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On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:48:38 -0700, Wes Stewart
wrote: It may come as a surprise to our correspondent who likes to disparage "gurus" that "standard-gain" antennas are widely used as reference standards. To head off the question of how the standard gain is determined, that is done by testing three "identical" antennas in pairs; each one against the other two, with one the source and the other the receiver. A bit of algebra and you have the gain of each one individually. http://www.mi-technologies.com/literature/a00-044.pdf Hi All, The method described by the paper offered above is a commonplace of Metrology called "Reciprocity." I have calibrated precision microphones against this method, and the error math offered is consistent with my experience (much less the actual values offered as examples). As an aside, this method is also as old as the pyramids - literally. The Egyptians planned their blocks of granite to have nearly flat faces to within 10s of microinches using three blocks, by abrading one against the other and then rotating their positions. Accuracy is far more a matter of protocol or technique than it is about a ruler (or other scale). 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 00:04:02 -0700, Richard Clark
wrote: On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 14:48:38 -0700, Wes Stewart wrote: It may come as a surprise to our correspondent who likes to disparage "gurus" that "standard-gain" antennas are widely used as reference standards. To head off the question of how the standard gain is determined, that is done by testing three "identical" antennas in pairs; each one against the other two, with one the source and the other the receiver. A bit of algebra and you have the gain of each one individually. http://www.mi-technologies.com/literature/a00-044.pdf Hi All, The method described by the paper offered above is a commonplace of Metrology called "Reciprocity." I have calibrated precision microphones against this method, and the error math offered is consistent with my experience (much less the actual values offered as examples). It is also a method used for determining the phase noise of low noise oscillators. As an aside, this method is also as old as the pyramids - literally. The Egyptians planned their blocks of granite to have nearly flat faces to within 10s of microinches using three blocks, by abrading one against the other and then rotating their positions. Accuracy is far more a matter of protocol or technique than it is about a ruler (or other scale). 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Richard Clark wrote:
Hi All, The method described by the paper offered above is a commonplace of Metrology called "Reciprocity." I have calibrated precision microphones against this method, and the error math offered is consistent with my experience (much less the actual values offered as examples). Any references on microphone calibration? Maybe a short tutorial? That is something I have a need to do. tom K0TAR |
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:28:01 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote: Any references on microphone calibration? Maybe a short tutorial? That is something I have a need to do. Hi Tom, Standard microphones (I am being quite specific in terminology here)? I googled with the terms B&K microphone reciprocity and the first hit looks as good as any: http://www.bksv.com/pdf/Bv0051.pdf As a treat, it offers a discussion of matching with transmission line metaphors. I should point out that reciprocity means exactly that! The microphone should be capable as acting as a loudspeaker (certainly not too loud) when driven. Standard microphones are capable of accuracies in the 1/100ths of a dB (and this is an extremely conservative statement). If you are playing with retail microphones, and follow the math, you should be able to cobble up something to the nearest 1/4th dB. If your application conforms to this discussion, you may visit the Brüel & Kjær website to find deeper references. They are the pre-eminent makers of precision sound equipment. As I pointed out in another posting relating to the poverty of academia on many technical subjects, the commercial field often leads the way in actual instruction. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:28:01 -0500, Tom Ring wrote: Any references on microphone calibration? Maybe a short tutorial? That is something I have a need to do. Hi Tom, Standard microphones (I am being quite specific in terminology here)? I googled with the terms B&K microphone reciprocity snip 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC Thanks. tom K0TAR |
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On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:28:01 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote: Any references on microphone calibration? Maybe a short tutorial? That is something I have a need to do. Hi Tom, As a second thought, you may not be in the market for the reciprocity technique (it does require that you have a true reference microphone). In that case, you would fall back to a Piston Phone and do a single point calibration. The method is as old as the hills, the math is extremely simple volumetrics, but the implementation (construction of the calibration unit) is not something for the faint of heart. You will need a precision lathe. Again, google using Brüel & Kjær as a jump-off point. Once you do the single point calibration, then you can proceed to a swept frequency analysis. Unfortunately this returns us to the necessity of a reference microphone. However, as relative frequency response is more available (from expensive retail models), you might have a chance. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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Richard Clark wrote:
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 20:28:01 -0500, Tom Ring wrote: Any references on microphone calibration? Maybe a short tutorial? That is something I have a need to do. Hi Tom, As a second thought, you may not be in the market for the reciprocity technique (it does require that you have a true reference microphone). In that case, you would fall back to a Piston Phone and do a single point calibration. The method is as old as the hills, the math is extremely simple volumetrics, but the implementation (construction of the calibration unit) is not something for the faint of heart. You will need a precision lathe. Again, google using Brüel & Kjær as a jump-off point. Once you do the single point calibration, then you can proceed to a swept frequency analysis. Unfortunately this returns us to the necessity of a reference microphone. However, as relative frequency response is more available (from expensive retail models), you might have a chance. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC And thanks for this also. I had a nicely useful, yellow, roughly 11x14, hardcover book that was a handy audio manual that was lost during moving a couple decades ago. It covered beginning through midrange complexity, and had a decent tutorial on bi-amp. Also had a description of Indy Speedway Pit announcement system, high sound pressure level, baseball stadium sound system, and R&R, may have been The Grateful Dead. I think it may have been a husband and wife team that wrote it. Ring any bells? I'd like to order a copy of it. tom K0TAR |
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On Wed, 27 Apr 2005 20:26:10 -0500, Tom Ring
wrote: Ring any bells? I'd like to order a copy of it. Hi Tom, Sorry, no bells not even decibells. 73's Richard Clark, KB7QHC |
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