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Create .pdf files for free...
Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive.
Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a ..pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
.... and it would help if I gave you the URL:
http://www.pdfpdf.com/pdf4free.html Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
John Smith wrote:
... and it would help if I gave you the URL: http://www.pdfpdf.com/pdf4free.html Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? I use PDF Creator, and I like it. Same deal, just a different program... -- ------------------------------------------- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
John Smith wrote:
... and it would help if I gave you the URL: http://www.pdfpdf.com/pdf4free.html Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Same frigging oversight: http://sector7g.wurzel6.de/pdfcreator/index_en.htm -- ------------------------------------------- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
They tend to be based on Ghostscript, the almost GPL utility that
converts from postscript to raster, postscript to PDF etc. Very handy and source code is available. From memory the "first" Windows implementation also used "redmon", a printer port redirector. The idea being that you used standard postscript driver and the output stream normally destined for the printer was fed into the stdin on ghostscript. The output can be set to all types of file or device types. If you go this way it is worthwhile downloading Adobe's distiller PPD and using that instead of a standard Windoze printer driver. Ghostscript is used extensively in Linux to convert PS printer streams to specific printer device types. Pls be careful of the license provisions as it isnt quite open GPL. They tend to leave older versions for almost unrestricted use but more recent ones have rules of use. If of course you are a home/provate user it isnt a problem. Also keep in mind that the Adobe creator does a lot more than just "distill" like the free versions do. Depends on your needs of course! Cheers Bob John Smith wrote: Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. |
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Bob Bob wrote: Pls be careful of the license provisions as it isnt quite open GPL. They tend to leave older versions for almost unrestricted use but more recent ones have rules of use. If of course you are a home/provate user it isnt a problem. Right... it'd the difference between the AFPL (formerly Alladin) version, which is more up to date and has a more restrictive license, and the GPL (formerly GNU) version. The AFPL license, for example, forbids commercial (for-money) distribution. AFPL GhostScript is currently at 8.51, GPL Ghostscript is at 8.15 (dates to last September). -- Dave Platt AE6EO Hosting the Jade Warrior home page: http://www.radagast.org/jade-warrior I do _not_ wish to receive unsolicited commercial email, and I will boycott any company which has the gall to send me such ads! |
I am pretty sure you will want PDF4FREE once you become proficient and
experienced with .pdf files, it is NOT based on ghostscript--however, you must have adobe acrobat installed... all you need is the single 600K+ pdf4free file... small, efficient, accurate... 1) download it 2) click on it to install it 3) reboot 4) print with it Ghostscript is a most notable offering, and does quite well, however, with very complex documents you will find slight to moderate errors are encountered (this has to do with patents and rights held by adobe and is to be expected.) Also, transforming PDF to DOC or other format, or viewing in 3rd party .pdf readers, will get "weird", sometimes, if the .pdf was created with the Ghostscript .dll--I have never found this with pdf4free... Only drawback is you MUST have windows 2000 or better... but then you should anyway... Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:02:02 -0700, John Smith wrote:
Only drawback is you MUST have windows 2000 or better... but then you should anyway... I sure do. I've both Mandrake Linux and OS/2. Both are _better_ . Jonesy |
Well ya, in the way that a $50,000 casket is "better" than a $500 dollar
one, the occupant of either can't really enjoy that fact... makes ya wonder who they build 'em for? ... those with guilty feelings, I suppose... Slackware--the King of UNIX on a pc... Mandrake is for women, children and a learning/training tool... grin ... but then, so is RedHat... Warmest regards, John "Allodoxaphobia" wrote in message ... On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:02:02 -0700, John Smith wrote: Only drawback is you MUST have windows 2000 or better... but then you should anyway... I sure do. I've both Mandrake Linux and OS/2. Both are _better_ . Jonesy |
I tried several myself, and settled on PDF Creator also - because the
resulting PDF files were generally smaller. I use it to convert powerpoint presentations to PDF - and it works great. The resulting PDF files are usually significantly smaller than the original ppt files. "Tim Wescott" wrote in message ... John Smith wrote: ... and it would help if I gave you the URL: http://www.pdfpdf.com/pdf4free.html Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? Same frigging oversight: http://sector7g.wurzel6.de/pdfcreator/index_en.htm -- ------------------------------------------- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
On Tue, 24 May 2005 15:05:21 -0400, John Smith
wrote: -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/mail/ You can convert any text file to PDF format with Open Office Writer.. and it's free also. 73 Dave kc1di |
You can 'Create Java Programs for free' by downloading the Java JDK and Java
tutorial from http://Java.sun.com - and Python programming at Python.org - and PHP programmnig, and Perl programming at activestate.com. and you can host your own website by downloading a free server from Apache.org. then you have openOffice.org for an office suite that's free and Gimp for image manipulation - and Satori "John Smith" wrote in message ... Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C"
programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . You can 'Create Java Programs for free' by downloading the Java JDK and Java tutorial from http://Java.sun.com - and Python programming at Python.org - and PHP programmnig, and Perl programming at activestate.com. and you can host your own website by downloading a free server from Apache.org. then you have openOffice.org for an office suite that's free and Gimp for image manipulation - and Satori "John Smith" wrote in message ... Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Warmest regards, John -- Watching the cutting edge of yesterday replay--in virtual reality, right before my eyes--in real time! Thirty year old technology--wasn't it amazing? |
sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript.
Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been
available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel code in Linux... .... it is slow... There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time (but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language is enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding... windows wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they implemented Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it... Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly "compiling" only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in webpages... the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows system... what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since SUN sued, you must get their binaries... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript. Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
.... in the above post...
--used to be the wsh/wish windows script-- should have been: --used to be the wsh/wish windows scripting engine-- Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel code in Linux... ... it is slow... There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time (but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language is enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding... windows wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they implemented Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it... Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly "compiling" only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in webpages... the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows system... what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since SUN sued, you must get their binaries... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript. Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
hehe
Perl is obfusication personified and suitable for small jobs only. Java , C++ and most other OO languages are scalable. speaking of s l o w no matter how fast they make processors no matter how much memory no matter how large the hard drive as soon as they're on the market someone will write the app that will bring it to its knees that's the job of M$ ;-) "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel code in Linux... ... it is slow... There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time (but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language is enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding... windows wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they implemented Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it... Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly "compiling" only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in webpages... the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows system... what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since SUN sued, you must get their binaries... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript. Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
Hal:
LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point... However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin .... however, point well taken... Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message ... hehe Perl is obfusication personified and suitable for small jobs only. Java , C++ and most other OO languages are scalable. speaking of s l o w no matter how fast they make processors no matter how much memory no matter how large the hard drive as soon as they're on the market someone will write the app that will bring it to its knees that's the job of M$ ;-) "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is NOT a computer language... script compilers have always been available, perl has one also, as does C#, wsh, etc--java "compiled" is really still a script calling winapi's on windows, and calls into kernel code in Linux... ... it is slow... There is nothing wrong with scripting languages, I use perl all the time (but I don't bother with the "compiler")--indeed, one scripting language is enough--why the world wants a hundred is above my understanding... windows wish/wsh has front ends for most, so you can write in the syntax you are fluent in--perl--wish--C#--java--etc--in fact--this is how they implemented Java on their platform, and why SUN sued them and they removed it... Java--Java Beans--Javascript is all pretty much the same--mostly "compiling" only obfuscates the code--at first this made it difficult for others to copy--now Java "de-compilers" tear it apart to the base source code with ease... Java "compiles" in OS specific format--javascript is in webpages... the JIT (Just In Time compiler) "runs" that java code on a windows system... what ultimately runs--used to be the wsh/wish windows script--now since SUN sued, you must get their binaries... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. sounds like you're mixing up Java and JavaScript. Java is really a good language for Linux - and Wndows - And for i-series (AS/400) C# is a java wannabe. (VB.net runs as fast as C#) You call them scripting languages - but they're really hybrids - they are compiled - but not to machine language. Java needs the JVM - and C# needs the dot-net framework. Java will run on most platforms. C# will run on windows. Java rules. C# is not my favorite language - in case I wasn't clear. I like Python better than Perl. It is Object-oriented. Java spoiled me for OO. When it comes to server-side programming, Java is the one - JSP and servlets. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Java is OK for Linux, C# is better on windows machines (both use the "C" programming syntax--both are scripting languages--if you are going to use a scripting language get activeperl, it is free and the best)... Windows XP no longer supports java--if you patch with SP2 (and you most certainly should) java is lost and must be installed as a third party component from the SUN Microsystems site... I don't use Java--too slow... most malicious webpage/email/newsgroup attacks are in java these days... although few are successful--some are... scriptkiddies favorite language is Java... Warmest regards, John |
Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report
generation. And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of languages. To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than Cobol and the procedural languages. You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking (and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me) Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold') at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough. Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO concepts its a different way of thinking about programming. google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a little more insight into the OO-way. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point... However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin ... however, point well taken... Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ Warmest regards, John |
There is no Object Orientated Assembly Language (by definition)--it is the
way you write the assembly code which will either make it OOP specification compliant, or not--I was lucky, I naturally wrote code that way, when it made/makes sense... from the start I seen myself showing up with a briefcase full of cdroms, all containing code from past projects, and written with procedure/function calls, containing data which was appropriate for each, using NO global data (well, sometimes ya gotta), appropriate use of dynamic and static .dll calls, so as to be sane, etc, etc... and constructing whole, new programs from what has already been built with highly structured code... This is all OOP is--however, the "Pseudo-Intellectuals" immediately start banding about such terms, and do not understand that these terms are based on very simple principals--and that one does NOT need an "Object Orientated Language" to create such code--and yes, except for all data having to be global in the past, in Perl, you could have always written OOP in Perl if you had chosen (for the most part, that has all changed, now you can keep data and variables local)--sometimes, I still choose not to... Java is a scripting language which can be "compiled", it is not a good language--it is popular with scriptkiddies (black hats) which think "C code" is difficult for others to understand--it is "C Syntax" and I am writing my memoirs in "C" !!!! grin In the industry we watch out for people showing up and using "OOP" as they would George Bushes' name, or as a holy mantra--it shows they are either fresh out of college, or "Weekend Programmers", or worse, scriptkiddies... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report generation. And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of languages. To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than Cobol and the procedural languages. You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking (and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me) Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold') at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough. Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO concepts its a different way of thinking about programming. google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a little more insight into the OO-way. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point... However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin ... however, point well taken... Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ Warmest regards, John |
I'm glad you finally see it all my way.
:-) "John Smith" wrote in message ... There is no Object Orientated Assembly Language (by definition)--it is the way you write the assembly code which will either make it OOP specification compliant, or not--I was lucky, I naturally wrote code that way, when it made/makes sense... from the start I seen myself showing up with a briefcase full of cdroms, all containing code from past projects, and written with procedure/function calls, containing data which was appropriate for each, using NO global data (well, sometimes ya gotta), appropriate use of dynamic and static .dll calls, so as to be sane, etc, etc... and constructing whole, new programs from what has already been built with highly structured code... This is all OOP is--however, the "Pseudo-Intellectuals" immediately start banding about such terms, and do not understand that these terms are based on very simple principals--and that one does NOT need an "Object Orientated Language" to create such code--and yes, except for all data having to be global in the past, in Perl, you could have always written OOP in Perl if you had chosen (for the most part, that has all changed, now you can keep data and variables local)--sometimes, I still choose not to... Java is a scripting language which can be "compiled", it is not a good language--it is popular with scriptkiddies (black hats) which think "C code" is difficult for others to understand--it is "C Syntax" and I am writing my memoirs in "C" !!!! grin In the industry we watch out for people showing up and using "OOP" as they would George Bushes' name, or as a holy mantra--it shows they are either fresh out of college, or "Weekend Programmers", or worse, scriptkiddies... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report generation. And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of languages. To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than Cobol and the procedural languages. You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking (and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me) Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold') at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough. Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO concepts its a different way of thinking about programming. google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a little more insight into the OO-way. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point... However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin ... however, point well taken... Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ Warmest regards, John |
Hal:
Too bad really--makes for a boring discussion... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message ... I'm glad you finally see it all my way. :-) "John Smith" wrote in message ... There is no Object Orientated Assembly Language (by definition)--it is the way you write the assembly code which will either make it OOP specification compliant, or not--I was lucky, I naturally wrote code that way, when it made/makes sense... from the start I seen myself showing up with a briefcase full of cdroms, all containing code from past projects, and written with procedure/function calls, containing data which was appropriate for each, using NO global data (well, sometimes ya gotta), appropriate use of dynamic and static .dll calls, so as to be sane, etc, etc... and constructing whole, new programs from what has already been built with highly structured code... This is all OOP is--however, the "Pseudo-Intellectuals" immediately start banding about such terms, and do not understand that these terms are based on very simple principals--and that one does NOT need an "Object Orientated Language" to create such code--and yes, except for all data having to be global in the past, in Perl, you could have always written OOP in Perl if you had chosen (for the most part, that has all changed, now you can keep data and variables local)--sometimes, I still choose not to... Java is a scripting language which can be "compiled", it is not a good language--it is popular with scriptkiddies (black hats) which think "C code" is difficult for others to understand--it is "C Syntax" and I am writing my memoirs in "C" !!!! grin In the industry we watch out for people showing up and using "OOP" as they would George Bushes' name, or as a holy mantra--it shows they are either fresh out of college, or "Weekend Programmers", or worse, scriptkiddies... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . Perl is good at what its designed for - text manipulation and report generation. And as they say - its also known as the Swiss-Army Chain Saw of languages. To answer the question how is Java and the OO-languages better than Cobol and the procedural languages. You'll have to get into the Object-oriented way of thinking (and it was not an easy paradigm shift for me) Java 'grows on you' (some say 'like a mold') at first its ok, because the syntax is easy enough. Then you get into inheritance and Polymorphism and the other OO concepts its a different way of thinking about programming. google "Thinking in Java" or "Thinking in C++" by Bruce Eckel for a little more insight into the OO-way. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: LOL! Years ago I can remember looking at perl and asking, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?"--now it looks like my grocery list, simple--but I get your point... However, how is java or "C++" any better, after cobol, basic and pascal--then seeing Dennis Richies' little project (A, B and "C"), I asked, "WHAT THE H3LL IS THAT?" grin ... however, point well taken... Mr. Dennis Richies REAL homepage: http://www.cs.bell-labs.com/who/dmr/ Warmest regards, John |
Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java, and
Python. (All 3 are object-oriented) Special permission was needed for other languages I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of development. Large projects - with many developers of varying degrees of competence - are easier to manage using OO design. If someone gives a coder a job like: "write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args and return a abc class..." he can go right to work. -and - someone else can be coding a different method for the same class. regardless of the language when you code you'll find some patterns we all use over and over the difference is syntax |
Hal:
Java is buried in a lot of webpages... when it first got big use... I kinda liked all the flashy visual stuff it could do... .... then it started bogging down net speed, then the scriptkiddies started finding evil ways to hijack your browser and "trick" you into clicking on buttons which put bad code on your machine with Java--I dumped Java then--now I have run XP w/SP2 with SUN Java enabled and not been bothered with the malicious code--but once burned--twice warned--and I turn Java off most of the time... some forms demand it... I am not against scripting languages, and perl is one of the first I learned--but since I write in C, Java is no problem--but I don't like the OOP part, it forces a lot of predefined functions/procedures and methods on you... luckily, we don't do any Java at the shop--it is too slow for our implementations of encryption/decryption... sometimes assembly is barely able to manage the tasks in real time... and that is important with voice/video communications... Are you a programmer Hal? And if so, what is your language(s) of choice? And, are you a hobby programmer or have to try to get enough money to eat from your efforts (like me grin) ? My most fulfilling use of code is for personal use... I'd really quit my job if I didn't need the booze, cigs and loose women (well, something like that grin) Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java, and Python. (All 3 are object-oriented) Special permission was needed for other languages I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of development. Large projects - with many developers of varying degrees of competence - are easier to manage using OO design. If someone gives a coder a job like: "write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args and return a abc class..." he can go right to work. -and - someone else can be coding a different method for the same class. regardless of the language when you code you'll find some patterns we all use over and over the difference is syntax |
Dave C:
Gee, that is too bad... probably quells diversity in what is available to Mac users... bummer man! But, you remind me how lucky windows users are with the IBM open platform of the PC hardware and how anyone can pick up a book, learn a bit of programming and we can yet have another alternative to the many we have to pick from... I do feel for you Mac users, how about putting Linux on your Mac box? That would open up new horizons for you... grin Warmest regards, John "DaveC" wrote in message news.net... On Tue, 24 May 2005 12:05:21 -0700, John Smith wrote (in article ): Many here seem to be hung up on .pdf files, adobes pdf creator is expensive. Here is a utility which installs itself like a printer, all you do is choose to print from any windows application, choose this printer driver and it will "print" a .pdf file of any word, notepad, etc. And you end up with a .pdf of the work in question... Been built into Mac OS X for quite awhile, now. It's a little button on the print dialog box that says "Save as PDF". Anything you can print, you can save as PDF file. -- Please, no "Go Google this" replies. I wouldn't ask a question here if I hadn't done that already. DaveC This is an invalid return address Please reply in the news group |
Yes, running one OS on top of another can be done in all worlds (all
platforms), but, why trash speed and efficiency just to do some weird mechanizations? But, sure might impress some "Good Ole CB Buddies" (some hams too I suppose.) grin Warmest regards, John "DaveC" wrote in message news.net... On Fri, 27 May 2005 23:45:11 -0700, John Smith wrote (in article ): I do feel for you Mac users, how about putting Linux on your Mac box? That would open up new horizons for you... grin Thanks for the suggestion. But no need. Many 'NIX applications can run under OS X, or so I understand. Many 'NIXers are turning to Macs (Mac OS X, that is) as a platform for their apps. -- Please, no "Go Google this" replies. I wouldn't ask a question here if I hadn't done that already. DaveC This is an invalid return address Please reply in the news group |
Yep, Applets gave Java a head start.
But now I don't think applets are being used very much. Full blown applications (like Star Office and 'Open Office.org) is the typical Java program now. Now everyone is trying to get their programs web-enabled. Yep - I'm a programmer. and a student - and a teacher The more I learn, the more I learn that there's more to learn. My ignorance becomes more obvious to me as I learn. The push now is to make legacy apps web-accessable - or to replace legacy code with web apps. Java servlets and Java Server Pages (As opposed to Applets) seems to be the wave of the future. I don't have a favorite language until I see the environment and requirements. But I do have 'least favorites' (C# and dot-net in general) your description of scriptkiddies causing you to 'dump java' is a shame But It still sounds like you're getting JavaScript confused with Java. Since you program in c, it makes sense that you don't like OO. Object-Oriented programming is quite a departure from the procedural world of c. Its a different programming philosophy. And to top it off - they're coming with a new one called "Aspect-Oriented Programming". We'll see if it stands to test of time. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: Java is buried in a lot of webpages... when it first got big use... I kinda liked all the flashy visual stuff it could do... ... then it started bogging down net speed, then the scriptkiddies started finding evil ways to hijack your browser and "trick" you into clicking on buttons which put bad code on your machine with Java--I dumped Java then--now I have run XP w/SP2 with SUN Java enabled and not been bothered with the malicious code--but once burned--twice warned--and I turn Java off most of the time... some forms demand it... I am not against scripting languages, and perl is one of the first I learned--but since I write in C, Java is no problem--but I don't like the OOP part, it forces a lot of predefined functions/procedures and methods on you... luckily, we don't do any Java at the shop--it is too slow for our implementations of encryption/decryption... sometimes assembly is barely able to manage the tasks in real time... and that is important with voice/video communications... Are you a programmer Hal? And if so, what is your language(s) of choice? And, are you a hobby programmer or have to try to get enough money to eat from your efforts (like me grin) ? My most fulfilling use of code is for personal use... I'd really quit my job if I didn't need the booze, cigs and loose women (well, something like that grin) Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java, and Python. (All 3 are object-oriented) Special permission was needed for other languages I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of development. Large projects - with many developers of varying degrees of competence - are easier to manage using OO design. If someone gives a coder a job like: "write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args and return a abc class..." he can go right to work. -and - someone else can be coding a different method for the same class. regardless of the language when you code you'll find some patterns we all use over and over the difference is syntax |
Hal:
.... well, scriptkiddies may be offensive to some, perhaps "scripters" would be a better choice to describe this group of coders... .... I often hear Java discussed as if it were a language, instead of a compiled scripting language... however, even if they were correct--one would only need to ask the question, "Why?" As, with "C" and "C++" it would only be a reduplication of effort! If the intent is to rename "C++" to "Java"--well, as time passes it just might take... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . Yep, Applets gave Java a head start. But now I don't think applets are being used very much. Full blown applications (like Star Office and 'Open Office.org) is the typical Java program now. Now everyone is trying to get their programs web-enabled. Yep - I'm a programmer. and a student - and a teacher The more I learn, the more I learn that there's more to learn. My ignorance becomes more obvious to me as I learn. The push now is to make legacy apps web-accessable - or to replace legacy code with web apps. Java servlets and Java Server Pages (As opposed to Applets) seems to be the wave of the future. I don't have a favorite language until I see the environment and requirements. But I do have 'least favorites' (C# and dot-net in general) your description of scriptkiddies causing you to 'dump java' is a shame But It still sounds like you're getting JavaScript confused with Java. Since you program in c, it makes sense that you don't like OO. Object-Oriented programming is quite a departure from the procedural world of c. Its a different programming philosophy. And to top it off - they're coming with a new one called "Aspect-Oriented Programming". We'll see if it stands to test of time. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: Java is buried in a lot of webpages... when it first got big use... I kinda liked all the flashy visual stuff it could do... ... then it started bogging down net speed, then the scriptkiddies started finding evil ways to hijack your browser and "trick" you into clicking on buttons which put bad code on your machine with Java--I dumped Java then--now I have run XP w/SP2 with SUN Java enabled and not been bothered with the malicious code--but once burned--twice warned--and I turn Java off most of the time... some forms demand it... I am not against scripting languages, and perl is one of the first I learned--but since I write in C, Java is no problem--but I don't like the OOP part, it forces a lot of predefined functions/procedures and methods on you... luckily, we don't do any Java at the shop--it is too slow for our implementations of encryption/decryption... sometimes assembly is barely able to manage the tasks in real time... and that is important with voice/video communications... Are you a programmer Hal? And if so, what is your language(s) of choice? And, are you a hobby programmer or have to try to get enough money to eat from your efforts (like me grin) ? My most fulfilling use of code is for personal use... I'd really quit my job if I didn't need the booze, cigs and loose women (well, something like that grin) Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java, and Python. (All 3 are object-oriented) Special permission was needed for other languages I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of development. Large projects - with many developers of varying degrees of competence - are easier to manage using OO design. If someone gives a coder a job like: "write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args and return a abc class..." he can go right to work. -and - someone else can be coding a different method for the same class. regardless of the language when you code you'll find some patterns we all use over and over the difference is syntax |
You mentioned "Java applet" for instance... its' counter part in the "real world" is a dynamic .dll, binary code called and executed as needed... it really makes no sense in renaming a dll to "applet." Why this "floats" and is claimed to be "revolutionary" is beyond my understanding--I chuck all such things into the "obfuscation bucket." And, think the ones doing this have just run out of fresh ideas so are reduced to BS to try to cut out a position for themselves...
Cynical is my middle name, I forgot to tell ya that, "John Cynical Smith." grin Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: ... well, scriptkiddies may be offensive to some, perhaps "scripters" would be a better choice to describe this group of coders... ... I often hear Java discussed as if it were a language, instead of a compiled scripting language... however, even if they were correct--one would only need to ask the question, "Why?" As, with "C" and "C++" it would only be a reduplication of effort! If the intent is to rename "C++" to "Java"--well, as time passes it just might take... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . Yep, Applets gave Java a head start. But now I don't think applets are being used very much. Full blown applications (like Star Office and 'Open Office.org) is the typical Java program now. Now everyone is trying to get their programs web-enabled. Yep - I'm a programmer. and a student - and a teacher The more I learn, the more I learn that there's more to learn. My ignorance becomes more obvious to me as I learn. The push now is to make legacy apps web-accessable - or to replace legacy code with web apps. Java servlets and Java Server Pages (As opposed to Applets) seems to be the wave of the future. I don't have a favorite language until I see the environment and requirements. But I do have 'least favorites' (C# and dot-net in general) your description of scriptkiddies causing you to 'dump java' is a shame But It still sounds like you're getting JavaScript confused with Java. Since you program in c, it makes sense that you don't like OO. Object-Oriented programming is quite a departure from the procedural world of c. Its a different programming philosophy. And to top it off - they're coming with a new one called "Aspect-Oriented Programming". We'll see if it stands to test of time. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: Java is buried in a lot of webpages... when it first got big use... I kinda liked all the flashy visual stuff it could do... ... then it started bogging down net speed, then the scriptkiddies started finding evil ways to hijack your browser and "trick" you into clicking on buttons which put bad code on your machine with Java--I dumped Java then--now I have run XP w/SP2 with SUN Java enabled and not been bothered with the malicious code--but once burned--twice warned--and I turn Java off most of the time... some forms demand it... I am not against scripting languages, and perl is one of the first I learned--but since I write in C, Java is no problem--but I don't like the OOP part, it forces a lot of predefined functions/procedures and methods on you... luckily, we don't do any Java at the shop--it is too slow for our implementations of encryption/decryption... sometimes assembly is barely able to manage the tasks in real time... and that is important with voice/video communications... Are you a programmer Hal? And if so, what is your language(s) of choice? And, are you a hobby programmer or have to try to get enough money to eat from your efforts (like me grin) ? My most fulfilling use of code is for personal use... I'd really quit my job if I didn't need the booze, cigs and loose women (well, something like that grin) Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java, and Python. (All 3 are object-oriented) Special permission was needed for other languages I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of development. Large projects - with many developers of varying degrees of competence - are easier to manage using OO design. If someone gives a coder a job like: "write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args and return a abc class..." he can go right to work. -and - someone else can be coding a different method for the same class. regardless of the language when you code you'll find some patterns we all use over and over the difference is syntax |
first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know enough
to run scripts that they download from hacker sites. second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting' language. it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java with javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be mentioned in the same sentence with java. finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java, they are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge c++ and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how well it works is still being worked out i think. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: .... well, scriptkiddies may be offensive to some, perhaps "scripters" would be a better choice to describe this group of coders... .... I often hear Java discussed as if it were a language, instead of a compiled scripting language... however, even if they were correct--one would only need to ask the question, "Why?" As, with "C" and "C++" it would only be a reduplication of effort! If the intent is to rename "C++" to "Java"--well, as time passes it just might take... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . Yep, Applets gave Java a head start. But now I don't think applets are being used very much. Full blown applications (like Star Office and 'Open Office.org) is the typical Java program now. Now everyone is trying to get their programs web-enabled. Yep - I'm a programmer. and a student - and a teacher The more I learn, the more I learn that there's more to learn. My ignorance becomes more obvious to me as I learn. The push now is to make legacy apps web-accessable - or to replace legacy code with web apps. Java servlets and Java Server Pages (As opposed to Applets) seems to be the wave of the future. I don't have a favorite language until I see the environment and requirements. But I do have 'least favorites' (C# and dot-net in general) your description of scriptkiddies causing you to 'dump java' is a shame But It still sounds like you're getting JavaScript confused with Java. Since you program in c, it makes sense that you don't like OO. Object-Oriented programming is quite a departure from the procedural world of c. Its a different programming philosophy. And to top it off - they're coming with a new one called "Aspect-Oriented Programming". We'll see if it stands to test of time. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: Java is buried in a lot of webpages... when it first got big use... I kinda liked all the flashy visual stuff it could do... ... then it started bogging down net speed, then the scriptkiddies started finding evil ways to hijack your browser and "trick" you into clicking on buttons which put bad code on your machine with Java--I dumped Java then--now I have run XP w/SP2 with SUN Java enabled and not been bothered with the malicious code--but once burned--twice warned--and I turn Java off most of the time... some forms demand it... I am not against scripting languages, and perl is one of the first I learned--but since I write in C, Java is no problem--but I don't like the OOP part, it forces a lot of predefined functions/procedures and methods on you... luckily, we don't do any Java at the shop--it is too slow for our implementations of encryption/decryption... sometimes assembly is barely able to manage the tasks in real time... and that is important with voice/video communications... Are you a programmer Hal? And if so, what is your language(s) of choice? And, are you a hobby programmer or have to try to get enough money to eat from your efforts (like me grin) ? My most fulfilling use of code is for personal use... I'd really quit my job if I didn't need the booze, cigs and loose women (well, something like that grin) Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java, and Python. (All 3 are object-oriented) Special permission was needed for other languages I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of development. Large projects - with many developers of varying degrees of competence - are easier to manage using OO design. If someone gives a coder a job like: "write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args and return a abc class..." he can go right to work. -and - someone else can be coding a different method for the same class. regardless of the language when you code you'll find some patterns we all use over and over the difference is syntax |
an applet is not like a dll. a dll is not meant to be a complete program.
it is a library that provides function for some other program to use. an applet is a full executable that can be run by the jvm. "John Smith" wrote in message ... You mentioned "Java applet" for instance... its' counter part in the "real world" is a dynamic .dll, binary code called and executed as needed... it really makes no sense in renaming a dll to "applet." Why this "floats" and is claimed to be "revolutionary" is beyond my understanding--I chuck all such things into the "obfuscation bucket." And, think the ones doing this have just run out of fresh ideas so are reduced to BS to try to cut out a position for themselves... Cynical is my middle name, I forgot to tell ya that, "John Cynical Smith." grin Warmest regards, John "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: ... well, scriptkiddies may be offensive to some, perhaps "scripters" would be a better choice to describe this group of coders... ... I often hear Java discussed as if it were a language, instead of a compiled scripting language... however, even if they were correct--one would only need to ask the question, "Why?" As, with "C" and "C++" it would only be a reduplication of effort! If the intent is to rename "C++" to "Java"--well, as time passes it just might take... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . Yep, Applets gave Java a head start. But now I don't think applets are being used very much. Full blown applications (like Star Office and 'Open Office.org) is the typical Java program now. Now everyone is trying to get their programs web-enabled. Yep - I'm a programmer. and a student - and a teacher The more I learn, the more I learn that there's more to learn. My ignorance becomes more obvious to me as I learn. The push now is to make legacy apps web-accessable - or to replace legacy code with web apps. Java servlets and Java Server Pages (As opposed to Applets) seems to be the wave of the future. I don't have a favorite language until I see the environment and requirements. But I do have 'least favorites' (C# and dot-net in general) your description of scriptkiddies causing you to 'dump java' is a shame But It still sounds like you're getting JavaScript confused with Java. Since you program in c, it makes sense that you don't like OO. Object-Oriented programming is quite a departure from the procedural world of c. Its a different programming philosophy. And to top it off - they're coming with a new one called "Aspect-Oriented Programming". We'll see if it stands to test of time. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Hal: Java is buried in a lot of webpages... when it first got big use... I kinda liked all the flashy visual stuff it could do... ... then it started bogging down net speed, then the scriptkiddies started finding evil ways to hijack your browser and "trick" you into clicking on buttons which put bad code on your machine with Java--I dumped Java then--now I have run XP w/SP2 with SUN Java enabled and not been bothered with the malicious code--but once burned--twice warned--and I turn Java off most of the time... some forms demand it... I am not against scripting languages, and perl is one of the first I learned--but since I write in C, Java is no problem--but I don't like the OOP part, it forces a lot of predefined functions/procedures and methods on you... luckily, we don't do any Java at the shop--it is too slow for our implementations of encryption/decryption... sometimes assembly is barely able to manage the tasks in real time... and that is important with voice/video communications... Are you a programmer Hal? And if so, what is your language(s) of choice? And, are you a hobby programmer or have to try to get enough money to eat from your efforts (like me grin) ? My most fulfilling use of code is for personal use... I'd really quit my job if I didn't need the booze, cigs and loose women (well, something like that grin) Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message . .. Saw an article where Google uses 3 languages routinely: C++, Java, and Python. (All 3 are object-oriented) Special permission was needed for other languages I think one reason for the OO movement revolves around the cost of development. Large projects - with many developers of varying degrees of competence - are easier to manage using OO design. If someone gives a coder a job like: "write an instance method for xyz class which will take 2 int args and return a abc class..." he can go right to work. -and - someone else can be coding a different method for the same class. regardless of the language when you code you'll find some patterns we all use over and over the difference is syntax |
AH - a fresh perspective. You tell him, Dave!
Java has a good reputation as a development language. JavaScript is completely different. VB dot-net (like you said) is beginning to look a lot like Java.- I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that). Dot-net will unfortunately catch on - because it is M$. "Dave" wrote in message ... first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know enough to run scripts that they download from hacker sites. second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting' language. it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java with javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be mentioned in the same sentence with java. finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java, they are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge c++ and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how well it works is still being worked out i think. |
Here is quickstart page for getting an overview about dot net--another scripting languge which uses c type syntax...
http://www.codeproject.com/dotnet/DotNetScript.asp You know, you can write webpages in "C", as long as your page supplier provides support for C executibles... run a hundred times faster or more though... script is good on free webpages though--they usually will not trust you with c executables running on their free machines--for that--you have to pay... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . AH - a fresh perspective. You tell him, Dave! Java has a good reputation as a development language. JavaScript is completely different. VB dot-net (like you said) is beginning to look a lot like Java.- I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that). Dot-net will unfortunately catch on - because it is M$. "Dave" wrote in message ... first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know enough to run scripts that they download from hacker sites. second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting' language. it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java with javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be mentioned in the same sentence with java. finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java, they are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge c++ and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how well it works is still being worked out i think. |
watch out! "dot net" is a microsoft technology that includes a whole bunch
of things that use the "dot net" framework as their backbone. this includes visual studio dot net, which has c# and vb.net, a new version of office, and a bunch of business stuff. the link you reference is a scripting language that runs in the dot net framework, it is not "dot net" itself, nor is it a microsft product. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Here is quickstart page for getting an overview about dot net--another scripting languge which uses c type syntax... http://www.codeproject.com/dotnet/DotNetScript.asp You know, you can write webpages in "C", as long as your page supplier provides support for C executibles... run a hundred times faster or more though... script is good on free webpages though--they usually will not trust you with c executables running on their free machines--for that--you have to pay... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . AH - a fresh perspective. You tell him, Dave! Java has a good reputation as a development language. JavaScript is completely different. VB dot-net (like you said) is beginning to look a lot like Java.- I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that). Dot-net will unfortunately catch on - because it is M$. "Dave" wrote in message ... first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know enough to run scripts that they download from hacker sites. second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting' language. it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java with javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be mentioned in the same sentence with java. finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java, they are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge c++ and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how well it works is still being worked out i think. |
Why would anyone use microsoft stuff... haven't we learned about them from the past? grin
Warmest regards, John "Dave" wrote in message ... watch out! "dot net" is a microsoft technology that includes a whole bunch of things that use the "dot net" framework as their backbone. this includes visual studio dot net, which has c# and vb.net, a new version of office, and a bunch of business stuff. the link you reference is a scripting language that runs in the dot net framework, it is not "dot net" itself, nor is it a microsft product. "John Smith" wrote in message ... Here is quickstart page for getting an overview about dot net--another scripting languge which uses c type syntax... http://www.codeproject.com/dotnet/DotNetScript.asp You know, you can write webpages in "C", as long as your page supplier provides support for C executibles... run a hundred times faster or more though... script is good on free webpages though--they usually will not trust you with c executables running on their free machines--for that--you have to pay... Warmest regards, John "Hal Rosser" wrote in message .. . AH - a fresh perspective. You tell him, Dave! Java has a good reputation as a development language. JavaScript is completely different. VB dot-net (like you said) is beginning to look a lot like Java.- I'm glad I'm not the only one that noticed that). Dot-net will unfortunately catch on - because it is M$. "Dave" wrote in message ... first, scriptkiddies are not 'coders', they are idiots who only know enough to run scripts that they download from hacker sites. second, java is a language and it is definately not a 'scripting' language. it is a full featured high level language. you might be confusing java with javascript. javascript is completely different and should never be mentioned in the same sentence with java. finally, there is no one that works in c++ who wants to rename it java, they are very different things. however, c# is microsofts attempt to merge c++ and java, likewise vb.net is their attempt at merging vb and java. how well it works is still being worked out i think. |
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