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CB Radio is MUCH more valuable than Amateur Radio...
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:27:50 -0700, "John Smith"
wrote: Facts are... There are millions of CB Radios out there. Some of these radios are in attics, basements and storage sheds--waiting and forgotten. The hams picture themselves as the source of ALL communications (well, along with gov't) in the event of a major catastrophe. This is quite obliviously ridiculous. It will be truckers and 4-wheelers out on the road, with their radios, in vast numbers, which will first begin to set up communications. They will be providing information and aiding in re-routing traffic around hazardous, dangerous and questionable areas the hams will be monitoring their communications picking up important information as it is happening. CB radios will be supplying hundreds or even thousands (tens-of-thousands, hundreds-of-thousands?) as the few hams with their hobby radios. Truckers are living in the real world, their radios are used in real world situations--reporting accidents, traffic conditions, emergencies and in conduction commerce--they WILL be the most valuable communication lines--their training has been continuous and ongoing.... Freebanders and CB'ers will shine in the event of such an event--let us all hope it never happens... But, don't hang your head in shame as the hams would have it; hold it high, you are clearly head-and-shoulders in the defense, protection and communications of this great country! Hopefully, either the hams have CB equipment--or can quickly modify their equipment and do a quick catch-up!!! grin While debate and argument are good things and will help make it common knowledge that the hams have their heads up their A$$'s--the facts stated above are simply too obivious to argue. However, if/when you do run into hams which cannot face the real world--perhaps it would be a kindness to suggest a three-day observation in their local mental health facility.... Regards, John John, What is your problem with hams? Regards Cory |
Cory Mason wrote:
On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:27:50 -0700, "John Smith" wrote: While debate and argument are good things and will help make it common knowledge that the hams have their heads up their A$$'s--the facts stated above are simply too obivious to argue. However, if/when you do run into hams which cannot face the real world--perhaps it would be a kindness to suggest a three-day observation in their local mental health facility.... Regards, John John, What is your problem with hams? Regards Cory He is just another cber too lazy to get a ham license so the best he can do is attempt to slam ham operators. Ham radio out performs cb radio in so many ways it makes cb look really pathetic, and the cbers have done an excellent job themselves of making cb look pathetic by making 11 meters the sewer pit of the radio spectrum. |
Hmmm, yep, I wrote that--but that part may be viewed as "out of context."
It is in regards to emergencies and the roles CB/Freeband and ham will play.... And, I am NOT known for my poetry!!!! Warmest regards, John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... | Cory Mason wrote: | | On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:27:50 -0700, "John Smith" | wrote: | | While debate and argument are good things and will help make it common | knowledge that the hams have their heads up their A$$'s--the facts stated | above are simply too obivious to argue. However, if/when you do run into | hams which cannot face the real world--perhaps it would be a kindness to | suggest a three-day observation in their local mental health facility.... | | | | Regards, | John | | | | John, What is your problem with hams? | | Regards | Cory | | | He is just another cber too lazy to get a ham license so the best he can | do is attempt to slam ham operators. Ham radio out performs cb radio in | so many ways it makes cb look really pathetic, and the cbers have done | an excellent job themselves of making cb look pathetic by making 11 | meters the sewer pit of the radio spectrum. |
And, you know partner, that is one VERY CHEAP SHOT... I am betting it is
indicative of your whole character.... You should have mentioned it is from rec.radio.cb... The group there are truck drivers, when speaking to truck drivers a much different form of speech is chosen than in other groups... It would have been much more appropriate to have mentioned that.... or, even better, to have referred them to rec.radio.cb and told them I was posting there... either or both would have been preferable... That is uncouth... what next... pickup something from a porn room and drop it here? Indeed, if you look in the above postings, of mine, in this group, you will find I have expressed these same ideas here--with gentler nouns, verbs and text... but then, I think you are for another purpose... perhaps because you are feeling you are losing the argument there, and so wish to sick more hounds upon me? John "Cmd Buzz Corey" wrote in message ... | Cory Mason wrote: | | On Mon, 25 Apr 2005 13:27:50 -0700, "John Smith" | wrote: | | While debate and argument are good things and will help make it common | knowledge that the hams have their heads up their A$$'s--the facts stated | above are simply too obivious to argue. However, if/when you do run into | hams which cannot face the real world--perhaps it would be a kindness to | suggest a three-day observation in their local mental health facility.... | | | | Regards, | John | | | | John, What is your problem with hams? | | Regards | Cory | | | He is just another cber too lazy to get a ham license so the best he can | do is attempt to slam ham operators. Ham radio out performs cb radio in | so many ways it makes cb look really pathetic, and the cbers have done | an excellent job themselves of making cb look pathetic by making 11 | meters the sewer pit of the radio spectrum. |
I still have one CB radio that I keep operational. I turn it on to reaffirm
why I became a ham. In the early '70s, CB was still an honorable communication means employed by many groups performing public services. Most operators were considerate; the key word here is "were". If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies" would step on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would wipe out the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do that on a daily basis. Quite a number of truckers are now licensed hams--they need to be able to communicate more than a mile or two. I have good memories of my CB days, and I appreciate that it got me into ham radio. Unfortunately, "Sewer Pit" is a realistic description for what it has become in many areas--including mine. Illegitimi non caborundum. Russ While debate and argument are good things and will help make it common knowledge that the hams have their heads up their A$$'s--the facts stated above are simply too obivious to argue. However, if/when you do run into hams which cannot face the real world--perhaps it would be a kindness to suggest a three-day observation in their local mental health facility.... Regards, John John, What is your problem with hams? Regards Cory He is just another cber too lazy to get a ham license so the best he can do is attempt to slam ham operators. Ham radio out performs cb radio in so many ways it makes cb look really pathetic, and the cbers have done an excellent job themselves of making cb look pathetic by making 11 meters the sewer pit of the radio spectrum. |
shadow:
That is interesting. I know men who instruct in colleges, are trusted with great secrets, who run amateur, who run CB who I am very happy to have as friends... Then: I know men who instruct in colleges, are trusted with great secrets, who run amateur, who run CB who I am better off for not having their company... See, their differences lie in their character, and not in their position... and in that light--I suspect you and commander buzz share the same.... Regards, John "Shadow998" wrote in message om... |I still have one CB radio that I keep operational. I turn it on to reaffirm | why I became a ham. In the early '70s, CB was still an honorable | communication means employed by many groups performing public services. | Most operators were considerate; the key word here is "were". | | If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies" would step | on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would wipe out | the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do that | on a daily basis. | | Quite a number of truckers are now licensed hams--they need to be able to | communicate more than a mile or two. | | I have good memories of my CB days, and I appreciate that it got me into ham | radio. Unfortunately, "Sewer Pit" is a realistic description for what it | has become in many areas--including mine. | | Illegitimi non caborundum. | | Russ | | | | While debate and argument are good things and will help make it common | knowledge that the hams have their heads up their A$$'s--the facts | stated | above are simply too obivious to argue. However, if/when you do run | into | hams which cannot face the real world--perhaps it would be a kindness to | suggest a three-day observation in their local mental health | facility.... | | | | Regards, | John | | | | John, What is your problem with hams? | | Regards | Cory | | | He is just another cber too lazy to get a ham license so the best he can | do is attempt to slam ham operators. Ham radio out performs cb radio in | so many ways it makes cb look really pathetic, and the cbers have done | an excellent job themselves of making cb look pathetic by making 11 | meters the sewer pit of the radio spectrum. | | |
The group there are truck drivers, when speaking to truck drivers a
much different form of speech is chosen than in other groups... ........ All CB'ers are truck drivers? I know a few truck drivers, and I didn't need an interpretor... The ones I know seem to speak english. Are you talking to Iranian truck drivers? I doubt they use many CB's... Most prefer to bootleg on VHF using ham tranceivers....Kinda the 3rd world "family radio".... Indeed, if you look in the above postings, of mine, in this group, you will find I have expressed these same ideas here--with gentler nouns, verbs and text... I've read your rantings at both places....All in all....I still think you must have been an abused child...You seem fairly silly at either group...gentle or not...BTW....What is this great "mis-information" we hams have supposably foisted upon the world? I read that post.... Sillyness it was...You don't need to be a ham to foist misinformation... You can go back to barking at the moon now.... BTW, Don't worry. I'm not going to argue with you... I fear it would be too painful for you to cope with. I wouldn't want you to go "postal" on us, or anything....I remember once on 75m, they picked on this dude for so long, he went postal and shot his wife to death out of sheer frustration. No joke.... It was on the frequency I talked on at that time...Some out there may still remember it....He was a "4" lander....Was about '85 or so... He may still be serving time for it... So you can see my concern. I wouldn't want you to end up like that. I've argued with some people, and they started barking at the moon out of frustration. You already bark at the moon, so I'm afraid I could be fatal to you...:( So I'll leave you alone....Resume barking now.... MK |
It is your opinion as opposed to mine--this would be a petty argument at
best... Instead of choosing to argue a point I have already decided for myself--go visit there, then attempt to convince that the arguments, debates, and gentlemens' exchange is the same as it is here--if NOT, then I stand correct in what I have stated... Quit nipping at my ankles, it grows boring... John wrote in message oups.com... | The group there are truck drivers, when speaking to truck drivers a | much | different form of speech is chosen than in other groups... ........ | | All CB'ers are truck drivers? I know a few truck drivers, and I didn't | need an interpretor... The ones I know seem to speak english. | Are you talking to Iranian truck drivers? I doubt they use many CB's... | Most prefer to bootleg on VHF using ham tranceivers....Kinda the | 3rd world "family radio".... | | Indeed, if you look in the above postings, of mine, in this group, you | will | find I have expressed these same ideas here--with gentler nouns, verbs | and | text... | | I've read your rantings at both places....All in all....I still think | you | must have been an abused child...You seem fairly silly at either | group...gentle or not...BTW....What is this great "mis-information" | we hams have supposably foisted upon the world? I read that post.... | Sillyness it was...You don't need to be a ham to foist | misinformation... | You can go back to barking at the moon now.... | BTW, Don't worry. I'm not going to argue with you... | I fear it would be too painful for you to cope with. | I wouldn't want you to go "postal" on us, or anything....I remember | once on 75m, they picked on this dude for so long, he went postal | and shot his wife to death out of sheer frustration. No joke.... | It was on the frequency I talked on at that time...Some out there | may still remember it....He was a "4" lander....Was about '85 or so... | He may still be serving time for it... So you can see my concern. | I wouldn't want you to end up like that. I've argued with some people, | | and they started barking at the moon out of frustration. You already | bark at the moon, so I'm afraid I could be fatal to you...:( So I'll | leave | you alone....Resume barking now.... | MK | |
"Shadow998" wrote in message om... If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies" would step on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would wipe out the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do that on a daily basis. snip ...............kinda like treason, right? Giving aid and comfort to the enemy! LMAO! I can see it now: "Tan fer thar, we is a-standin' by thar to copy thar 'ere 'eee-mer-gen-cee' thar on 11 Meters thar, shore thang thar, gre't day 'live live, mercy sakes good buddy guaran-toled ye thar, kick hit back thar wid that 'ere 'far' in th' war (wire), an' we just got down".(What the hell is THAT anyway?) BEEEEEP SQUEEEEEEEK! (We got all them 'ere bird watts thar to git out 'ere wid) This whole thread is just hilarious! I am honestly enjoying it! LMAO! The whole concept is just ludicrous. And the whole argument is an obvious troll designed to get hams all worked up. But I have been reading it and giggling all the while. So while I don my flame suit, forgive me while I snicker and post equally silly comments. And something to think about. CB radio COULD be a good thing, that is true. However, it has no status in the Federal scheme of things WRT disaster or wartime communications. It is simply not taken seriously and I think the author of this thread knows this- AND how to push buttons to get people riled up. Let's face it, guys, it's reputation stems from the Smokey and the Bandit days and the 70's faddishness of CB that has fallen by the wayside. CB radio today has no structure, no organization, and no discipline, all of which would be needed to provide worthwhile communications support to FEMA and gov't officials in the field. That could only take place if CBers returned to some of the activities they once supported. National recognition of CB radio won't come overnight, if, indeed, it ever did. But in order to reach such a goal, one would have to start small and at the local level. Organize clubs who raise funds for local charities and provide communications and aid stations for walkathons and fundraisers. Form auxiliaries to rescue squads and fire departments. For example, during brush fires and large fire events and disasters, provide bottled water to firefighters and sandwiches. Determine ways that CB clubs and auxiliaries can be of help--even if it doesn't necessarily mean you have a mike in your hand. Define objectives and purposes for your club. Make public affairs a part of your club so the local paper knows what you are doing to help. Reach out to other nearby cities and towns and get CBers in those towns to do what you are doing. Community involvement doesn't HAVE to be radio-related, but it can certainly HELP as it forms a cohesive core around which to serve the local community. Perhaps this will spread from just a few local clubs to a regional group with a newsletter with articles on how to help your community, then to some sort of national organization that provides training in weatherspotting (NOAA) to radio procedures for handling radio messages and how to support authorities and know their needs. Someone will have to have that vision at some local level and it will have to spread from that grassroots level. As it is, CB radio is a ragtag, technologically hamstrung, untrained and undisciplined group that provides NO effective support. Period. That is just a fact, Jack. It COULD be much more, but it has a lot of baggage to overcome. What was left after the 70's fad was the outlaw operator with his "leenyar" and "extree" channels and disrespect for the law that is seen by trained professionals AND the Amateur community as sort of a lowball group of ruffians that are not to be taken seriously. How many CBers, dedicated and died-in-the-wool CBers, can legally and effectively talk directly to FEMA? From Virginia to California, from Colorado to Florida right NOW if something happened? They cannot. *Certain* authorized Amateurs and MARS (ham) stations can. And their communications fit right into the military style of voice protocol and both recognize the information being passed. There are such stations scattered thru out the USA. They are there to serve in time of need. I will say no more for obvious security reasons (frequencies, etc). When a message needs to get into or out of New York right NOW, would CB radio do the job? Absolutely not. Your 'leenyar" and "extree" channels would not help, indeed, your efforts would make things WORSE-not better. Hams whose tendencies lean towards volunteer service already train to do this job and, as such, they are supported by the authorities and the Federal gov't with funds designated by the Dep't of Homeland Security to go to ARRL for that purpose. (And, yes, I CAN find the link.) This whole troll thread is just another way to fuel the "war" of CB vs Ham. This is not good. There is a right way to do something and a wrong way. Ham radio already serves Nations and has for nearly 100 years. CB is a johnny-come-lately--even a wannabe--something that, yes, COULD be an asset. But is simply not serious, nor is it now taken seriously to any extent. It is a TOY that is technologically out of date and even could be said to be irrelevant and obsolete. But as I have said in this long discourse, it COULD be a great thing IF................. The "IF" is up to the users. Flame on................................................ ................... J |
Well, my appearance may indeed be one of a troll--except to myself...
But I can assure you, it is much worse a problem than that--I honestly believe what I put to text!!! The arguments I have heard, to date, have not swayed me, much... indeed, I feel I am at a game, half root for one team, half for another... And, I broke that thread in question, away from another, where the whole context of the discussion was beginning to center around "CB worship" as opposed to "amateur worship", and it was quite obvious that hams were "stirring chit" (my opinion only), because it is "funny" to take advantage of a few petty people and bring a whole conversation to a halt--now that is MY interpretation of a "TROLL!" Warmest regards, John "Jerry" wrote in message ... | | "Shadow998" wrote in message | om... | | | If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies" would | step | on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would wipe | out | the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do that | on a daily basis. | | snip | | ..............kinda like treason, right? Giving aid and comfort to the | enemy! LMAO! | | I can see it now: "Tan fer thar, we is a-standin' by thar to copy thar 'ere | 'eee-mer-gen-cee' thar on 11 Meters thar, shore thang thar, gre't day 'live | live, mercy sakes good buddy guaran-toled ye thar, kick hit back thar wid | that 'ere 'far' in th' war (wire), an' we just got down".(What the hell is | THAT anyway?) BEEEEEP SQUEEEEEEEK! | | (We got all them 'ere bird watts thar to git out 'ere wid) | | This whole thread is just hilarious! I am honestly enjoying it! LMAO! The | whole concept is just ludicrous. And the whole argument is an obvious troll | designed to get hams all worked up. But I have been reading it and giggling | all the while. So while I don my flame suit, forgive me while I snicker and | post equally silly comments. And something to think about. | | CB radio COULD be a good thing, that is true. However, it has no status in | the Federal scheme of things WRT disaster or wartime communications. It is | simply not taken seriously and I think the author of this thread knows this- | AND how to push buttons to get people riled up. Let's face it, guys, it's | reputation stems from the Smokey and the Bandit days and the 70's | faddishness of CB that has fallen by the wayside. CB radio today has no | structure, no organization, and no discipline, all of which would be needed | to provide worthwhile communications support to | FEMA and gov't officials in the field. That could only take place if CBers | returned to some of the activities they once supported. National | recognition of CB radio won't come overnight, if, indeed, it ever did. But | in order to reach such a goal, one would have to start small and at the | local level. Organize clubs who raise funds for local charities and provide | communications and aid stations for | walkathons and fundraisers. Form auxiliaries to rescue squads and fire | departments. For example, during brush fires and large fire events and | disasters, provide bottled water to firefighters and sandwiches. Determine | ways that CB clubs and auxiliaries can be of help--even if it doesn't | necessarily mean you have a mike in your hand. Define objectives and | purposes for your club. Make public affairs a part of your club so the local | paper knows what you are doing to help. Reach out to other nearby cities | and towns and get CBers in those towns to do what you are doing. Community | involvement doesn't HAVE to be | radio-related, but it can certainly HELP as it forms a cohesive core around | which to serve the local community. | Perhaps this will spread from just a few local clubs to a regional group | with a newsletter with articles on how to help your community, then to some | sort of national organization that provides training in weatherspotting | (NOAA) to radio procedures for handling radio messages and how to support | authorities and know their needs. Someone will have to have that vision at | some local level and it will have to spread from that grassroots level. | | As it is, CB radio is a ragtag, technologically hamstrung, untrained and | undisciplined group that provides NO effective support. Period. That is | just a fact, Jack. It COULD be much more, but it has a lot of baggage to | overcome. What was left after the 70's fad was the outlaw operator with his | "leenyar" and "extree" channels and disrespect for the law that is seen by | trained professionals AND the Amateur community as sort of a lowball group | of ruffians that are not to be taken seriously. | How many CBers, dedicated and died-in-the-wool CBers, can legally and | effectively talk directly to FEMA? From Virginia to California, from | Colorado to Florida right NOW if something happened? They cannot. *Certain* | authorized Amateurs and MARS (ham) stations can. And their communications | fit right into the military style of voice protocol and both recognize the | information being passed. There are such stations scattered thru out the | USA. They are there to serve in time of need. I will say no more for | obvious security reasons (frequencies, etc). When a message needs to get | into or out of New York right NOW, would CB radio do the job? Absolutely | not. Your 'leenyar" and "extree" channels would not help, indeed, your | efforts would make things WORSE-not better. Hams whose tendencies lean | towards volunteer service already train to do this job and, as such, they | are supported by the authorities and the Federal gov't with funds | designated by the Dep't of Homeland Security to go to ARRL for that purpose. | (And, yes, I CAN find the link.) | | This whole troll thread is just another way to fuel the "war" of CB vs Ham. | This is not good. There is a right way to do something and a wrong way. Ham | radio already serves Nations and has for nearly 100 years. CB is a | johnny-come-lately--even a wannabe--something that, yes, COULD be an asset. | But is simply not serious, nor is it now taken seriously to any extent. It | is a TOY that is technologically out of date and even could be said to be | irrelevant and obsolete. But as I have said in this long discourse, it COULD | be a great thing IF................. | The "IF" is up to the users. | | Flame on................................................ ................... | | J | | | | | | |
John Smith wrote:
"Kinda the 3rd world "family radio" (Ham VHF)." CB is much more valiable than Amateur Radio because it can be legally used for profit as well as for pleasure. FCC rules prohibit amateur radio use in profitable pursuits.- It`s FCC protection for broadcasters, common carriers, and other radio services. Pubkic protection agencies make a business of preparedness for disaster and give mostly lip-service to cooperation with hams. Amateur radio may be competition for homeland protection. Professionals may not need amateur help. You can`t pay amateurs to be ready, so you can`t order them to do anything. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
Richard:
I battle "tons" (at least it feels like that) of those who oppose my views in the cb newsgroup(s)... I have not the energy to reopen that discussion here... I must divorce myself from this thread--I support your right to your opinion(s) and right to disagree--I always have... this thread goes in my "bit bucket", I am weak and easily tempted yanno! grin Warmest regards, John "Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... | John Smith wrote: | "Kinda the 3rd world "family radio" (Ham VHF)." | | CB is much more valiable than Amateur Radio because it can be legally | used for profit as well as for pleasure. FCC rules prohibit amateur | radio use in profitable pursuits.- It`s FCC protection for broadcasters, | common carriers, and other radio services. | | Pubkic protection agencies make a business of preparedness for disaster | and give mostly lip-service to cooperation with hams. Amateur radio may | be competition for homeland protection. Professionals may not need | amateur help. You can`t pay amateurs to be ready, so you can`t order | them to do anything. | | Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI | |
Jerry wrote:
"But (CB) is simply not serious----." CB and Amateur Radio are handled by the same FCC subdivision. A staffer told me that the signals from each looked the same to him on the spectrum analyzer. Reliable performance comes from serious competition or from hire and fire power over the participants. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
Richard Harrison wrote:
CB and Amateur Radio are handled by the same FCC subdivision. A staffer told me that the signals from each looked the same to him on the spectrum analyzer. They are not supposed to be the same amplitude. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Well, the amplitudes aren't equal!!!
Darn heathen CB'ers are not civilized enough to cut the 400+ watts back to 10 watts when that would suffice for the QSO--and that darn MIC GAIN!!!, yanno, someone has got to talk to them about the virtues of speech compression, but it does assist in finding them over a few Mhz (well, that might be exaggerating!!!!! grin) Warmest regards, John "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... | Richard Harrison wrote: | CB and Amateur Radio are handled by the same FCC subdivision. A staffer | told me that the signals from each looked the same to him on the | spectrum analyzer. | | They are not supposed to be the same amplitude. :-) | -- | 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp | | | ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- | http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups | ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
None of it is upsetting me! LOL! I'm rather enjoying the entire thing.
J "John Smith" wrote in message ... Well, my appearance may indeed be one of a troll--except to myself... But I can assure you, it is much worse a problem than that--I honestly believe what I put to text!!! The arguments I have heard, to date, have not swayed me, much... indeed, I feel I am at a game, half root for one team, half for another... And, I broke that thread in question, away from another, where the whole context of the discussion was beginning to center around "CB worship" as opposed to "amateur worship", and it was quite obvious that hams were "stirring chit" (my opinion only), because it is "funny" to take advantage of a few petty people and bring a whole conversation to a halt--now that is MY interpretation of a "TROLL!" Warmest regards, John "Jerry" wrote in message ... | | "Shadow998" wrote in message | om... | | | If we had a national emergency today, John and his "good buddies" would | step | on each other and crank up their "leenyars" to the point they would wipe | out | the nationwide 11 meter band with heterodyne. Wait---they already do that | on a daily basis. | | snip | | ..............kinda like treason, right? Giving aid and comfort to the | enemy! LMAO! | | I can see it now: "Tan fer thar, we is a-standin' by thar to copy thar 'ere | 'eee-mer-gen-cee' thar on 11 Meters thar, shore thang thar, gre't day 'live | live, mercy sakes good buddy guaran-toled ye thar, kick hit back thar wid | that 'ere 'far' in th' war (wire), an' we just got down".(What the hell is | THAT anyway?) BEEEEEP SQUEEEEEEEK! | | (We got all them 'ere bird watts thar to git out 'ere wid) | | This whole thread is just hilarious! I am honestly enjoying it! LMAO! The | whole concept is just ludicrous. And the whole argument is an obvious troll | designed to get hams all worked up. But I have been reading it and giggling | all the while. So while I don my flame suit, forgive me while I snicker and | post equally silly comments. And something to think about. | | CB radio COULD be a good thing, that is true. However, it has no status in | the Federal scheme of things WRT disaster or wartime communications. It is | simply not taken seriously and I think the author of this thread knows this- | AND how to push buttons to get people riled up. Let's face it, guys, it's | reputation stems from the Smokey and the Bandit days and the 70's | faddishness of CB that has fallen by the wayside. CB radio today has no | structure, no organization, and no discipline, all of which would be needed | to provide worthwhile communications support to | FEMA and gov't officials in the field. That could only take place if CBers | returned to some of the activities they once supported. National | recognition of CB radio won't come overnight, if, indeed, it ever did. But | in order to reach such a goal, one would have to start small and at the | local level. Organize clubs who raise funds for local charities and provide | communications and aid stations for | walkathons and fundraisers. Form auxiliaries to rescue squads and fire | departments. For example, during brush fires and large fire events and | disasters, provide bottled water to firefighters and sandwiches. Determine | ways that CB clubs and auxiliaries can be of help--even if it doesn't | necessarily mean you have a mike in your hand. Define objectives and | purposes for your club. Make public affairs a part of your club so the local | paper knows what you are doing to help. Reach out to other nearby cities | and towns and get CBers in those towns to do what you are doing. Community | involvement doesn't HAVE to be | radio-related, but it can certainly HELP as it forms a cohesive core around | which to serve the local community. | Perhaps this will spread from just a few local clubs to a regional group | with a newsletter with articles on how to help your community, then to some | sort of national organization that provides training in weatherspotting | (NOAA) to radio procedures for handling radio messages and how to support | authorities and know their needs. Someone will have to have that vision at | some local level and it will have to spread from that grassroots level. | | As it is, CB radio is a ragtag, technologically hamstrung, untrained and | undisciplined group that provides NO effective support. Period. That is | just a fact, Jack. It COULD be much more, but it has a lot of baggage to | overcome. What was left after the 70's fad was the outlaw operator with his | "leenyar" and "extree" channels and disrespect for the law that is seen by | trained professionals AND the Amateur community as sort of a lowball group | of ruffians that are not to be taken seriously. | How many CBers, dedicated and died-in-the-wool CBers, can legally and | effectively talk directly to FEMA? From Virginia to California, from | Colorado to Florida right NOW if something happened? They cannot. *Certain* | authorized Amateurs and MARS (ham) stations can. And their communications | fit right into the military style of voice protocol and both recognize the | information being passed. There are such stations scattered thru out the | USA. They are there to serve in time of need. I will say no more for | obvious security reasons (frequencies, etc). When a message needs to get | into or out of New York right NOW, would CB radio do the job? Absolutely | not. Your 'leenyar" and "extree" channels would not help, indeed, your | efforts would make things WORSE-not better. Hams whose tendencies lean | towards volunteer service already train to do this job and, as such, they | are supported by the authorities and the Federal gov't with funds | designated by the Dep't of Homeland Security to go to ARRL for that purpose. | (And, yes, I CAN find the link.) | | This whole troll thread is just another way to fuel the "war" of CB vs Ham. | This is not good. There is a right way to do something and a wrong way. Ham | radio already serves Nations and has for nearly 100 years. CB is a | johnny-come-lately--even a wannabe--something that, yes, COULD be an asset. | But is simply not serious, nor is it now taken seriously to any extent. It | is a TOY that is technologically out of date and even could be said to be | irrelevant and obsolete. But as I have said in this long discourse, it COULD | be a great thing IF................. | The "IF" is up to the users. | | Flame on................................................ ................... | | J | | | | | | |
CB is much more valiable than Amateur Radio because it can be legally
used for profit as well as for pleasure. FCC rules prohibit amateur radio use in profitable pursuits.- It`s FCC protection for broadcasters, common carriers, and other radio services. ......... None of this matters in smaller third world nations though....Most people I see on TV, in say Iran, Afghanistan, africa, etc, etc, are using VHF Handie talkies most of the time. I never see them using CB's, although, I guess some do...But I've seen icom HT's on CNN, many a time, when seeing video of people over there...I would think they are working simplex...Most all soldiers I see with radios are using icoms, etc... I don't think CB is real popular, although maybe there are a few... As far as I know, CB is mainly a USA conceived band...If others use it, it's just cause they adopted it to use existing radios being built... As far as the debate as which is better, to me it's a non issue...I can use either, or both...But to *me*, ham radio is much more useful than CB could ever think of being...Just the restriction of being in a small single band is enough to kill it, being as skip is only good about 50% of the time...So, yea, I could talk across town, but maybe nowhere else...With ham radio, I can talk to nearly anyone, one way or the other, if they can match bands with me. Being able to work 160m-70cm with a single radio smokes being able to work only 11m with a single radio... If we had a major emergency, which for us in Houston, will almost certainly be a hurricane, I bet ham radio will be much more useful overall, just due to the shear advantage of mucho more spectrum, and types of propagation. And many locals on VHF are already into skywarn, etc...So 2m is a natural for the hams locally...They are prepared for it. But... Having a CB would be better than nothing at all....I don't have the problem of looking down on CB...To me, it's just another band, under different regs...I give them about as much thought as I do the cell phone band... I might tune across 11m, maybe once every two months or so, when checking cdx....It's actually usually fairly dead around here...For that reason, it could actually be fairly useful...Very few "average" people have CB's like they used to...Most CB'ers now, are fairly hard core CB'ers....And people that actually use them like truckers, and people way out on ranches, etc....You go out in west texas, and there are still a few ranchers that use CB to yik yak...It's like their local party line... But myself, I prefer 80/40 meters for local/regional use...40 in the day, 80 at night...Or 160 too....I could talk three blocks away, to Galveston, and relay to Austin, all on the same band as a scenario...CB....Three blocks, yes...Galveston, hummmm....Not very well...Would need a good antenna, and big leanyer...Austin...SOL, unless it's a fluke of nature.... I know which line I'll be in.....BTW....Many truckers agree, and are on 80/40....They know what really works...Just most truckers don't have a ham ticket...I think the numbers are increasing though...They can talk to their families anywhere on the road, if the YL, etc is a ham... CB won't do that very often...Skip zone is too long, and it will always be a crapshoot for regional use. I use the bands that best match the path, time of day. Way more reliable. I can get on 80/40 right now and talk to Dallas, or any other city in the country. Even from my truck. No if's, ands, or but's....nearly as reliable as a telephone... In some rare cases, the MUF may drop way low, and 160 would be the better choice. CB won't talk to Dallas from Houston very often at all...CB is CB. No more, no less...I suspect if "John Smith" actually has a ticket, it's no code....And no HF, unless maybe he has an old novice...I can't see a reason to complain if he actually had use of those other bands. Only people who have some kind of inferiority complex bark at the moon about something as trivial as CB vs Ham radio...Maybe we should develop a cb/ham therapy course to deal with all the problems of coexistance. We could have them at ham fests, etc...Hams and CB'ers could have group encounter sessions to iron out their problems...Get all touchy feely, and hug each other.... Of course, I won't be there....Sounds too gay to me....:( MK |
Mark, NM5K wrote:
"i use the bands that best match the path." The medium more or less dictates that discipline for DX. H-F has lost commercial traffic to cable and satellite which are available around the clock and calendar. Even broadcasters have satellite subscribers. They supply pictures too.. Yes, there`s amateur TV, but it isn`t prevalent, and CBers don`t do it either. Anyone who wants to contact the world anyplace at any time can get a cell phone. The worldwide system will become compatible and pervasive. Who wants to use Morse code? Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
Oranges to Apples
Two different services for entirely different folks. Both have their merits and disadvantages. -- CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! |
I DON'T want to post here!!! weakness-showing
Code? I use the computer keyboard and "code reader", it all happens on my computer screen--kinda like a "chat room"--not so bad really--besides, no one can read my key by ear anyway--I have NO music ability.... that guy on "American Idol"--which everyone thought sung bad--I KINDA LIKED HIM!!! innocent-look Warmest regards, John "Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... | Mark, NM5K wrote: | "i use the bands that best match the path." | | The medium more or less dictates that discipline for DX. | | H-F has lost commercial traffic to cable and satellite which are | available around the clock and calendar. Even broadcasters have | satellite subscribers. They supply pictures too.. Yes, there`s amateur | TV, but it isn`t prevalent, and CBers don`t do it either. | | Anyone who wants to contact the world anyplace at any time can get a | cell phone. The worldwide system will become compatible and pervasive. | | Who wants to use Morse code? | | Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI | |
Well, I certainly can agree with your point, it is well taken here and a
logical view... However, you failed to mention those like me; with my "split-personality" BOTH appeal to me! grin Warmest regards, John "Caveat Lector" wrote in message news:N1ree.1280$eU.711@fed1read07... | Oranges to Apples | Two different services for entirely different folks. | Both have their merits and disadvantages. | | -- | CL -- I doubt, therefore I might be ! | | |
"i use the bands that best match the path."
The medium more or less dictates that discipline for DX. Anywhere, not just dx...I actually don't work that much dx... Even regional, choosing the right band is important. H-F has lost commercial traffic to cable and satellite which are available around the clock and calendar. Yea, but I can't use the commercial freq's anyway...So to me, HF is unchanged. Even broadcasters have satellite subscribers. They supply pictures too.. Yes, there`s amateur TV, but it isn`t prevalent, and CBers don`t do it either. I'm fully capable of TV. slow scan anywhere , or ATV on 70cm... Not to mention all the other services available like wefax, data, etc.. I can do it all mobile, if I have a laptop... Anyone who wants to contact the world anyplace at any time can get a cell phone. The worldwide system will become compatible and pervasive. Yea, I have one of those too....For the non radio types, thats the best bet... Who wants to use Morse code? Doesn't bother me, if I needed to. But morse would not likely be used in an emergency type deal...I'd more likely be on fone... But if they wanna go to morse, I'm ready.. If we actually had a hurricane, I see myself being on 2m mainly for local stuff, but also on 80/40 doing regional welfare checks and info, liason, etc...Bout the same as any other "emergency" like the quake in Mexico City, etc...Except, they used 20m more, being farther away...They matched the band to the path... MK |
Who wants to use Morse code?
I do ! And furthermore, neither YOU nor nobody else can stop me. ---- Reg, G4FGQ. |
Reg:
No offense meant by me, here... personally, can't listen to it (code) for prolonged periods without going to bed and hearing a mysterious station sending the same message I copied earlier... frown I envy those who can't even believe that... Warmest regards, John "Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... | Who wants to use Morse code? | | I do ! And furthermore, neither YOU nor nobody else can stop me. | ---- | Reg, G4FGQ. | | | |
"Reg Edwards" wrote in message ... Who wants to use Morse code? I do ! And furthermore, neither YOU nor nobody else can stop me. ---- Reg, G4FGQ. Reg It may be just the few of us. My father directed artillery fire from a spotter plane with a key on a leg strap. Therefore I learned the code and the alphabet simultaneously. I recall an article in Electronics World from 1962 referring to the genesis of CB: "The electronics industry needed a shot-in-the-arm." IIRC The rule-makers "stabbed themselves in the back with their own ballpoints." I will never forget that phrase; no "IIRC" needed. I am still laughing. 73 H. |
H. Adam Smith wrote:
"I recall an article in Electronics World from 1962 referring to the genisis of CB: "The electronics industry needed a shot-in-the-arm"IIRC." It didn`t last. Now the magazine is gone too. Ordinary citizens were denied access to the airwaves at the time. The airwaves are public property which they could be permitted to use. The airwaves are public property as the air we breathe is public. CB allowed the general public legal access with no technical or Morse mumbo jumbo. Profit potential gained support from many who would not have been for loosing control over radio. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
" no technical or Morse mumbo jumbo"
That's the problem Richard, it isn't mumbo jumbo, but what happened on 11 meters usually sounds like mumbo jumbo. 73 H. "Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... H. Adam Smith wrote: "I recall an article in Electronics World from 1962 referring to the genisis of CB: "The electronics industry needed a shot-in-the-arm"IIRC." It didn`t last. Now the magazine is gone too. Ordinary citizens were denied access to the airwaves at the time. The airwaves are public property which they could be permitted to use. The airwaves are public property as the air we breathe is public. CB allowed the general public legal access with no technical or Morse mumbo jumbo. Profit potential gained support from many who would not have been for loosing control over radio. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
H. Adam Stevens, NQ5H wrote:
"That`s the problem Richard, it isn`t mumbo jumbo, but what happened on 11 meters usually sounds like mumbo jumbo." When the radio amateur service was established, spark transmitters abounded.. Transmitters lacked stability, movies were silent, and ionospheric propagation was not well understood. A lot has changed. Radios are very stable and radio-telephone has long been the mode of choice. An operator specially trained in the theory and practice of radio is no more necessary than a trained auto mechanic is needed to operate a car or truck. Operators should know radio law and rules. They should be required to operate within the law. When they break the rules they should be penalized. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI |
"Richard Harrison" wrote in message ... snip Operators should know radio law and rules. They should be required to operate within the law. When they break the rules they should be penalized. Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI The frequencies between the 10 meter ham band and CB are a target rich environment. |
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