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The HIGHER the BETTER
Raised my M2 Horizontal Loop antenna from 20ft above ground to 45ft above
ground and picked up a full S-unit (s7 to s8) at a receiving station 70 miles away. Mode was SSB and frequency was 144.200 mhz. Also my receiving ability was enhanced dramatically.... The HIGHER the BETTER !!!! Photos and tech info on the M2 HO Loop antenna at the site listed below.... -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com |
"Charlie" wrote in message ...
The HIGHER the BETTER !!!! That's always been the rule on VHF/UHF. 73 de Glenn AA5PK |
"Glenn" wrote in message news:luTPd.8673$Ps.7054@okepread06... "Charlie" wrote in message ... The HIGHER the BETTER !!!! That's always been the rule on VHF/UHF. 73 de Glenn AA5PK UNLESS you're working through repeaters and live in the valleys of a mountainous area. Then you're working bounces and if you get too high (high off the ground, but not as high as the hilltops around you), you can get up out of the signal. |
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:17:15 -0500, "David 01"
wrote: UNLESS you're working through repeaters and live in the valleys of a mountainous area. Then you're working bounces and if you get too high (high off the ground, but not as high as the hilltops around you), you can get up out of the signal. One can also have a problem with height if the get so high as to key multiple repeaters on a common frequency. While this is more commonly a problem with aeronautical mobile stations, it also happens around here for stations on hills between several repeaters or whose beams line up with more than one repeater. Buck Buck -- For what it's worth. |
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:47:52 -0500, Buck wrote:
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:17:15 -0500, "David 01" wrote: UNLESS you're working through repeaters and live in the valleys of a mountainous area. Then you're working bounces and if you get too high (high off the ground, but not as high as the hilltops around you), you can get up out of the signal. One can also have a problem with height if the get so high as to key multiple repeaters on a common frequency. While this is more commonly a problem with aeronautical mobile stations, it also happens around here for stations on hills between several repeaters or whose beams line up with more than one repeater. I have run into this when hiking, and operating from various summits. I keyed up a repeater in Boston from the summit of Mt. Monadnock (southern NH) and also got a repeater on the same frequency in CT. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
"Gary S." Idontwantspam@net wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 11:47:52 -0500, Buck wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:17:15 -0500, "David 01" wrote: UNLESS you're working through repeaters and live in the valleys of a mountainous area. Then you're working bounces and if you get too high (high off the ground, but not as high as the hilltops around you), you can get up out of the signal. One can also have a problem with height if the get so high as to key multiple repeaters on a common frequency. While this is more commonly a problem with aeronautical mobile stations, it also happens around here for stations on hills between several repeaters or whose beams line up with more than one repeater. I have run into this when hiking, and operating from various summits. I keyed up a repeater in Boston from the summit of Mt. Monadnock (southern NH) and also got a repeater on the same frequency in CT. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom Yeah, I experienced that too in 1991 on top of Mt Mitchell, NC, 6685 ft. back when few repeaters used tone squelch. 5 watts and I made several people angry in the southern states. |
On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 18:42:34 -0500, "David 01"
wrote: "Gary S." Idontwantspam@net wrote in message .. . I have run into this when hiking, and operating from various summits. I keyed up a repeater in Boston from the summit of Mt. Monadnock (southern NH) and also got a repeater on the same frequency in CT. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) Yeah, I experienced that too in 1991 on top of Mt Mitchell, NC, 6685 ft. back when few repeaters used tone squelch. 5 watts and I made several people angry in the southern states. No one really angry, but a few people in Boston were confused when they only heard my side of the conversation with the ham in CT, although there was no other traffic on the Boston repeater. Only the Boston repeater has tone, the other one doesn't. I have also seen some areas deal with tone added for intermod control by having all of the repeaters in the area (coastal Maine for example) use the same CTSCC tone. This simplified things for hams with older equipment. Happy trails, Gary (net.yogi.bear) ------------------------------------------------ at the 51st percentile of ursine intelligence Gary D. Schwartz, Needham, MA, USA Please reply to: garyDOTschwartzATpoboxDOTcom |
"David 01" wrote in message ...
"Glenn" wrote in message news:luTPd.8673$Ps.7054@okepread06... "Charlie" wrote in message ... The HIGHER the BETTER !!!! That's always been the rule on VHF/UHF. 73 de Glenn AA5PK UNLESS you're working through repeaters and live in the valleys of a mountainous area. Then you're working bounces and if you get too high (high off the ground, but not as high as the hilltops around you), you can get up out of the signal. He did say he was operating SSB. |
"Glenn" wrote in message news:NNcQd.8786$Ps.3659@okepread06... "David 01" wrote in message ... "Glenn" wrote in message news:luTPd.8673$Ps.7054@okepread06... "Charlie" wrote in message ... The HIGHER the BETTER !!!! That's always been the rule on VHF/UHF. 73 de Glenn AA5PK UNLESS you're working through repeaters and live in the valleys of a mountainous area. Then you're working bounces and if you get too high (high off the ground, but not as high as the hilltops around you), you can get up out of the signal. He did say he was operating SSB. Yes he did and you just made a broad statement concerning VHF/UHF. That was the statement I commented about. |
"Glenn" wrote:
: "Charlie" wrote in message ... : The HIGHER the BETTER !!!! : : That's always been the rule on VHF/UHF. yes..but its a bummer when the FAA/NASA call around :-) |
"Buck" wrote in message ... On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:17:15 -0500, "David 01" wrote: UNLESS you're working through repeaters and live in the valleys of a mountainous area. Then you're working bounces and if you get too high (high off the ground, but not as high as the hilltops around you), you can get up out of the signal. One can also have a problem with height if the get so high as to key multiple repeaters on a common frequency. While this is more commonly a problem with aeronautical mobile stations, it also happens around here for stations on hills between several repeaters or whose beams line up with more than one repeater. Buck Buck -- For what it's worth. The discussion was a M2 HORIZONTAL loop. Not normally used with a vertically polarized repeater. Try sticking to the subject. Dan/W4NTI |
"Charlie" wrote in message ... Raised my M2 Horizontal Loop antenna from 20ft above ground to 45ft above ground and picked up a full S-unit (s7 to s8) at a receiving station 70 miles away. Mode was SSB and frequency was 144.200 mhz. Also my receiving ability was enhanced dramatically.... The HIGHER the BETTER !!!! Photos and tech info on the M2 HO Loop antenna at the site listed below.... -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Unless the feedline loss equals the gain of the added height. Dan/W4NTI |
On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:48:27 GMT, "Dan"
wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:17:15 -0500, "David 01" wrote: UNLESS you're working through repeaters and live in the valleys of a mountainous area. Then you're working bounces and if you get too high (high off the ground, but not as high as the hilltops around you), you can get up out of the signal. The discussion was a M2 HORIZONTAL loop. Not normally used with a vertically polarized repeater. Try sticking to the subject. Dan/W4NTI I didn't start the repeater discussion, I followed it. Thanks tho. Buck Buck -- For what it's worth. |
The subject on every message I saw SAID "The HIGHER the BETTER"!!!
"Buck" wrote in message ... On Wed, 16 Feb 2005 22:48:27 GMT, "Dan" wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2005 02:17:15 -0500, "David 01" wrote: UNLESS you're working through repeaters and live in the valleys of a mountainous area. Then you're working bounces and if you get too high (high off the ground, but not as high as the hilltops around you), you can get up out of the signal. The discussion was a M2 HORIZONTAL loop. Not normally used with a vertically polarized repeater. Try sticking to the subject. Dan/W4NTI I didn't start the repeater discussion, I followed it. Thanks tho. Buck Buck -- For what it's worth. |
Hi Dan and you make a valid point about feedline loss. I am feeding M2 HO
LOOP with 65 ft of 9914F low loss coax which incidentally enough is a "direct bury" coax. I use a 35 ft run of 9914F for my Ringo Ranger II. I have a 50 ft run of the same 9914F direct buried feeding my Hustler 5-BTV vertical. At HF frequencies especially with 9914F there is virtually no loss at 50ft. Link for 9914F coax, jumpers and assemblies and coax loss tables. The 9914F is within .1 db of 9913 loss figures but is more flexible and can be buried directly into mother earth.... 1. http://www.radio-ware.com TY for making a good observation but in my case your "preaching to the choir". Hi Hi -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Live Blues Music www.492acousticblues.com "Dan" wrote in message nk.net... "Charlie" wrote in message ... Raised my M2 Horizontal Loop antenna from 20ft above ground to 45ft above ground and picked up a full S-unit (s7 to s8) at a receiving station 70 miles away. Mode was SSB and frequency was 144.200 mhz. Also my receiving ability was enhanced dramatically.... The HIGHER the BETTER !!!! Photos and tech info on the M2 HO Loop antenna at the site listed below.... -- Charlie Ham Radio - AD5TH www.ad5th.com Unless the feedline loss equals the gain of the added height. Dan/W4NTI |
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 08:18:40 -0500, "David 01"
wrote: The subject on every message I saw SAID "The HIGHER the BETTER"!!! Like so many usenet threads, this one has a fork. No big deal, at least to me. It just happens. Buck -- For what it's worth. |
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