Chuck wrote:
Tom Ring wrote in message
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SNIP
In contrast... any leader who's army invades
a sovereign country that is not an immediate
threat to the invading country, is, according to
international law, a war criminal.

You mean like Roosevelt attacking GERMANY ?? Or
TRUMAN attacking North Korea ??





Chuck


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Chuck wrote:
Tom Ring wrote in message
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SNIP
In contrast... any leader who's army invades
a sovereign country that is not an immediate
threat to the invading country, is, according to
international law, a war criminal.

You mean like Roosevelt attacking GERMANY ??

Germany was a direct threat to the entire world,
let alone the USA.

Or TRUMAN attacking North Korea ??

The N. Korea conflict was a UN operation.

Want to try again?

Chuck

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Chuck wrote:

Tom Ring wrote in message
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SNIP
In contrast... any leader who's army invades
a sovereign country that is not an immediate
threat to the invading country, is, according to
international law, a war criminal.

You mean like Roosevelt attacking GERMANY ??


Germany was a direct threat to the entire world,
let alone the USA.


Or TRUMAN attacking North Korea ??


The N. Korea conflict was a UN operation.

Want to try again?

Chuck


Neither ATTACKED us, nor THREATENED US! To state otherwise
means GREMANY ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR. And, JUST WHAT GIVES THE UN
a free pass?? That institution , run by 3rd world DESPOTS, has any
creditability in the scheme of things, is like saying that Heidrich
loved the Jews, and was legitimate in the "benevolent treatment" of them,
during the war! The facts are that : KERRY is a admitted WAR CRIMINAL,
and comitted ATTROCITIES-- to state otherwise is to say that those
POW's that were tortured - deserved THAT TREATMENT- on Kerrys own testimony.
And, as WE WERE ATTACKED ON 9/11, we were as justified in retaliating
as in ANY period of time in the history of the Republic-- or are you
willing to SERVE A SUMMONS to these idiots, and say that they are being sued ??
To even try to justify your position is to beg for further attacks. But, I
guess you think that the World Trade Center was Justifiably attacked, or worse-
WE DESERVED IT ! Jim NN7K

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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:15:12 GMT, "NN7KexNOSPAMk7zfg"
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Neither ATTACKED us, nor THREATENED US!

Germany declared war on the United States 11 December 1941. When did
we attack them previous to that date?

Well, the answer to that is that the Destroyers Greer, Kearney and
Reuben James attacked German submarines. THIS is the Nazi explanation
for their declaration.

In fact, the USS Kearney, DD-432, was torpedoed by the U-568 on 17
October 1941. Six weeks before, the U-652 attacked the Greer.

Well, I suppose Roosevelt melted under pressure to leave Adolf alone,
but then we had the sinking of the Reuben James 30 October 1941 (63
years and a day ago).

For these affronts to their national dignity, the Nazis had no choice
but defend themselves against us - and, well, one thing led to another
as the saying goes.

To state otherwise
means GREMANY ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR. And, JUST WHAT GIVES THE UN
a free pass?? That institution , run by 3rd world DESPOTS,

Was created by the United States, in San Francisco.

The facts are that : KERRY is a admitted WAR CRIMINAL,
and comitted ATTROCITIES
and Bush is crack smoker and was AWOL from assignment.

Just what makes either suitable? Because they are not the other?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard Clark wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:15:12 GMT, "NN7KexNOSPAMk7zfg"
wrote:

Neither ATTACKED us, nor THREATENED US!


Germany declared war on the United States 11 December 1941. When did
we attack them previous to that date?

Well, the answer to that is that the Destroyers Greer, Kearney and
Reuben James attacked German submarines. THIS is the Nazi explanation
for their declaration.


Not to mention that Lend - Lease could be (argueably) considered an act of
war (certanly, NOT an act of Neutrality)!!



In fact, the USS Kearney, DD-432, was torpedoed by the U-568 on 17
October 1941. Six weeks before, the U-652 attacked the Greer.

Well, I suppose Roosevelt melted under pressure to leave Adolf alone,
but then we had the sinking of the Reuben James 30 October 1941 (63
years and a day ago).

For these affronts to their national dignity, the Nazis had no choice
but defend themselves against us - and, well, one thing led to another
as the saying goes.


To state otherwise
means GREMANY ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR. And, JUST WHAT GIVES THE UN
a free pass?? That institution , run by 3rd world DESPOTS,


Was created by the United States, in San Francisco.

Yeh, and also the League of Nations- But I Repeat: Just WHAT gives
ANY of these folks the power to USURP ANY NATIONS National Sovernity ?

The facts are that : KERRY is a admitted WAR CRIMINAL,
and comitted ATTROCITIES

and Bush is crack smoker and was AWOL from assignment.


Has he admitted to it ?? Kerry DID (see the NEW SOLDIER, authored by
Kerry, Himself!!)

Just what makes either suitable? Because they are not the other?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

But, also, then JUST WHAT GAVE US THE RIGHT TO DECLARE WAR ON ENGLAND,
so as to found our own independance?? Is George Washington, Jefferson,
Adams, Franklin, ect. to be considered criminals, or heros? Is Ho-Chi Minh
a Hero? Castro? Stalin? Guess it depends on just WHO views history, and from what
viewpoint! NN7K
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Richard Clark wrote:

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:15:12 GMT, "NN7KexNOSPAMk7zfg"
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Neither ATTACKED us, nor THREATENED US!



Germany declared war on the United States 11 December 1941. When did
we attack them previous to that date?

Well, the answer to that is that the Destroyers Greer, Kearney and
Reuben James attacked German submarines. THIS is the Nazi explanation
for their declaration.



Not to mention that Lend - Lease could be (argueably) considered an act of
war (certanly, NOT an act of Neutrality)!!


In fact, the USS Kearney, DD-432, was torpedoed by the U-568 on 17
October 1941. Six weeks before, the U-652 attacked the Greer.

Well, I suppose Roosevelt melted under pressure to leave Adolf alone,
but then we had the sinking of the Reuben James 30 October 1941 (63
years and a day ago).

For these affronts to their national dignity, the Nazis had no choice
but defend themselves against us - and, well, one thing led to another
as the saying goes.


To state otherwise
means GREMANY ATTACKED PEARL HARBOR. And, JUST WHAT GIVES THE UN
a free pass?? That institution , run by 3rd world DESPOTS,



Was created by the United States, in San Francisco.


Yeh, and also the League of Nations- But I Repeat: Just WHAT gives
ANY of these folks the power to USURP ANY NATIONS National Sovernity ?

The facts are that : KERRY is a admitted WAR CRIMINAL,
and comitted ATTROCITIES


and Bush is crack smoker and was AWOL from assignment.



Has he admitted to it ?? Kerry DID (see the NEW SOLDIER, authored by
Kerry, Himself!!)

Just what makes either suitable? Because they are not the other?

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC


But, also, then JUST WHAT GAVE US THE RIGHT TO DECLARE WAR ON ENGLAND,
so as to found our own independance?? Is George Washington, Jefferson,
Adams, Franklin, ect. to be considered criminals, or heros? Is Ho-Chi Minh
a Hero? Castro? Stalin? Guess it depends on just WHO views history, and
from what viewpoint! NN7K

My vote goes to such luminaries as Genghis Kahn, Attila the Hun, and
Timur the Lame, all of whom did what George just did. Seriously,
fellows, you can get it out of your system just by voting on Tuesday.
73,
Tom Donaly, KA6RUH

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 03:36:52 GMT, "Tom Donaly"
wrote:

Seriously,
fellows, you can get it out of your system just by voting on Tuesday.

Hi Tom,

DOING better than that. I got myself involved, been working 70 hour
weeks for a month, helped register 2800 voters, and collected about
100 ballots BEFORE November 2nd. And then there is Poll Watching to
be done ON the 2nd.

Come what may - either way - it isn't what is going to happen on the
2nd that counts, it is going to be what happens every day AFTER
Tuesday for very many years.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 01:49:57 GMT, "NN7KexNOSPAMk7zfg"
wrote:
Not to mention that Lend - Lease could be (argueably) considered an act of
war (certanly, NOT an act of Neutrality)!!

Point is, they never mentioned that.

WHAT GIVES THE UN
a free pass?? That institution , run by 3rd world DESPOTS,

Was created by the United States, in San Francisco.

Yeh, and also the League of Nations

In fact the League of Nations was not created by the United States,
and certainly not in San Francisco.

Is George Washington, Jefferson,
Adams, Franklin, ect. to be considered criminals

They were - consult any British source of that era.

Is Ho-Chi Minh Castro? Stalin?

So were they - consult any American source of that era. As you offer,
it is merely the source of the who builds the indictment.

Curious point about this last bunch is that they all read and used the
writings of Washington, Jefferson, Adams, Franklin to achieve their
goals.

Ho Chi Minh modeled himself after Gandhi. Gandhi modeled himself
after Thoreau ("Civil Disobedience"). Do you count Thoreau among the
criminal element? Thoreau willingly embraced such a label. Was
Gandhi a terrorist? Ask the Brits - then ask the Indians - then ask
the Pakistanis - then ask the administration. :-)

3 out of 4 will give you a straight answer and the last will offer
"It's hard work!."

Absolutely none of the radical communists learned their craft from
those bourgeois elitists Marx/Engels, they only peddled their DOA
ideology. ALL of their success came from AMERICAN examples. ALL of
their failure came from communism - plain and simple.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 00:15:12 GMT, "NN7KexNOSPAMk7zfg"
wrote:

And, as WE WERE ATTACKED ON 9/11, we were as justified in retaliating
as in ANY period of time in the history of the Republic--

You were not attacked by Saddam Hussein on 9/11 so why attack him?