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Chuck W. wrote:
"I`m wondering what is the best practice for connecting two tranceivers to a single transmission line / antenna,----?" A "circulator" is the device to route the right energy to the right destination among multiple input/output devices. It is composed of line segments in multiples of 1/4-wavelength of transmission line or waveguide. I made one of 600-ohm open-wire line to parallel two 50-KW shortwave broadcast transmitters to one antenna and a dummy load in case of upset. Both transmitters were excited from the same oscillator. It worked well and there was no upset. I didn`t need the dummy load. The circulator is sometimes called a "rat-race". In any case, I swear that they work. Microwave repeaters are often equipped with waveguide ferrite isolators which allow energy to pass through in one direction with almost no loss but which absorb rf power in the opposite direction. These make clever use of "Faraday" rotation of the plane of polarization as the microwaves travel through a ferrite slab lying in a magnetic field. These ferrite sections allow the transmitter energy to reach the antenna but not reach the associated receiver input of the repeater, so it won`t be overloaded, desensesitized, or accept power which would be better spent in reaching the next repeater. With ferrite isolators, energy can be routed almost at will. I am still embarrased when I recall dropping an isolator in Motorola`s Chicago plant 45 years ago. The ferrite shattered like glass. They cost several hundred dollars each at the time. The Motorolans graciously said to think nothing of it, it happens all the time. Well I don`t drop valuable stuf every day. If I did , no one would let me in! , unless I was going to spend a few millions, which we did. I think you can probably use a "rat-race". Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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Floyd Sense wrote:
"I wouldn`t trust an RF-sensed switch to do the job (have never seen one anyway)." They abound. Plenty of devices are keyed when RF is sensed. Catastrophic failure can be avoided by secondary protection for more security. If simultaneous operation of two or more devices with one antenna is required, switching between them wont work anyway. Some form of combiner is needed. A device for automatic switching is the duplexer used with RADAR which automatically switches the antenna from receive to transmit at the proper times. A diplexer, on the other hand, is used to combine the picture and sound transmitters to the same TV station antenna. This may be a bridge circuit or something similar. Its purpose is to isolate the transmitters from each other while feeding the same antenna. That was also my goal in combining the outputs of two shortwave broadcast transmitters to the same antenna but they were of the same frequency and phase. The circulator I suggested in an earlier posting is a variation on a device described in a couple of books I used to have on amateur radio repeaters. In my case I wanted to make a 100-KW transmitter from two 50-KW reansmitters. It worked well. The medium-wave broadcast plant I worked in, with 950 KHz and 1320 KHz transmitters, accessed the same tower through frequency pass / reject filters in the coax lines to each transmitter from the same antenna. It was no problem, given the frequency separation between the transmitters. An amateur VHF repeater has a much more serious problem given a much smaller percentage frequency separation between its receive and transmit frequencies. The amateur repeater nust often use cavitiesto separate the frequencies enough.. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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I wrote in a prior posting:
"The circulator I suggested in an earlier posting is a variation on a device described in a couple of books I used to have on amateur radio repeaters." I still have not come across the repeater books but my 1987 ARRLHandbook has such a circulator (called a hybrid ring) in Fig. 15 on page14-6, A short escription is on the previous page. How it works is more completely described in the repeater books. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
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