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Many thanks to all who commented on my initial "antenna philosophy" article.

Looks as though the time is coming when my antenna no longer will be
philosophical but will be REAL. After some tribulations, we signed a
contract to purchase a lot on the Mississippi Gulf Coast (where we are now
living in an apartment). We are now wrestling with a floor plan and should
break ground in mid-April.

The lot is covered with 70-foot-plus pine trees, all of which will be
cleared -- you don't want them anywhere near the house because they tend to
fall over in hurricanes. However, along the back edge of the lot are three
slender oak trees -- 40 to 50 feet tall -- and before I could say anything,
my XYL announced that we had to keep the oak trees so I could hang
antennas!!!

The two most distant oak trees are 85 feet apart so now I'll need to sort
out a multi-band dipole with 85 feet of horizontal -- guess I could use 135
feet and hang 25 feet vertically or sloping off each end.

Stay tuned.

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Joe S.

"Joe S." wrote in message
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Many thanks to all who commented on my initial "antenna philosophy"
article.

slender oak trees -- 40 to 50 feet tall -- and before I could say
anything,
my XYL announced that we had to keep the oak trees so I could hang
antennas!!!


Hey Joe, your wife is a KEEPER! Grin

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:16:44 -0600, "Joe S."
wrote:

[snip]

The lot is covered with 70-foot-plus pine trees, all of which will be
cleared -- you don't want them anywhere near the house because they tend to
fall over in hurricanes.

So how many years of *not* having blown down in hurricanes does it
take to grow a 70' pine tree?

I'm likely way off base here and just don't understand Mississippi but
I'm reminded of some of my neighbors who buy an acre or two of the
most beautiful desert on the planet and blade it to bare ground
because they don't like cactus. Or those who move here from somewhere
else and complain that it's too hot, it doesn't rain enough, it's too
brown, there aren't enough trees, traffic is awful, schools are
overcrowded and there are no good paying jobs.

Sorry if I offend, I just can't help myself.

"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:16:44 -0600, "Joe S."
wrote:

[snip]

I'm likely way off base here and just don't understand Mississippi but
I'm reminded of some of my neighbors who buy an acre or two of the
most beautiful desert on the planet and blade it to bare ground
because they don't like cactus. Or those who move here from somewhere
else and complain that it's too hot, it doesn't rain enough, it's too
brown, there aren't enough trees, traffic is awful, schools are
overcrowded and there are no good paying jobs.

Sorry if I offend, I just can't help myself.


You are speaking truth. I've read about the thousands of easterners and
Worst Coasters who moved to the Arizona desert for their health, insisted on
planting the same trees and plants that created their allergies back "home"
and ruined the air in their new home too.

HWB

Pine trees grow like weeds here. A 70-foot pine tree is likely 20 or so
years old. And, the problem is not just the hurricanes, it's the
near-hurricanes. Every one of these trees has limbs that were ripped off
and several of them have tops that were blown out over the past 20 years or
so. Most of these are tall and straight enough to produce lumber so the guy
who is clearing the lot is not charging anything as he will sell the logs,
which will more than cover his cost to clear.

We are leaving the low trees and shrubs -- live oaks, bay, coast myrtle,
etc.

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Joe S.



"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:16:44 -0600, "Joe S."
wrote:

[snip]

The lot is covered with 70-foot-plus pine trees, all of which will be
cleared -- you don't want them anywhere near the house because they tend
to
fall over in hurricanes.

So how many years of *not* having blown down in hurricanes does it
take to grow a 70' pine tree?

I'm likely way off base here and just don't understand Mississippi but
I'm reminded of some of my neighbors who buy an acre or two of the
most beautiful desert on the planet and blade it to bare ground
because they don't like cactus. Or those who move here from somewhere
else and complain that it's too hot, it doesn't rain enough, it's too
brown, there aren't enough trees, traffic is awful, schools are
overcrowded and there are no good paying jobs.

Sorry if I offend, I just can't help myself.

On Sat, 05 Mar 2005 18:48:19 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote:

So how many years of *not* having blown down in hurricanes does it
take to grow a 70' pine tree?

The older they get the easier they fall. We got some 100+ foot white
fir trees here that come down at only 40-50 MPH winds. Douglas firs
and redwoods normally take a little more wind. Believe me when one of
the babies (weighing several tons) come down right next to you house
you'll think quite differently. That's why I cleared them out from
around my house.

Danny, K6MHE

"Joe S." wrote in message
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Pine trees grow like weeds here. A 70-foot pine tree is likely 20 or so
years old. And, the problem is not just the hurricanes, it's the
near-hurricanes. Every one of these trees has limbs that were ripped off
and several of them have tops that were blown out over the past 20 years
or
so. Most of these are tall and straight enough to produce lumber so the
guy
who is clearing the lot is not charging anything as he will sell the logs,
which will more than cover his cost to clear.

We are leaving the low trees and shrubs -- live oaks, bay, coast myrtle,
etc.


While clearing the pines I hope you are clearing out all the trees near your
house. One of the home repair shows stated that if you have a bunch of
trees around and remove most of them the ones that are left will blow over
easy. Seems they are depending on each other to help shield the wind. If a
tree is out by its self then it puts down more of a root system and will not
blow over as easy.

"Ralph Mowery" wrote
"Joe S." wrote

Pine trees grow like weeds here.
A 70-foot pine tree is likely 20 or so years old.
snip
Most of these are tall and straight enough to produce
lumber so the guy who is clearing the lot is not
charging anything as he will sell the logs,
which will more than cover his cost to clear.


snip

My father had ten acres of that kind of "Weeds" cut a while back.
The sale of the logs was enough to retire on for life! Nice of
the guy to not charge you for making him a small fortune!

Logs that size bring from $1,000 to $3,000 each!

"Clarence_A" wrote in message
om...

My father had ten acres of that kind of "Weeds" cut a while back.
The sale of the logs was enough to retire on for life! Nice of
the guy to not charge you for making him a small fortune!

Logs that size bring from $1,000 to $3,000 each!

Yes I totally agree, before you sign ANYTHING with this guy, get
a logger in there and make some money off this.

WB7FFI

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:05:38 -0600, Harold Burton wrote:
"Wes Stewart" wrote:
On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 18:16:44 -0600, "Joe S." wrote:
[snip]

I'm likely way off base here and just don't understand Mississippi but
I'm reminded of some of my neighbors who buy an acre or two of the
most beautiful desert on the planet and blade it to bare ground
because they don't like cactus. Or those who move here from somewhere
else and complain that it's too hot, it doesn't rain enough, it's too
brown, there aren't enough trees, traffic is awful, schools are
overcrowded and there are no good paying jobs.

Sorry if I offend, I just can't help myself.

You are speaking truth. I've read about the thousands of easterners and
Worst Coasters who moved to the Arizona desert for their health, insisted on
planting the same trees and plants that created their allergies back "home"
and ruined the air in their new home too.

The definition of a developer is someone that cuts down all
the trees and names all the new streets after them.

Jonesy
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| Gunnison, Colorado | @ | Jonesy | OS/2 __
| 7,703' -- 2,345m | config.com | DM68mn SK

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:16:09 -0600, "Joe S."
wrote:

Pine trees grow like weeds here. A 70-foot pine tree is likely 20 or so
years old. And, the problem is not just the hurricanes, it's the
near-hurricanes. Every one of these trees has limbs that were ripped off
and several of them have tops that were blown out over the past 20 years or
so. Most of these are tall and straight enough to produce lumber so the guy
who is clearing the lot is not charging anything as he will sell the logs,
which will more than cover his cost to clear.

We are leaving the low trees and shrubs -- live oaks, bay, coast myrtle,
etc.

Okay, better understood now. As a novice woodworker, I would suggest
that you get a better deal on the timber than just having it removed
"for free." But maybe again I don't understand the economics of MS.

My 35' high Saguaro cacti are probably 150 years old so things work a
little slower here. (g)

I realize that we have to remove vegetation to plant our houses, I
just go ballistic when I see a developer clear cut an area to plant a
dozen California-style stuucoboxes on an acre, when by selective
cutting and building few-higher quality homes he could make just as
much money and cut down (sorry Danny) on the Californication of
Arizona.

"Wes Stewart" wrote in message
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On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 20:16:09 -0600, "Joe S."

when by selective cutting and building few-higher quality homes he could
make just as
much money and cut down (sorry Danny) on the Californication of Arizona.

Geeez I haven't seen that term used since Gov Tom McCall of Oregon,
stated: Californians come here and spend your money on vacations then GO
HOME. That was supposed to be a joke but nobody took it that way.

"Joe S." wrote in message
...
Pine trees grow like weeds here. A 70-foot pine tree is likely 20 or so
years old. And, the problem is not just the hurricanes, it's the
near-hurricanes. Every one of these trees has limbs that were ripped off
and several of them have tops that were blown out over the past 20 years
or
so.

Most of these are tall and straight enough to produce lumber so the guy
who is clearing the lot is not charging anything as he will sell the
logs, which will more than cover his cost to clear.

This reminds of a relative (whose first language is not english) was
negotiating the price to get the pine trees remove from a large lot, the
contractor said $5000.00
my relative shook his head and the contractor said "well
I'll give you $6000 but no more"
My relative got smart fast and figured out he was selling the lumber not
paying to have the trees removed!
Mike