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Reg Edwards December 2nd 04 09:47 PM

You have been warned !
 

Variometers are variable inductance coils.
There are two solenoids, one rotating inside the other.
Maximum inductance occurs when the two coils are in phase.
Minimum inductance when in antiphase.
Advantage - no switches.

DO NOT USE IN TRANSMITTER HIGH POWER CIRCUITS !

The whole length of wire is in circuit at all settings of the variometer.

Consequently as the inductance decreases the wire resistance remains
constant.

So coil Q falls to very low values at small inductance values. i.e., at the
high frequency end of the tuning range - where higher losses and an
increase in temperature are already at their worst.

If the two coils are of similar sizes then Q can fall to near zero at low
inductance settings.

Some variometers have the inside coil much smaller than the other. The
inductance range is relatively small. The reduction in Q may be acceptable
for low power applications and receiving purposes.

But the motion of the two coils, one inside the other, built into a working
transmitter would fascinate visitors to the shack. An attraction quite
capabable of overcoming the disadvantage of a ridiculous low Q at 30 MHz.
It's even better than watching one set of 500pF capacitor plates slowly
disappearing inside the other.
----
Reg.



Roy Lewallen December 2nd 04 10:04 PM

Reg Edwards wrote:
. . .
But the motion of the two coils, one inside the other, built into a working
transmitter would fascinate visitors to the shack. An attraction quite
capabable of overcoming the disadvantage of a ridiculous low Q at 30 MHz.
It's even better than watching one set of 500pF capacitor plates slowly
disappearing inside the other.
----


Here in the U.S., where conspicuous excess is widely considered a virtue
(big guns, big trucks, big bellies, big antennas, big power. . .), you'd
surely have to include a fluorescent tube suspended in the middle. It's
especially important now that 866A's have become passe.

(I have fond memories from my childhood of a neighbor ham, ...BFB --
'Barrel Full of Beer', who ran a kW -- at least -- of AM into a lazy H
antenna which had a 4 foot fluorescent tube at each of the 4 wire ends.
It impressed me as being really cool -- but then I was 11 at the time.)

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


Brian Kelly December 3rd 04 12:45 PM

Roy Lewallen wrote in message ...
Reg Edwards wrote:
. . .
But the motion of the two coils, one inside the other, built into a working
transmitter would fascinate visitors to the shack. An attraction quite
capabable of overcoming the disadvantage of a ridiculous low Q at 30 MHz.
It's even better than watching one set of 500pF capacitor plates slowly
disappearing inside the other.
----


Here in the U.S., where conspicuous excess is widely considered a virtue
(big guns, big trucks, big bellies, big antennas, big power. . .), you'd
surely have to include a fluorescent tube suspended in the middle. It's
especially important now that 866A's have become passe.

(I have fond memories from my childhood of a neighbor ham, ...BFB --
'Barrel Full of Beer', who ran a kW -- at least -- of AM into a lazy H
antenna which had a 4 foot fluorescent tube at each of the 4 wire ends.
It impressed me as being really cool -- but then I was 11 at the time.)


If it wasn't for the fluorescent tube I taped to the wire going out
the back window of my bedroom to a neighbor's tree yonder I never
would have found the hot spot tap on my 80M ARC-5 tank coil. 1953 age
16? Precocious I was not and I still ain't. I forget. But then I
discovered that tuning up by maxing the output of Mrs. Chandler's, the
next door neighbor the pore thing, bathroom lamp was a more better
route to go than the fluorescent tube when it got down to flooding the
neighborhood with RF then tuning around with the S-40B for a contact.

We're ALL nuts.


Roy Lewallen, W7EL


w3rv

H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H December 4th 04 03:12 PM


"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
Roy Lewallen wrote in message
...
Reg Edwards wrote:
. . .
But the motion of the two coils, one inside the other, built into a
working
transmitter would fascinate visitors to the shack. An attraction quite
capabable of overcoming the disadvantage of a ridiculous low Q at 30
MHz.
It's even better than watching one set of 500pF capacitor plates slowly
disappearing inside the other.
----


Here in the U.S., where conspicuous excess is widely considered a virtue
(big guns, big trucks, big bellies, big antennas, big power. . .), you'd
surely have to include a fluorescent tube suspended in the middle. It's
especially important now that 866A's have become passe.

(I have fond memories from my childhood of a neighbor ham, ...BFB --
'Barrel Full of Beer', who ran a kW -- at least -- of AM into a lazy H
antenna which had a 4 foot fluorescent tube at each of the 4 wire ends.
It impressed me as being really cool -- but then I was 11 at the time.)


If it wasn't for the fluorescent tube I taped to the wire going out
the back window of my bedroom to a neighbor's tree yonder I never
would have found the hot spot tap on my 80M ARC-5 tank coil. 1953 age
16? Precocious I was not and I still ain't. I forget. But then I
discovered that tuning up by maxing the output of Mrs. Chandler's, the
next door neighbor the pore thing, bathroom lamp was a more better
route to go than the fluorescent tube when it got down to flooding the
neighborhood with RF then tuning around with the S-40B for a contact.

We're ALL nuts.


Roy Lewallen, W7EL


w3rv


Put a fluorescent lamp on your mobile antenna.
What fun!
And yes, we must all be nuts.
;^)
73, H.



Irv Finkleman December 4th 04 04:23 PM

"H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H" wrote:

"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
Roy Lewallen wrote in message
...
Reg Edwards wrote:
. . .
But the motion of the two coils, one inside the other, built into a
working
transmitter would fascinate visitors to the shack. An attraction quite
capabable of overcoming the disadvantage of a ridiculous low Q at 30
MHz.
It's even better than watching one set of 500pF capacitor plates slowly
disappearing inside the other.
----

Here in the U.S., where conspicuous excess is widely considered a virtue
(big guns, big trucks, big bellies, big antennas, big power. . .), you'd
surely have to include a fluorescent tube suspended in the middle. It's
especially important now that 866A's have become passe.

(I have fond memories from my childhood of a neighbor ham, ...BFB --
'Barrel Full of Beer', who ran a kW -- at least -- of AM into a lazy H
antenna which had a 4 foot fluorescent tube at each of the 4 wire ends.
It impressed me as being really cool -- but then I was 11 at the time.)


If it wasn't for the fluorescent tube I taped to the wire going out
the back window of my bedroom to a neighbor's tree yonder I never
would have found the hot spot tap on my 80M ARC-5 tank coil. 1953 age
16? Precocious I was not and I still ain't. I forget. But then I
discovered that tuning up by maxing the output of Mrs. Chandler's, the
next door neighbor the pore thing, bathroom lamp was a more better
route to go than the fluorescent tube when it got down to flooding the
neighborhood with RF then tuning around with the S-40B for a contact.

We're ALL nuts.


Roy Lewallen, W7EL


w3rv


Put a fluorescent lamp on your mobile antenna.
What fun!
And yes, we must all be nuts.
;^)
73, H.


It's from too much exposure to RF!

Irv VE6BP
--
--------------------------------------
Diagnosed Type II Diabetes March 5 2001
Beating it with diet and exercise!
297/215/210 (to be revised lower)
58"/43"(!)/44" (already lower too!)
--------------------------------------
Visit my HomePage at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv/index.html
Visit my Baby Sofia website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv4/index.htm
Visit my OLDTIMERS website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv5/index.htm
--------------------
Irv Finkleman,
Grampa/Ex-Navy/Old Fart/Ham Radio VE6BP
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H December 4th 04 04:41 PM


"Irv Finkleman" wrote in message
...
"H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H" wrote:

"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...
Roy Lewallen wrote in message
...
Reg Edwards wrote:
. . .
But the motion of the two coils, one inside the other, built into a
working
transmitter would fascinate visitors to the shack. An attraction
quite
capabable of overcoming the disadvantage of a ridiculous low Q at 30
MHz.
It's even better than watching one set of 500pF capacitor plates
slowly
disappearing inside the other.
----

Here in the U.S., where conspicuous excess is widely considered a
virtue
(big guns, big trucks, big bellies, big antennas, big power. . .),
you'd
surely have to include a fluorescent tube suspended in the middle.
It's
especially important now that 866A's have become passe.

(I have fond memories from my childhood of a neighbor ham, ...BFB --
'Barrel Full of Beer', who ran a kW -- at least -- of AM into a lazy H
antenna which had a 4 foot fluorescent tube at each of the 4 wire
ends.
It impressed me as being really cool -- but then I was 11 at the
time.)

If it wasn't for the fluorescent tube I taped to the wire going out
the back window of my bedroom to a neighbor's tree yonder I never
would have found the hot spot tap on my 80M ARC-5 tank coil. 1953 age
16? Precocious I was not and I still ain't. I forget. But then I
discovered that tuning up by maxing the output of Mrs. Chandler's, the
next door neighbor the pore thing, bathroom lamp was a more better
route to go than the fluorescent tube when it got down to flooding the
neighborhood with RF then tuning around with the S-40B for a contact.

We're ALL nuts.


Roy Lewallen, W7EL

w3rv


Put a fluorescent lamp on your mobile antenna.
What fun!
And yes, we must all be nuts.
;^)
73, H.


It's from too much exposure to RF!

Irv VE6BP
--
--------------------------------------
Diagnosed Type II Diabetes March 5 2001
Beating it with diet and exercise!
297/215/210 (to be revised lower)
58"/43"(!)/44" (already lower too!)
--------------------------------------
Visit my HomePage at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv/index.html
Visit my Baby Sofia website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv4/index.htm
Visit my OLDTIMERS website at http://members.shaw.ca/finkirv5/index.htm
--------------------
Irv Finkleman,
Grampa/Ex-Navy/Old Fart/Ham Radio VE6BP
Calgary, Alberta, Canada

Irv
That's like saying you can get too much sex.
73, H.



David G. Nagel December 4th 04 06:04 PM

H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote:

"Brian Kelly" wrote in message
om...

Roy Lewallen wrote in message
...

Reg Edwards wrote:

. . .
But the motion of the two coils, one inside the other, built into a
working
transmitter would fascinate visitors to the shack. An attraction quite
capabable of overcoming the disadvantage of a ridiculous low Q at 30
MHz.
It's even better than watching one set of 500pF capacitor plates slowly
disappearing inside the other.
----

Here in the U.S., where conspicuous excess is widely considered a virtue
(big guns, big trucks, big bellies, big antennas, big power. . .), you'd
surely have to include a fluorescent tube suspended in the middle. It's
especially important now that 866A's have become passe.

(I have fond memories from my childhood of a neighbor ham, ...BFB --
'Barrel Full of Beer', who ran a kW -- at least -- of AM into a lazy H
antenna which had a 4 foot fluorescent tube at each of the 4 wire ends.
It impressed me as being really cool -- but then I was 11 at the time.)


If it wasn't for the fluorescent tube I taped to the wire going out
the back window of my bedroom to a neighbor's tree yonder I never
would have found the hot spot tap on my 80M ARC-5 tank coil. 1953 age
16? Precocious I was not and I still ain't. I forget. But then I
discovered that tuning up by maxing the output of Mrs. Chandler's, the
next door neighbor the pore thing, bathroom lamp was a more better
route to go than the fluorescent tube when it got down to flooding the
neighborhood with RF then tuning around with the S-40B for a contact.

We're ALL nuts.


Roy Lewallen, W7EL


w3rv



Put a fluorescent lamp on your mobile antenna.
What fun!
And yes, we must all be nuts.
;^)
73, H.


Or a neon lamp. Don't forget that the energy needed to illuminate your
lamp is taken from the energy budgeted to transmission of
intelligence(?).

Dave Nagel WD8BDZ

'Doc December 4th 04 09:13 PM

"...energy budgeted to transmission of
intelligence(?)"

.... ... We're kinda 'pushing' it there, aren't we??
'Doc

David G. Nagel December 4th 04 10:59 PM

'Doc wrote:

"...energy budgeted to transmission of
intelligence(?)"

... ... We're kinda 'pushing' it there, aren't we??
'Doc

Well yes if you must know.....

Dave


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