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I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.

Jer

wrote:
I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.

Skinny insulators can be made from plastic coat hangers which come in
any number of different colors.
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I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.


Instead of using special insulators just use some monofiliment fishing line
for the ends. You could even cut up a plastic ink pen if you need an
insulator.

Skinny insulators can be made from plastic coat hangers which come in
any number of different colors. ..


Dang...I had a post printed out saying the same thing, but
I noticed you beat me to it...:/ Good thing I checked...
Those work well, but the UV will kill them after maybe...
2-3-4 years...But for the price, replacements are not a
problem. The fishing line will work also...For normal use,
I've been whacking old broom sticks, or PVC into small bits
for insulators...I drill the holes at right angles, cuz most
seem to do that... MK

"Ralph Mowery" wrote in message
nk.net...

wrote in message
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I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.


Instead of using special insulators just use some monofiliment fishing
line
for the ends. You could even cut up a plastic ink pen if you need an
insulator.


I have also heard of people using buttons.

Tam/WB2TT

lots of good ideas so far - I liked buttons-
- add another -
black cable ties.
or
saw off a half-inch piece of half-inch PVC pipe. - the grey electrical
stuff-
or
just use a piece of black nylon fishing leader
-
hundreds more - stay tuned

If you use insulated wire, you could even use push pins for supports and
run it along a fence.

Mike


wrote:
I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.

Jer

I'd like to caution you against using plastic that's not intended for
outdoor use. Most types will deteriorate rapidly from the UV in
sunlight, and turn brittle and very weak in a short time. Even here in
western Oregon, most plastics become useless in a year or two, and in a
place like Denver (5000 feet high and lots of sun) you only get a few
months at most.

A better idea, in my opinion, would be to use fishing line as others
suggested, or make your own from a piece of ABS pipe or something similar.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:

I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.


Skinny insulators can be made from plastic coat hangers which come in
any number of different colors.

Hal Rosser wrote:
or just use a piece of black nylon fishing leader

Also, the black UV resistant tie wraps should make
pretty good insulators.
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Monofilament fishing line breaks down very fast in the sun, you might
get a year out of it at best. If you’re going to attach a Dacron, Nylon,
etc line to extend your wire, why do you need an insulator anyway?
Mike


Ralph Mowery wrote:
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I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.



Instead of using special insulators just use some monofiliment fishing line
for the ends. You could even cut up a plastic ink pen if you need an
insulator.

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 22:34:54 -0600, Cecil Moore
wrote:

Hal Rosser wrote:
or just use a piece of black nylon fishing leader

Also, the black UV resistant tie wraps should make
pretty good insulators.

How about using a wood dowel? Cut a suitable length, drill holes and
apply a few coats of varnish. Might work fine, though not as creative
as the poster who suggested buttons.
Howard

"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
I'd like to caution you against using plastic that's not intended for
outdoor use. Most types will deteriorate rapidly from the UV in sunlight,
and turn brittle and very weak in a short time. Even here in western
Oregon, most plastics become useless in a year or two, & in a place like
Denver (5000 feet high and lots of sun) you only get a few months at
most.

A better idea, in my opinion, would be to use fishing line as others
suggested, or make your own from a piece of ABS pipe or something
similar.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Cecil Moore wrote:
wrote:

I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.


Skinny insulators can be made from plastic coat hangers which come in
any number of different colors.

Roy et al.,

The polystyrene that plastic coat hangers are normally made from has a
moderately good ultraviolet resistance - much better than nylon
monofilament line.

But for a cheap, extremely effective, insulator which has excellent
ultraviolet resistance, cut the top off a PET soft-drink bottle (where the
screw threads are found). The dielectric properties are excellent and few
plastics fare better to ultraviolet and acid rain exposure than does
polyethylene terephthalate.

I have had a number of insulators up for years that were made from
fiberglass loaded PET tensile test bars. The only problem was dulling of
drill bits from the glass. A carbide tipped drill solved that problem.

73, Barry WA4VZQ

On Fri, 11 Feb 2005 15:55:45 +0000, melbjer wrote:


I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.

Jer

Try farm equipment suppliers..... You should be able to get suitable
items intended to be used as electric fence insulators.

Pip

Pippa Reeves wrote:
Try farm equipment suppliers..... You should be able to get suitable
items intended to be used as electric fence insulators.

Most of those are ceramic and large but they make
excellent RF insulators.
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A plastic cable tie, looped, is virtually invisible to
meet with the OP's requirements.

"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
...
Pippa Reeves wrote:
Try farm equipment suppliers..... You should be able to get suitable
items intended to be used as electric fence insulators.
Most of those are ceramic and large but they make
excellent RF insulators.

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I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.

Jer

Jer,

No insulator is required. Either kevlar or cotton line (even when wet) have
about the same resistance as a wet or dry insulator, which is next to
nothing. Insulators or the lack thereof do not affect transmitting (1kw)
and they most certainly do not affect receiving. About the only thing the
special antenna-to-rope/line insulators do provide, is a form or strain
relief due to the wide-radius of turn around the insulator. This means when
the line holding the antenna breaks, it will probably break at your rope
knot, not at the soft-curve around the insulator. Big deal, huh. To conceal
a wire antenna, don't bother with insulators of any kind.

73,

Jack

In message 0krRd.48028$EG1.24274@lakeread04, Jack Painter
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I'm putting up a long wire antenna for a SW receiver. The area I live
in has severe restrictions, so I need to hide it, or at least have it
not be obvious. For the end insulators I was looking for small, about
1" long skinny plastic or ceramic insulators. I know they used to be
available, but I can't find them anywhere. Can anyone point to a
source for them? All I can find are 3" insulators with a 1" diameter.
These are much too obvious for me to use. Thanks.

Jer

Jer,

No insulator is required. Either kevlar or cotton line (even when wet) have
about the same resistance as a wet or dry insulator, which is next to
nothing. Insulators or the lack thereof do not affect transmitting (1kw)
and they most certainly do not affect receiving. About the only thing the
special antenna-to-rope/line insulators do provide, is a form or strain
relief due to the wide-radius of turn around the insulator. This means when
the line holding the antenna breaks, it will probably break at your rope
knot, not at the soft-curve around the insulator. Big deal, huh. To conceal
a wire antenna, don't bother with insulators of any kind.

Or use a large plastic button.

Mike
..J.Powell

or a biro case drilled through at each end

Nick

In message , nick smith
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or a biro case drilled through at each end

A button has the holes already drilled!

Mike
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M.J.Powell