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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Yes, Saddam was a first-class jerk and two-
bit tyrant, but was not an immediate threat to
America - he lost 2 wars and was sanctioned
by the UN - his army was left impotent, his
major weapons were destroyed after the gulf
war, his WMD programs were in shambles,

But Sadaam PROMISED us the "mother of all battles". We had to assume he
was
armed to the teeth. If you can't trust a guy like Sadaam to make a threat
meaningful, gee, who can you trust?

Do you honestly believe a de-fanged

Sadaam "de-fanged"? Hell, even his left-overs are still killing us.

two-bit

If I had a penny for every 2-bits Sadaam had, I'd have my executive
assistant insult you.

tyrant is going to admit to the world he's
impotent? But then, true believers will believe
in just about anything that fits their illusions...

Strange, I was just going to suggest you consult a mirror.


GWB is a war criminal - too bad you support
a real war criminal - and that's not spin.

Indeed Chuck, that's not spin. I'd call you an honest, straightforward
propagandist; what we used to simply refer to as a liar.

You mean like the debunked Swiftboat vets for Bush

Your judgement only. Odd, the only time Kerry managed anything, he left with
270-some "employees" ****ed at him; and they still are, 35 years later.

or WMDs that didn't exist,

Sadaam didn't need WMD to invade Kuwait or to threaten Saudi Arabia. He
certainly had some previously, and had no compunction about using them. To
me, WMD are a non-issue; it's not what he didn't have, it's what he did that
matters.

or the
immediate nuclear threat that didn't exist,
al Queda links that never were,

Usually, your types put the administration in the impossible position of
trying to prove a negative, but this statement looks like you accept some
way to do so. I'm impressed!

or how about
compassionate conservatism, or vote for
me or the terrorists will get you...

Propagandist indeed...

Chuck


Lose the thought somewhere in that last rant, Chuckie? Successful big liars
need to keep focused.

Ed
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Yes, Saddam was a first-class jerk and two-
bit tyrant, but was not an immediate threat to
America - he lost 2 wars and was sanctioned
by the UN - his army was left impotent, his
major weapons were destroyed after the gulf
war, his WMD programs were in shambles,
...
GWB is a war criminal - too bad you support
a real war criminal - and that's not spin.

Indeed Chuck, that's not spin. I'd call you an honest, straightforward
propagandist; what we used to simply refer to as a liar.

You mean like the debunked Swiftboat vets for Bush

Your judgement only. Odd, the only time Kerry managed anything, he left
with
270-some "employees" ****ed at him; and they still are, 35 years later.

Perhaps I give greater credibility to the folks
who served with Kerry in this regard, than
the vile rhetoric of folks with an un-American
religious/political agenda. Kerry was not alone
in his distain for that war, but the hawks who
opposed his position then, are still carrying a
grudge now - after all these years - that's both
obsessive and perverted IMO!

When a President has more loyalty to his
mega-corporate cronies and the looney
megalomaniac Pat Robertson, than he has
for the common folk, he does not deserve
to hold the office.

Chuck

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"Ed Price" wrote in message
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Ed Price wrote in message
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Yes, Saddam was a first-class jerk and two-
bit tyrant, but was not an immediate threat to
America - he lost 2 wars and was sanctioned
by the UN - his army was left impotent, his
major weapons were destroyed after the gulf
war, his WMD programs were in shambles,
...
GWB is a war criminal - too bad you support
a real war criminal - and that's not spin.

Indeed Chuck, that's not spin. I'd call you an honest, straightforward
propagandist; what we used to simply refer to as a liar.

You mean like the debunked Swiftboat vets for Bush

Your judgement only. Odd, the only time Kerry managed anything, he left
with
270-some "employees" ****ed at him; and they still are, 35 years later.

Perhaps I give greater credibility to the folks
who served with Kerry in this regard, than
the vile rhetoric of folks with an un-American
religious/political agenda. Kerry was not alone
in his distain for that war, but the hawks who
opposed his position then, are still carrying a
grudge now - after all these years - that's both
obsessive and perverted IMO!

When a President has more loyalty to his
mega-corporate cronies and the looney
megalomaniac Pat Robertson, than he has
for the common folk, he does not deserve
to hold the office.

Chuck



Some things can be forgiven, some can be forgotten. But how can you savage
the opinion of 270-some veterans with a judgement of "obsessive and
perverted"? Of course, their feelings are being used for political influence
(remember Kerry saying he was "reporting and ready for duty"). But you are
way out of line to judge their memories.

I suppose your close really says it all; you say the candidate is loyal to
"mega-corporate cronies" and "loonies". Ahhhh, I'm dealing with the Almighty
Chuck, the mortal who can discern cronies from friends and who can define
the Common Folk. Yep, that answers everything.

Ed
wb6wsn

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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Ed Price wrote in message
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Yes, Saddam was a first-class jerk and two-
bit tyrant, but was not an immediate threat to
America - he lost 2 wars and was sanctioned
by the UN - his army was left impotent, his
major weapons were destroyed after the gulf
war, his WMD programs were in shambles,
...
GWB is a war criminal - too bad you support
a real war criminal - and that's not spin.

Indeed Chuck, that's not spin. I'd call you an honest,
straightforward
propagandist; what we used to simply refer to as a liar.

You mean like the debunked Swiftboat vets for Bush

Your judgement only. Odd, the only time Kerry managed anything, he left
with
270-some "employees" ****ed at him; and they still are, 35 years later.

Perhaps I give greater credibility to the folks
who served with Kerry in this regard, than
the vile rhetoric of folks with an un-American
religious/political agenda. Kerry was not alone
in his distain for that war, but the hawks who
opposed his position then, are still carrying a
grudge now - after all these years - that's both
obsessive and perverted IMO!

When a President has more loyalty to his
mega-corporate cronies and the looney
megalomaniac Pat Robertson, than he has
for the common folk, he does not deserve
to hold the office.

Chuck



Some things can be forgiven, some can be forgotten. But how can you savage
the opinion of 270-some veterans with a judgement of "obsessive and
perverted"? Of course, their feelings are being used for political
influence
(remember Kerry saying he was "reporting and ready for duty"). But you are
way out of line to judge their memories.

---------------------------------------------------------------
Ed,

Out of line? ROTFLMAO!

One cannot give credence to a piddly few
malcontents (270 out of millions) who have
an agenda - mainly that of the Christian
Coaliton. In contrast, the folks who served
with Kerry, have an entirely different story to
tell - a credible one!


I suppose your close really says it all; you say the candidate is loyal to
"mega-corporate cronies" and "loonies". Ahhhh, I'm dealing with the
Almighty
Chuck, the mortal who can discern cronies from friends and who can define
the Common Folk. Yep, that answers everything.

It is common knowledge that the
Republican party is traditionally aligned
to the rich and powerful, which includes
mega-corporate interests - "no bid"
Halliburton included - only a fool would
refute this.

As far as loonies, I've named only one:
the one who's agenda is to "replace the
constitution with the 10 commandments"
and to "Disenfranchize all liberals".

Rather than offer a credible retort, you
attempt to demean my position.
Intellectual honesty isn't one of your
strong points, I see.

Chuck

Ed
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Ed Price wrote in message
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"Chuck" wrote in message
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Yes, Saddam was a first-class jerk and two-
bit tyrant, but was not an immediate threat to
America - he lost 2 wars and was sanctioned
by the UN - his army was left impotent, his
major weapons were destroyed after the gulf
war, his WMD programs were in shambles,
...
GWB is a war criminal - too bad you support
a real war criminal - and that's not spin.

Indeed Chuck, that's not spin. I'd call you an honest,
straightforward
propagandist; what we used to simply refer to as a liar.

You mean like the debunked Swiftboat vets for Bush

Your judgement only. Odd, the only time Kerry managed anything, he
left
with
270-some "employees" ****ed at him; and they still are, 35 years
later.

Perhaps I give greater credibility to the folks
who served with Kerry in this regard, than
the vile rhetoric of folks with an un-American
religious/political agenda. Kerry was not alone
in his distain for that war, but the hawks who
opposed his position then, are still carrying a
grudge now - after all these years - that's both
obsessive and perverted IMO!

When a President has more loyalty to his
mega-corporate cronies and the looney
megalomaniac Pat Robertson, than he has
for the common folk, he does not deserve
to hold the office.

Chuck



Some things can be forgiven, some can be forgotten. But how can you
savage
the opinion of 270-some veterans with a judgement of "obsessive and
perverted"? Of course, their feelings are being used for political
influence
(remember Kerry saying he was "reporting and ready for duty"). But you
are
way out of line to judge their memories.

---------------------------------------------------------------
Ed,

Out of line? ROTFLMAO!

One cannot give credence to a piddly few
malcontents (270 out of millions) who have
an agenda - mainly that of the Christian
Coaliton. In contrast, the folks who served
with Kerry, have an entirely different story to
tell - a credible one!


I suppose your close really says it all; you say the candidate is loyal
to
"mega-corporate cronies" and "loonies". Ahhhh, I'm dealing with the
Almighty
Chuck, the mortal who can discern cronies from friends and who can define
the Common Folk. Yep, that answers everything.

It is common knowledge that the
Republican party is traditionally aligned
to the rich and powerful, which includes
mega-corporate interests - "no bid"
Halliburton included - only a fool would
refute this.

As far as loonies, I've named only one:
the one who's agenda is to "replace the
constitution with the 10 commandments"
and to "Disenfranchize all liberals".

Rather than offer a credible retort, you
attempt to demean my position.
Intellectual honesty isn't one of your
strong points, I see.

Chuck

On the contrary, intellectual honesty is something you couldn't recognize if
it were stuffed up your nose, sideways.

Ed

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"chuck" wrote in message
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Rather than offer a credible retort, you
attempt to demean my position.
Intellectual honesty isn't one of your
strong points, I see.

Chuck

On the contrary, intellectual honesty is something you couldn't recognize if
it were stuffed up your nose, sideways.

Ed

A response which only serves to confirm...

On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 23:23:57 -0800, "Ed Price"
wrote:
Usually, your types put the administration in the impossible position of
trying to prove a negative
Consistent in that they couldn't prove a positive either.
As Philip Gold offered: "Screw Up, Move On."