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Richard Clark June 20th 05 05:43 PM

On 20 Jun 2005 09:24:22 -0700, wrote:

Even if Zo=50+j2,

If? Still some doubt after a plunge of 12 orders of magnitude:
If Zo=50+j0.000000000001

Lower precision If's still yield the same logical contradiction to:
then it's close enough!


then the VSWR will still be very close to a 1:1 match.

The significant "if" is in your capacity to demonstrate
Even if Zo=50+j2,


You antenna boys don't build too many
power amplifiers, obviously.


Well, looking at the group title, it does not reveal rec.*.amplifiers,
does it? And you have no credentials to speak of, unless selling to
naifs, like selling dope to school children, falls into the same proof
of authority.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

Wes Stewart June 20th 05 06:40 PM

On 20 Jun 2005 09:24:22 -0700, wrote:

|
|
|Richard Clark wrote:
| On 20 Jun 2005 01:00:51 -0700,
wrote:
| If Zo=50+j0.000000000001,
| And it is not
| then it's close enough!
| hence it follows from this logic, it is not close enough.
|
|
| Even if Zo=50+j2, then the VSWR will
|still be very close to a 1:1 match.
|
| You antenna boys don't build too many
|power amplifiers, obviously.

And you know this how? And it matters why?

But in case it does, I've been building amps since I was a teenager.
Through the years, I built a number of hf and vhf amps for friends.

Here's one I built for myself.

http://www.qsl.net/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp.html

Its replacement with an 8877 is sitting beside me.


[email protected] June 21st 05 07:16 AM



Richard Clark wrote:
On 20 Jun 2005 09:24:22 -0700, wrote:

Even if Zo=50+j2,

If? Still some doubt after a plunge of 12 orders of magnitude:
If Zo=50+j0.000000000001

Lower precision If's still yield the same logical contradiction to:
then it's close enough!


then the VSWR will still be very close to a 1:1 match.

The significant "if" is in your capacity to demonstrate
Even if Zo=50+j2,


You antenna boys don't build too many
power amplifiers, obviously.


Well, looking at the group title, it does not reveal rec.*.amplifiers,
does it? And you have no credentials to speak of, unless selling to
naifs, like selling dope to school children, falls into the same proof
of authority.


Oh wait a minute, you're one
of the ham radio guys, right?

That certainly explains a lot!


S.


Richard Clark June 21st 05 08:09 AM

On 20 Jun 2005 23:16:05 -0700, wrote:

Oh wait a minute, you're one
of the ham radio guys, right?


Flash of insight, that.

That certainly explains a lot!


Must've been a brutal education. Think of the learning grade to climb
Ohm's law.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC

[email protected] June 21st 05 03:44 PM



Richard Clark wrote:
On 20 Jun 2005 23:16:05 -0700, wrote:

Oh wait a minute, you're one
of the ham radio guys, right?


Flash of insight, that.


Yeah...I guess those funny
little numbers and letters you have
by your name might have something to
do with it...hmmmmm....



That certainly explains a lot!


Must've been a brutal education. Think of the learning grade to climb
Ohm's law.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC



Speaking of "grade", you write
like you're in the 2nd or 3rd.


S.


Richard Harrison June 21st 05 05:02 PM

Ian White, GM3SEK wrote:
"It had been correct, when they incorrectly revised it (the conjugate
reference), now it has been corrected again."

Hope they got it right this time.

My dictionary says: "conjugate - Either of a pair of complex numbers
that are mutually related in that their real parts are identical and the
imaginary part of one is the negative of the imaginary part of the
other.

We find maximum power transfer requires equal resistances in source and
load. Also reactance, if any, be tuned out of the circuit. This is a
conjugate match, such that source and load are conjugates by the
dictionary definition.

Many texts go into detail. I like the story of conjugates given in
"Transmission Lines, Antennas, and Wave Guides", If it were at hand, I
would quote from it. Found it. See page 43. The authors are King, Mimno,
and Wing.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


Walter Maxwell June 21st 05 10:21 PM


"Wes Stewart" *n7ws*@ yahoo.com wrote in message
...
On 20 Jun 2005 09:24:22 -0700, wrote:

|
|
|Richard Clark wrote:
| On 20 Jun 2005 01:00:51 -0700,
wrote:
| If Zo=50+j0.000000000001,
| And it is not
| then it's close enough!
| hence it follows from this logic, it is not close enough.
|
|
| Even if Zo=50+j2, then the VSWR will
|still be very close to a 1:1 match.
|
| You antenna boys don't build too many
|power amplifiers, obviously.

And you know this how? And it matters why?

But in case it does, I've been building amps since I was a teenager.
Through the years, I built a number of hf and vhf amps for friends.

Here's one I built for myself.

http://www.qsl.net/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp.html

Its replacement with an 8877 is sitting beside me.


That's a beautiful amp, Wes. I'm curious--how did it handle Slick's
1.040807999:1 swr, from his 50+j2 load impedance?

Walt, W2DU



[email protected] June 22nd 05 12:46 AM



Walter Maxwell wrote:
"Wes Stewart" *n7ws*@ yahoo.com wrote in message
...
On 20 Jun 2005 09:24:22 -0700, wrote:

|
|
|Richard Clark wrote:
| On 20 Jun 2005 01:00:51 -0700,
wrote:
| If Zo=50+j0.000000000001,
| And it is not
| then it's close enough!
| hence it follows from this logic, it is not close enough.
|
|
| Even if Zo=50+j2, then the VSWR will
|still be very close to a 1:1 match.
|
| You antenna boys don't build too many
|power amplifiers, obviously.

And you know this how? And it matters why?

But in case it does, I've been building amps since I was a teenager.
Through the years, I built a number of hf and vhf amps for friends.

Here's one I built for myself.

http://www.qsl.net/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp.html

Its replacement with an 8877 is sitting beside me.


That's a beautiful amp, Wes. I'm curious--how did it handle Slick's
1.040807999:1 swr, from his 50+j2 load impedance?


Looks aren't everything.

It couldn't handle even a 1.04:1 and
just blew out!

Now it's being used as a doorstop...


S.


Wes Stewart June 22nd 05 01:42 AM

On 21 Jun 2005 16:46:07 -0700, wrote:



Walter Maxwell wrote:
"Wes Stewart" *n7ws*@ yahoo.com wrote in message
...
On 20 Jun 2005 09:24:22 -0700,
wrote:

|
|
|Richard Clark wrote:
| On 20 Jun 2005 01:00:51 -0700,
wrote:
| If Zo=50+j0.000000000001,
| And it is not
| then it's close enough!
| hence it follows from this logic, it is not close enough.
|
|
| Even if Zo=50+j2, then the VSWR will
|still be very close to a 1:1 match.
|
| You antenna boys don't build too many
|power amplifiers, obviously.

And you know this how? And it matters why?

But in case it does, I've been building amps since I was a teenager.
Through the years, I built a number of hf and vhf amps for friends.

Here's one I built for myself.

http://www.qsl.net/n7ws/K7CVT_Amp.html

Its replacement with an 8877 is sitting beside me.


That's a beautiful amp, Wes. I'm curious--how did it handle Slick's
1.040807999:1 swr, from his 50+j2 load impedance?


Looks aren't everything.

It couldn't handle even a 1.04:1 and
just blew out!

Now it's being used as a doorstop...



It operated a lot better than "Dr." (not so) Slick does.

He makes a comment that no one here builds amps. I present evidence
to the contrary and this is the best he can do.

What a loser.

I worked about 30 states on two-meters from the depths of AZ using
that amp. The present amp has participated in working all continents
(WAC) on two-meters.

Roy Lewallen June 22nd 05 03:21 AM

Wes Stewart wrote:

It operated a lot better than "Dr." (not so) Slick does.

He makes a comment that no one here builds amps. I present evidence
to the contrary and this is the best he can do.

What a loser.

I worked about 30 states on two-meters from the depths of AZ using
that amp. The present amp has participated in working all continents
(WAC) on two-meters.


I think Garvin Yee ("Dr. Slick") has WALG (Worked All Los Gatos) and
maybe even WAB (Worked All Berkeley). Does that count?

Roy Lewallen, W7EL


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