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Brown, Lewis & Epstein
There has been considerable discussion on the antenna news group
regarding ground systems for monopole antennas. Invariably, a reference is made to a study prepared by Brown, Lewis, and Epstien that was published in the proceedings of the IRE in 1937. Unfortunately, many amateurs do not live near a major library or university where they would be able to obtain a copy of this paper. Therefore, I have placed on my web site a scanned copy of "Ground Systems As A Factor In Antenna Efficiency" by G.H. Brown, R.F. Lewis and J. Epstein which was publish by Institute of Radio Engineers in June 1937. This scanned copy is identical in format as a copy I obtained from the library. Be advised that you need Adobe Reader for viewing. Additionally, this is a rather large file (about 3MB). You may view this document at: http://users.adelphia.net/~k6mhe/BLE.html 73, Danny, K6MHE |
Thank you Sir!
"Dan Richardson arrl net" k6mheatdot wrote in message ... There has been considerable discussion on the antenna news group regarding ground systems for monopole antennas. |
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you.
Charlie |
Dan:
I cannot thank you enough for taking the time to scan and post this article. It is almost impossible to find articles that old that are still legible. This is an example of the spirit of HAM radio. Have a great 4th of July holiday. 73, Lew |
(I have tried unsuccessfully to make the tabular data in the msg below come out
correctly. I apologize for that and hope you can interpret the data successfully. Walt,W2DU) Thanks to Richard Harrison, he has supplied us with the renowned Brown, Lewis and Epstein paper, reporting the voluminous and enlightening experimental data concerning the length and number of ground radials required in approaching the condition of perfect ground underneath a vertical radiator. This paper has long been well known and highly respected in the communications engineering community, and since 1938 has become the standard for engineering the radial systems for AM BC stations Worldwide. The FCC requirement for radials in US BC stations is based on data in the BLE paper. The tragedy here is that BLE paper has gone practically unknown in the amateur community, as witnessed by so many continual questions and incorrect answers concerning the length and number of radials required to achieve the desired performance of our vertical radiators. So let me present a short, but definitive abstract of the pertinent numbers taken from the paper, that answer some of the pertinent questions correctly. As a reference on which to base the radiated field strength, the industry standard has traditionally used millivolts per meter to describe field strength. Specifically, the field strength of 194.5 millivolts per meter at one mile, radiated from a quarter-wavelength radiator over perfect ground with 1000 watts input, is the industry standard. In other words, this field strength is the maximum attainable under ideal conditions. The data below, obtained directly from measurements made at 3 MHz by Brown, Lewis and Epstein in 1937, provide definitive answers to those who ask how many radials of what length are necessary to provide a suitable ground plane. When comparing the fields strengths below, remember that 194.5 mv/meter is the field strength obtained with perfect lossless ground. Number of Field Strength Loss in dB Relative Radials in mv/meter to Perfect Ground Length Length 0.4 wl 1/4 wl 1/8 wl 0.4 wl 1/4 wl 1/8 wl 113 192 180 152 0.112 0.673 2.14 60 185 176 150 0.435 0.868 2.26 30 174 162 150 0.967 1.59 2.26 15 158 153 1.81 2.08 2 126 120 118 3.77 4.19 4.39 When reviewing these data, please keep in mind that as the field strength approaches 194.5 mv/meter the effective ground is approaching perfect ground, which means that the conductivity of the ground in which the radials are planted is irrelevant, only the ground external to the radial system is relevant with respect to conductivity. It should also be kept in mind that the energy in the EM fields surrounding the vertical radiator diminishes with distance from the radiator. Thus the displacement currents entering the ground diminish proportionately with distance. Consequently, there is a distance from the radiator after which the currents become too small to be significant to the conservation of power radiated. This fact determines the maximum length of the radials necessary to reach the point where the law of diminishing returns prevails. The measurements reported in the BLE paper show this distance to be between 0.4 and 0.5 wavelengths. As noted above, this distance is relative to the amount of energy in the displacement currents at this distance from the radiator, and is in no way relevant to any resonant length of the radial. It is well known that radials buried in the ground lose all sense of resonance. Walt, W2DU |
Man, O, Man, do I have some apologizing to do to Danny Richardson, K6JHE. Danny
is the one who supplied the data on the Brown, Lewis and Epstein paper, not Richard Harrison. I'm sorry, Danny, it was a senior moment at age 86 that's responsible. Walt, W2DU |
Walt, while this would be wonderful information if I were broadcasting
during the day on 75 meters, how is it applicable to those of us who don't care about groundwave? "Walter Maxwell" wrote in message ... (I have tried unsuccessfully to make the tabular data in the msg below come out |
"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message ... Walt, while this would be wonderful information if I were broadcasting during the day on 75 meters, how is it applicable to those of us who don't care about groundwave? Well, Fred, it's because it has everything to do with how much of your xmtr power is heating the ground vs how much is being radiated at whatever frequency you're using. We're not even talking about ground wave, it's how much power is radiated, period. Walt |
"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message ... Walt, while this would be wonderful information if I were broadcasting during the day on 75 meters, how is it applicable to those of us who don't care about groundwave? Well, Fred, it's because it has everything to do with how much of your xmtr power is heating the ground vs how much is being radiated at whatever frequency you're using. We're not even talking about ground wave, it's how much power is radiated, period. Walt |
"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message ... Walt, while this would be wonderful information if I were broadcasting during the day on 75 meters, how is it applicable to those of us who don't care about groundwave? Well, Fred, it's because it has everything to do with how much of your xmtr power is heating the ground vs how much is being radiated at whatever frequency you're using. We're not even talking about ground wave, it's how much power is radiated, period. Walt |
"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message ... Walt, while this would be wonderful information if I were broadcasting during the day on 75 meters, how is it applicable to those of us who don't care about groundwave? Well, Fred, it's because it has everything to do with how much of your xmtr power is heating the ground vs how much is being radiated at whatever frequency you're using. We're not even talking about ground wave, it's how much power is radiated, period. Walt |
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 16:57:19 -0400, "Walter Maxwell"
wrote: Man, O, Man, do I have some apologizing to do to Danny Richardson, K6JHE. Danny is the one who supplied the data on the Brown, Lewis and Epstein paper, not Richard Harrison. I'm sorry, Danny, it was a senior moment at age 86 that's responsible. Walt, W2DU Not a problem Walt. Now had I never made any errors............ G Very 73 my friend, Danny, K6MHE |
On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:12:44 -0400, "Fred W4JLE"
wrote: Walt, while this would be wonderful information if I were broadcasting during the day on 75 meters, how is it applicable to those of us who don't care about groundwave? I think you may have miss the point Fred... Its about antenna efficiency. Danny, K6MHE |
"Walter Maxwell" wrote in message ... Man, O, Man, do I have some apologizing to do to Danny Richardson, K6JHE. Danny is the one who supplied the data on the Brown, Lewis and Epstein paper, not Richard Harrison. I'm sorry, Danny, it was a senior moment at age 86 that's responsible. Walt, W2DU Dang, I can't seem to get anything right today. Can't even spell Danny's call sign correctly. Repeat after me, it's K6MHE, it's K6MHE, it's K6MHE. Walt, W2DU |
Sorry about the multiple postings above. My moronic computer told me each time
that the msg could not be sent, so I kept trying. Walt, W2DU |
Maybe this will help clarify it. . .
As Walt and Danny said, this is all about efficiency -- the fraction of your applied power that gets used heating the ground. So the ground wave and sky wave are reduced by the same fraction. Just look at those dB values in the right hand column of Walt's summary, and they'll apply to 75 meter sky wave as well as to ground wave. They won't be exact, of course, since they depend on both ground characteristics (to quite a fair depth) and frequency. But they're as good a set of working values as you'll find. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Dan Richardson k6mheatarrl wrote: On Fri, 1 Jul 2005 17:12:44 -0400, "Fred W4JLE" wrote: Walt, while this would be wonderful information if I were broadcasting during the day on 75 meters, how is it applicable to those of us who don't care about groundwave? I think you may have miss the point Fred... Its about antenna efficiency. Danny, K6MHE |
"Walter Maxwell" wrote:
When reviewing these data, please keep in mind that as the field strength approaches 194.5 mv/meter the effective ground is approaching perfect ground, which means that the conductivity of the ground in which the radials are planted is irrelevant, only the ground external to the radial system is relevant with respect to conductivity. BL&E measured the groundwave field strength generated by a 200 milliwatt carrier 0.3 miles from a vertical radiator. This value was converted to equivalent field for 1 kW of radiated power at a distance of 1 mile. With this technique, and with 113 each 0.412-wave radials, they found that their measured/converted field was less than 0.1124 dB below the theoretical value for it over a perfect ground plane. These results demonstrate that the consideration of ground conductivity during this study over this short path was unnecessary (REG, please note). It should also be kept in mind that the energy in the EM fields surrounding the vertical radiator diminishes with distance from the radiator. Thus the displacement currents entering the ground diminish proportionately with distance. Consequently, there is a distance from the radiator after which the currents become too small to be significant to the conservation of power radiated. This fact determines the maximum length of the radials necessary to reach the point where the law of diminishing returns prevails. The measurements reported in the BLE paper show this distance to be between 0.4 and 0.5 wavelengths. And that was for 113 radials. If only a few radials are used, BL&E report that it is pointless to extend them that far. RF |
"Richard Fry" wrote in message ... "Walter Maxwell" wrote: When reviewing these data, please keep in mind that as the field strength approaches 194.5 mv/meter the effective ground is approaching perfect ground, which means that the conductivity of the ground in which the radials are planted is irrelevant, only the ground external to the radial system is relevant with respect to conductivity. BL&E measured the groundwave field strength generated by a 200 milliwatt carrier 0.3 miles from a vertical radiator. This value was converted to equivalent field for 1 kW of radiated power at a distance of 1 mile. With this technique, and with 113 each 0.412-wave radials, they found that their measured/converted field was less than 0.1124 dB below the theoretical value for it over a perfect ground plane. These results demonstrate that the consideration of ground conductivity during this study over this short path was unnecessary (REG, please note). It should also be kept in mind that the energy in the EM fields surrounding the vertical radiator diminishes with distance from the radiator. Thus the displacement currents entering the ground diminish proportionately with distance. Consequently, there is a distance from the radiator after which the currents become too small to be significant to the conservation of power radiated. This fact determines the maximum length of the radials necessary to reach the point where the law of diminishing returns prevails. The measurements reported in the BLE paper show this distance to be between 0.4 and 0.5 wavelengths. And that was for 113 radials. If only a few radials are used, BL&E report that it is pointless to extend them that far. RF Correct on both counts, Richard, thanks for reminding Reg, I forgot to. Did I mention that I had the privilege of working at Brown's RCA antenna lab along side Epstein for several years? Bob Lewis had left RCA when I arrived, but I knew him later as a ham, W2EBS. Walt, W2DU |
So as I understand it, as I add more radials, my field strength should
increase regardless of the elevation angle. Assuming I make all measurements at the same point. "Walter Maxwell" wrote in message ... "Fred W4JLE" wrote in message ... Walt, while this would be wonderful information if I were broadcasting during the day on 75 meters, how is it applicable to those of us who don't care about groundwave? Well, Fred, it's because it has everything to do with how much of your xmtr power is heating the ground vs how much is being radiated at whatever frequency you're using. We're not even talking about ground wave, it's how much power is radiated, period. Walt |
"Walter Maxwell"
Correct on both counts, Richard, thanks for reminding Reg, I forgot to. Did I mention that I had the privilege of working at Brown's RCA antenna lab along side Epstein for several years? Bob Lewis had left RCA when I arrived, but I knew him later as a ham, W2EBS. _______________ That would have been a privilege. When with RCA I worked a bit with Matti Siukola, Oded Ben-Dov, Nick Nikolayuk and others at the RCA broadcast antenna design center and test range at Gibbsboro, NJ . Great facility in those days. RF |
"Fred W4JLE" wrote in message ... So as I understand it, as I add more radials, my field strength should increase regardless of the elevation angle. Assuming I make all measurements at the same point. "Walter Maxwell" wrote in message ... "Fred W4JLE" wrote in message ... Walt, while this would be wonderful information if I were broadcasting during the day on 75 meters, how is it applicable to those of us who don't care about groundwave? Well, Fred, it's because it has everything to do with how much of your xmtr power is heating the ground vs how much is being radiated at whatever frequency you're using. We're not even talking about ground wave, it's how much power is radiated, period. Walt Fred, the radials affect only the efficiency of the radiator--power lost in the ground resistance vs power radiated. The take off, or elevation angle is determined by the ground conductivity external to the radial system, the poorer the ground the less power will radiate at low elevation angles. In other words, the better the ground conductivity external to the radial system the lower the elevation angle of the maximum radiation. If the conductivity was perfect at an infinite distance away from the radiator the elevation angle of the maximum radiation lobe would be zero degrees. Walt, W2DU |
"Richard Fry" wrote in message ... "Walter Maxwell" Correct on both counts, Richard, thanks for reminding Reg, I forgot to. Did I mention that I had the privilege of working at Brown's RCA antenna lab along side Epstein for several years? Bob Lewis had left RCA when I arrived, but I knew him later as a ham, W2EBS. _______________ That would have been a privilege. When with RCA I worked a bit with Matti Siukola, Oded Ben-Dov, Nick Nikolayuk and others at the RCA broadcast antenna design center and test range at Gibbsboro, NJ . Great facility in those days. RF ______________ Very interesting, Richard, of all the years I've been on this NG you are the first RCA person I've met on the NG. What years were you with RCA? While at the RCA Princeton Labs I also worked with O.M. (Woody) Woodward, Bruce Rankin, and Don Peterson. Perhaps you knew them. I joined RCA in 1949, transferred to the antenna lab in 1957, and later originated the antenna lab at the then new Astro-Electronics Division in Hightstown. Was located there until I retired to DeLand, Florida in 1980. While at Princeton I developed the entire antenna system for TIROS 1, the World's first weather satellite. I never had the pleasure of meeting any of the guys at Gibbsboro, but the names of Matti and Oded came up quite often. I heard Woody and Jess Epstein talking with them on the phone quite frequently. I also spent some time at Cherry Hill as part of a three-man team developing the 3.6 GHz dish used on Lunar Rover, the moon buggy. I performed all the final impedance and antenna pattern measurements on the three dishes prior to delivery to NASA. Perhaps we can meet some day and discuss our experiences at RCA. I consider myself fortunate to have been there during the early days of space exploration, they were truly exciting days. Walt, W2DU |
Walter Maxwell wrote:
Very interesting, Richard, of all the years I've been on this NG you are the first RCA person I've met on the NG. But Walt, I was once W6RCA. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"Walter Maxwell" wrote:
Very interesting, Richard, of all the years I've been on this NG you are the first RCA person I've met on the NG. What years were you with RCA? 1965-1980. My position certainly was not as exalted as that of Epstein/Lewis/Siukola/Maxwell/et al, but I was fortunate enough to work with Siukola and Ben-Dov of Gibbsboro in developing and proving RCA's RF Pulse test equipment system used to evaluate and optimize broadcast TV antenna systems. This test system may be thought of as a "narrow-band TDR," in that it duplicates the spectrum of the standard TV signal, rather than using a bandwidth of maybe 100X that of the TV channel. Excess test bandwidth gives high pulse returns outside the TV channel -- which are valid, but unimportant to the performance of the antenna system. RF |
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Walter Maxwell wrote: Very interesting, Richard, of all the years I've been on this NG you are the first RCA person I've met on the NG. But Walt, I was once W6RCA. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp 'ya know, Cecil, yer right, how could I have overlooked you. In fact, I've always wondered why you gave up that illustrious call sign. Walt, W2DU |
Since the name of Dr. George H. Brown, of Brown, Lewis and Epstein is not well
known in the amateur community, I would like to acquaint you with some of his other accomplishments that are well known in the engineering community, especially in the AM-FM-TV broadcast community. His name deserves attention in the amateur community as well. In addition to his work that established the ground radial standards for AM broadcasting, he discovered the reason the early diamond-shaped tower radiators produced undesirable radiation characteristics, and proved experimentally that towers of uniform cross section solved the problem. As a result of his experimental proof, the FCC denied further use of the diamond shape tower, and has since required all AM BC antenna towers be of uniform cross section. He also developed sectionalized radiators for control of the elevation pattern. He invented the ground-plane antenna for VHF/UHF use. He found that two radials were sufficient, but marketing people convinced him that the antennas would sell better with four. With his famous 1937 paper, 'Directional Antennas' he established the basis for directional arrays used in thousands of AM broadcast stations. He worked closely with John Kraus in the early days, and showed Kraus the importance of close spacing of elements in an array to increase the gain over that obtained with quarter-wave spacing. The result was Kraus' close spaced beam known as the 'W8JK' beam. Kraus gave this credit to Brown in his book, "Antennas." He developed a method for RF heating, especially for the joining, or 'sewing' of plastic sheet material, a method that led to the development of microwave ovens. As lead engineer in RCA's color television lab at the RCA Laboratories in Princeton, he successfully led the development of the present system color system used in all US tv operations, the NTSC system that permitted black and white receivers to see color transmissions in black and white, overturning the original FCC acceptance of the CBS spinning wheel system that would not permit black and white receivers to receive color transmissions. George Brown retired as an Executive Vice President of RCA. These are just a few of his noteworthy accomplishments as an extraordinary engineer. Walt, W2DU |
On Sat, 2 Jul 2005 10:03:11 -0400, "Walter Maxwell"
wrote: These are just a few of his noteworthy accomplishments as an extraordinary engineer. Yes Walter, luckily I have a copy of his autobiography "and part of which I was" publish in the early 1980s. He surely had a full and fruitful life. Danny, K6MHE |
Walter Maxwell wrote:
'ya know, Cecil, yer right, how could I have overlooked you. In fact, I've always wondered why you gave up that illustrious call sign. A land of fruits and nuts call didn't fit very well in Texas, :-) just kidding. I was first licensed as WN5DXP in 1952 and just couldn't resist getting my old call back when I moved back to the same land as I lived on then, land homesteaded by my grandfather before the 20th century. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
On Thu, 30 Jun 2005 05:32:33 -0700, Dan Richardson
k6mheatarrldotnet wrote: Therefore, I have placed on my web site a scanned copy of "Ground Systems As A Factor In Antenna Efficiency" by G.H. Brown, R.F. Lewis and J. Epstein which was publish by Institute of Radio Engineers in June 1937. This scanned copy is identical in format as a copy I obtained from the library. I downloaded your PDF file and burned it to a disk. Very interesting paper -- I can even understand much of it (I ain't no engineer) -- Intrigued by the picture of the "plow" they used to lay miles and miles of radials -- wish I had one. bob k5qwg Be advised that you need Adobe Reader for viewing. Additionally, this is a rather large file (about 3MB). You may view this document at: http://users.adelphia.net/~k6mhe/BLE.html 73, Danny, K6MHE |
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