is based on the blending of tribal
religions and misunderstandings of Christianity and Judism. The god of Islam is more along the lines of the Arabic moon god, Allah, not the God of Christianity. Randy |
Oh I forgot, Islam recognizes Jesus as another prophet with Mohammed being the
last and greatest. Islam does not recognize that Jesus is the Son of God, and is indeed God. Randy |
Chuck,
Reread my post. I said that Islam and Hinduism both practice religious discrimination. In fact Islam is monthiestic will Hindi's are polytheistic. As you posted, religious liberty includes the right not to practice. But religious liberty also includes my right to vote based on religious beliefs, to work as a minister seeking to help mankind, and even evangelise and pass out information in public forums. Of the 13 colonies that were founded for religious freedom, I can think of Mass., Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. 5 out of 13. Several other colonies offered freedom from religious discrimination. Randy |
"Theplanters95" wrote in message
... Chuck, Reread my post. I said that Islam and Hinduism both practice religious discrimination. In fact Islam is monthiestic will Hindi's are polytheistic. As you posted, religious liberty includes the right not to practice. But religious liberty also includes my right to vote based on religious beliefs, to work as a minister seeking to help mankind, and even evangelise and pass out information in public forums. Of the 13 colonies that were founded for religious freedom, I can think of Mass., Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. 5 out of 13. Several other colonies offered freedom from religious discrimination. Randy Massachusetts was hardly "founded for religious freedom." It was founded by true believers who had The Answer. Escaping persecution doesn't mean one won't practice it when in power. A strong case can be made that Hinduism is basically monotheistic -- as with many/most religions (Rabbinical Judaism and Islam excepted) the popular beliefs tend toward polytheism (e.g., Christian trinity, saints and he semi-deification of Mary). While "work as a minister seeking to help mankind" might not be technically oxymoronic it is not more meaningful than "work as a garbage collector (or even, gasp, an EE) to help mankind." Paul |
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"Theplanters95" wrote in message ... Chuck, Reread my post. I said that Islam and Hinduism both practice religious discrimination. In fact Islam is monthiestic will Hindi's are polytheistic. As you posted, religious liberty includes the right not to practice. But religious liberty also includes my right to vote based on religious beliefs, to work as a minister seeking to help mankind, and even evangelise and pass out information in public forums. Of the 13 colonies that were founded for religious freedom, I can think of Mass., Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. 5 out of 13. Several other colonies offered freedom from religious discrimination. Randy Massachusetts was hardly "founded for religious freedom." It was founded by true believers who had The Answer. Escaping persecution doesn't mean one won't practice it when in power. A strong case can be made that Hinduism is basically monotheistic -- as with many/most religions (Rabbinical Judaism and Islam excepted) the popular beliefs tend toward polytheism (e.g., Christian trinity, saints and he semi-deification of Mary). While "work as a minister seeking to help mankind" might not be technically oxymoronic it is not more meaningful than "work as a garbage collector (or even, gasp, an EE) to help mankind." Paul Most of the hick preachers I've known have spent more time helping themselves to their followers money than helping mankind. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH |
On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:47:19 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote: Most of the hick preachers I've known have spent more time helping themselves to their followers money than helping mankind. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH Just watch the God Channel on Sat TV ... that's some big business! |
Theplanters95 wrote in message ... Chuck, Reread my post. I said that Islam and Hinduism both practice religious discrimination. In fact Islam is monthiestic will Hindi's are polytheistic. Well, actually, the Hundu religion is monotheistic as well: many sub-deities, but only one God. Modern Christianity has many sub-deities as well, only they are called angels. The Hundu God is a loving god, as that of the Christ, not warlike like the god of Abraham which faux-Christians worship today. In any case, I took issue with your notion of discrimination... perhaps you should re-read my post. As you posted, religious liberty includes the right not to practice. But religious liberty also includes my right to vote based on religious beliefs, to work as a minister seeking to help mankind, and even evangelise and pass out information in public forums. Yes, you can vote any way you wish, but if your church holds a non-profit status, then passing out political fliers is illegal, since this makes your church a political orginization, subject to taxation. You do not have a right to be a criminal, nor is it ethical (or honest) to usurp the intent or spirit of that law. If you really want to help mankind, then mind your own business (worry about 'saving' yourself, not others) since historically, religion has been responsible for most wars, oppression, and human misery! Of the 13 colonies that were founded for religious freedom, I can think of Mass., Rhode Island, New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and Maryland. 5 out of 13. Several other colonies offered freedom from religious discrimination. Folks left Europe for the 'New World' mainly to get away religious oppression - similar to what we can expect from perverted cults like your power hungry Pat Robertson's coalition. You can Justify your actions by any number of historical revisions, but the fact remains; America was founded as a secular nation and religion has no role to play in its government. Now, if a bunch of crazy Mullah's were to take your position - wishing to influence government policy - your position would take a 180° turn in NY minute... flip-flop! Chuck, WA7RAI Randy |
Peter wrote in message ... On Wed, 29 Sep 2004 16:47:19 GMT, "Tom Donaly" wrote: Most of the hick preachers I've known have spent more time helping themselves to their followers money than helping mankind. 73, Tom Donaly, KA6RUH Just watch the God Channel on Sat TV ... that's some big business! Tom, I just read where Trinity Broadcasting is undergoing an audit... seems the big cheese there is living a lifestyle way too opulent for his salary... ;) Chuck, WA7RAI |
Theplanters95 wrote in message ... Oh I forgot, Islam recognizes Jesus as another prophet with Mohammed being the last and greatest. Islam does not recognize that Jesus is the Son of God, and is indeed God. Randy Are you saying Jesus created the Universe and the laws of physics? Chuck, WA7RAI |
Chuck, et al:
Yes, Jesus created the laws of physics and created the universe. I can hear it now, Creation vs Intellegent Design vs Evolution. 3 seperate ideas.. That is a Off Topic and Off List question. How can you say Hinduism is a peaceful monotheistic religion? One of the major goddess is Shiva. Or what about Krishnia? They have hundreds of gods and goddess. In may parts of India, it is illegal to convert from Hinduism to another religion, often punished by torture and/or death. The Caste system and the Law of Karma is one of the major discriminators in the world. The trinity is 1 God in three persons. As a Baptist, we do not diefy Mary the mother of Jesus nor worship the "Saints". The God of Abraham in the OT is the same God of the NT. God the father, God the Son (Jesus) and the Holy Spirit is one God in 3 essences. Sort of like a man being a husband, father and brother - three distinct roles, but one person. Angels are created beings, not to be worshipped or diefied as a God. May I suggest you read some of the historic creeds and confessions of faith, such as the Apostle Creed, Nicine Creed, The London Confession, and the Southern Baptist Statement of faith? This will help you better understand the main doctrines of Christianity verses some of the strange teachings seen on Trinity. On the political side, when people ask or talk politics to me, I tell them that the Bible tells us to pray for the kings over us. Since USA does not have a king, the principle to be applied is pray for our Government leaders, starting with our local leaders, and pray for Kerry and Bush, or Bush and Kerry. The Bible also tells us to be good citizens, so please go vote. As you can see, I endorse no candiate or party. Even though position papers and voter guides (if they do not endorse any person or party) are legal to give out, I will not, because politics is too sensitive. If asked a question, say for example, What does the Bible say about abortion, or any other issue, I will show what the Bible says. Basically, I say, read the Bible, read pro and con arguements and then make up your mind. Christians should not be brain dead robots, but people with critical thinking skills. Of course, a Christian worldview should be based around the Bible. Yes. I have 2 degrees, and have studied most ot the world religions, science, philosophy and "humanism". I made my decision. On money. If, I was after money, I would have stayed a mid-level computer programmer making 4 times my pastor salary. Would you be interested in donating a Raibeam to a poor preacher?? :-) But then I would need a tower and a rotor and approval from the Historical Commission...:-) I did not know Trinity Broadcasting was being audited. I have heard about the sex scandal - One of the founders tried to bribe somebody not to talk of homosexual affair. Trinity is not on the local cable system, and I have strong concerns about them. Thanks for the info. In the past, I have watched Trinity mainly to see what strange clothes would be worn, and what outlandish statements made. Sure was fun, but sad -- thinking about the people being duped by them. It is evident that you are well versed in the many world religions. May I suggest you read the series of books by Lee Strobel? They all start out "The Case for ..." Lee was a news reporter and atheist and has written several books detailing his experiences. Have you read Josh Mcdowells books on Evidences for Christianity? The Caner (Canar, sp?) brothers have some excellent books detailing how they grew up as Muslims and then converted to Christianity. I'm confused by the statement that Juduism is not monothiestic. The Shema (Deuteronomy 6:4-9) clearly states that. Can you explain that? It has been fun talking with you. It is past midnight. Time to go QRT. Randy |
Theplanters95 wrote in message ... Chuck, et al: Yes, Jesus created the laws of physics and created the universe. Ummm... this means the universe is only about 2000 years old, right? How can you say Hinduism is a peaceful monotheistic religion? One of the major goddess is Shiva. Or what about Krishnia? Shiva is a lower deity like an archangel... Krishna was a man. Most Hindi are vegetarians because they do not believe in killing... that's peaceful. Obviously, your mind is made up that Hindu is not monotheistic. The Caste system and the Law of Karma is one of the major discriminators in the world. The Law of Karma is similar to a law of physics: for every action there is an opposite and equal reaction - which can also be said as: "as ye sow, so shall ye reap". I don't defend the cast system, but I do understand its religious basis. Let me suggest that you should inform yourself in this regard as well. The God of Abraham in the OT is the same God of the NT. Perhaps in the mind of faux-Christians... But in reality they are contradictory: one a god of love and compassion, the other a god of hatred, violence, and oppression. On the political side, when people ask or talk politics to me, I tell them that the Bible tells us to pray for the kings over us. The Bible also says to slay the wicked and perform other violent acts - in complete contradiction to the teachings of the Christ. He said in regards to evangelism: "cast not your pearls before swine". In regards to politics: "leave unto Caesar what is Caesar's... ". If asked a question, say for example, What does the Bible say about abortion, or any other issue, I will show what the Bible says. Basically, I say, read the Bible, read pro and con arguments and then make up your mind. The Bible is the work of man. If you don't believe in abortion, then by all means, do not have one. On the other hand, what right have you to enforce your beliefs on others? Christians should not be brain dead robots, but people with critical thinking skills. . Where is the critical thinking in ignoring contradictions and believing illogical silliness? Of course, a Christian worldview should be based around the Bible. Yes. I have 2 degrees, and have studied most of the world religions, science, philosophy and "humanism". I made my decision Judging from what you write, either you weren't paying much attention, or your 'course' was so biased towards the evangelical point of view, that any modicum of truth about 'world religions' was, on the most part, lost. It is evident that you are well versed in the many world religions. May I suggest you read [... ] Been there, done than - many years ago. Perhaps you should read the 'holy' books of all religions on your own (as opposed to being taught erroneous opinions). At minimum, you could then hold a valid view. I'm confused by the statement that Juduism is not monothiestic. So am I. I did not say that! It has been fun talking with you. It is past midnight. Time to go QRT. Randy I'm glad you're having fun. In truth, this seems more an excursive in futility, than any thing else. Though I was raised as a conservative Christian, I am neither Hindu, Sikh, Muslim, Buddhist, Jewish, Christian, Bahai', Mormon, Eckancar, Brotherhood of light, etc,. I do recognize there is a measure of truth in them all (some more than others). For this reason, it is salient that we do not suppress any religious thought, or promote one over another. America, like India, must remain both democratic and secular. Cheers, Chuck, WA7RAI |
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