"Dan Richardson arrl net" k6mheatdot wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:24:20 GMT, "Old Ed"
wrote:

Hi Dan,

My, you are a bit on the arrogant and foul-mouthed side, aren't you!

Foul-mouthed?

My working definition includes name calling. But I would like
to see us all get along in a positive way, so no grudges here.

It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to pick
it out.

The similarity in appearence requires a very exacting inspection.

This is best carried out by the same people who would worry about the last
..01 dB of gain, removing the last milliwatt of coax radiation, and other
esoteric stuff that means as much as the fly crap.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:36:14 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:

Many here enjoy picking fly crap out of pepper, that is their enjoyment
of
ham radio.

Hi Fred,

I've seen you use this platitude more than once. As much truth as it
may offer, it necessarily presumes there is someone energetically
putting fly crap into the pepper.

I won't tarry to imagine how that is done, however.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 15:36:05 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:
It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to pick
it out.

OK Fred,

I said I didn't want to dwell on how they enriched the pepper in the
first place, sooo....

Did you hear about the architect with constipation?
He worked it out with a ruler.

Did you hear about the scientist with constipation?
He worked it out with a slide rule.

Did you hear about the engineer with constipation?
He worked it out with a calculator.

Did you hear about the draftsman with constipation?
He worked it out with a compass.

Dare me again.

Fred W4JLE wrote:
It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to pick
it out.

The similarity in appearence requires a very exacting inspection.

This is best carried out by the same people who would worry about the last
.01 dB of gain, removing the last milliwatt of coax radiation, and other
esoteric stuff that means as much as the fly crap.

The ironic thing is that it often requires some knowledge to be able to
tell which effects are fly crap and which are important. I sometimes get
the impression that people who offhandedly dismiss certain effects as
fly crap don't really have the knowledge to judge. Thinking that the
discussion we've been having involves 0.01 dB of gain and milliwatts of
coax radiation indicates a lack of understanding of the possible
magnitudes of the effects we're talking about.

"Fly crap" is also a very relative thing. Most people are perfectly able
to decide what's adequate for their purposes. A person who's 20 over 9
talking to his good buddies, and that's his sole goal, could care less
if his antenna is 10% efficient or radiating mostly straight up. To him,
efficiency and radiation angle are fly crap, and appropriately so.

That doesn't mean it's fly crap to everybody else.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

Thinking that the
discussion we've been having involves 0.01 dB of gain and milliwatts
of
coax radiation indicates a lack of understanding of the possible
magnitudes of the effects we're talking about.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL
================================

Roy, quite correct. You've been reading Lord Kelvin again.
----
Reg.

Ooooh! Did I stumble upon a sore nerve Roy? No one in particular was
referenced and all names were changed to protect the innocent.

If you feel my example covered, or in anyway was directed towards any of
your past or current waltzing on the pin, it is you who fail to understand
my previous post.

I was simply pointing out that it is sometimes better to simply put up an
antenna, make contacts, and enjoy the fellowship of other amateurs.

The rec.radio.amateur.antenna version of "All My Children" (An American
daytime soap opera, by way of explaination, for our British friend Reg)
provides endless entertainment, with the occasional bit of useful
information. If some may find my observation untoward, mores the pity!


"Roy Lewallen" wrote in message
...
Fred W4JLE wrote:
It is always present Richard, but only the most anal take the time to
pick
it out.

The similarity in appearence requires a very exacting inspection.

This is best carried out by the same people who would worry about the
last
.01 dB of gain, removing the last milliwatt of coax radiation, and other
esoteric stuff that means as much as the fly crap.

The ironic thing is that it often requires some knowledge to be able to
tell which effects are fly crap and which are important. I sometimes get
the impression that people who offhandedly dismiss certain effects as
fly crap don't really have the knowledge to judge. Thinking that the
discussion we've been having involves 0.01 dB of gain and milliwatts of
coax radiation indicates a lack of understanding of the possible
magnitudes of the effects we're talking about.

"Fly crap" is also a very relative thing. Most people are perfectly able
to decide what's adequate for their purposes. A person who's 20 over 9
talking to his good buddies, and that's his sole goal, could care less
if his antenna is 10% efficient or radiating mostly straight up. To him,
efficiency and radiation angle are fly crap, and appropriately so.

That doesn't mean it's fly crap to everybody else.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL

"Fred W4JLE" wrote
The rec.radio.amateur.antenna version of "All My Children" (An
American
daytime soap opera, by way of explaination, for our British friend
Reg)
provides endless entertainment, with the occasional bit of useful
information. If some may find my observation untoward, mores the
pity!

=================================

Yes. Education always sticks better if mixed with entertainment.
Recipients don't realise they've got the message.

BBC political propaganda works that way and so maintains its
reputation.
----
Reg.

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:36:14 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote:
Hi Fred,

I've seen you use this platitude more than once. As much truth as it
may offer, it necessarily presumes there is someone energetically
putting fly crap into the pepper.

I won't tarry to imagine how that is done, however.

I believe we can assume that the flies are taking care of that.(G)

Harold
KD5SAK

On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:28:05 -0500, "Harold Burton"
wrote:
I believe we can assume that the flies are taking care of that.(G)

Hi Harold,

Then it takes a breed of fly-herder to round them up, and -um- milk
them, so to speak. Otherwise this thread would have long ago died
without that fertilizing contribution.

There must be a market for a high priced, exotic specie of pepper
being sold - what a difference labeling can make. I remember one of
my sales buddies pointing out how Jack-in-the-box could have emerged
faster from their health fiasco a dozen years back:
"We cook the **** out of our burgers."

It seems I've seen a similar appeal being made here.

The industry (the people who serve only to sell you what "you want")
must think we don't have enough feces in our diet. They've asked the
government for approval to Nuke food to kill germs. The upshot is
they would keep things less clean and you might have to pick your
teeth more.

These things are just little things. Industry would make similar
arguments of scale. Think about it the next time a bite into a burger
hits bone.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Richard:

Anyone got a "pepper substitute", I seem to have lost my taste for the
stuff... frown

Regards,
John

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
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On Sat, 18 Jun 2005 06:28:05 -0500, "Harold Burton"
wrote:
I believe we can assume that the flies are taking care of that.(G)

Hi Harold,

Then it takes a breed of fly-herder to round them up, and -um- milk
them, so to speak. Otherwise this thread would have long ago died
without that fertilizing contribution.

There must be a market for a high priced, exotic specie of pepper
being sold - what a difference labeling can make. I remember one of
my sales buddies pointing out how Jack-in-the-box could have emerged
faster from their health fiasco a dozen years back:
"We cook the **** out of our burgers."

It seems I've seen a similar appeal being made here.

The industry (the people who serve only to sell you what "you want")
must think we don't have enough feces in our diet. They've asked the
government for approval to Nuke food to kill germs. The upshot is
they would keep things less clean and you might have to pick your
teeth more.

These things are just little things. Industry would make similar
arguments of scale. Think about it the next time a bite into a burger
hits bone.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

On Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:18:26 +0000 (UTC), "Reg Edwards"
wrote:


Thinking that the
discussion we've been having involves 0.01 dB of gain and milliwatts
of
coax radiation indicates a lack of understanding of the possible
magnitudes of the effects we're talking about.

Roy Lewallen, W7EL
================================

Roy, quite correct. You've been reading Lord Kelvin again.
----
Reg.


Are you referring to his presentation to the Royal Society on
his new tide-graphing machine? It's said he was criticized for using a
pencil as the recording device instad of the rcently-invented fountain
pen. He answered, "There is sufficient power available in the ocean to
drive a pencil."

Truly a man who understood the concpt of fly crap.

Old Ed wrote:

Hi Dan,

My, you are a bit on the arrogant and foul-mouthed side, aren't you!

It would be tedious to try and dissect your attributions of positions
that I did not take, so I'll skip that.

I'll just point out that as an E.E. with three degrees from a top-5
engineering school, and a lifelong specialization in RF engineering,
I don't need any patronizing lectures from you. "Physician," heal
thyself... or at least try to understand the difference between
theoretical niceties and practical effects. Reading Dave's posts
might help. (He's much more patient with twits than I am, and
explains things well.)

BTW, I have nothing against coax "baluns," unless they become
physically awkward, or noticeably increase cable loss.

Just catching up on things a week or so after the post you made.

I suspect you have 3 EE degrees because you stated such, so you are
obviously worlds smarter than I am, especially if it's from a "top 5
school", but since when does a coax choke balun cause loss of anything
except feedline radiation, which you don't want anyway?

Tom
K0TAR