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Efficiency of Power Amplifiers
The latest QEX has an article by k9la: "The Impact of Load SWR
on the Efficiency of Power Amplifiers". The amplifier is designed to drive a 50 ohm load and simulated measurements were made for 8 reflection coefficients of 0.333 with phase angles in 45 degree increments. One thing I don't understand. When driving a 100 ohm load, the drain current is 33 amps and the efficiency is 62%. When driving a 25 ohm load, the drain current is 12 amps and the efficiency is 83%. The amp is a Class E/F design from Jan/Feb 2004 QEX. Why would the drain current fall when the load is decreased from 100 ohms to 25 ohms? -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Cecil Moore wrote:
The latest QEX has an article by k9la: "The Impact of Load SWR on the Efficiency of Power Amplifiers". The amplifier is designed to drive a 50 ohm load and simulated measurements were made for 8 reflection coefficients of 0.333 with phase angles in 45 degree increments. One thing I don't understand. When driving a 100 ohm load, the drain current is 33 amps and the efficiency is 62%. When driving a 25 ohm load, the drain current is 12 amps and the efficiency is 83%. The amp is a Class E/F design from Jan/Feb 2004 QEX. Why would the drain current fall when the load is decreased from 100 ohms to 25 ohms? The output filter of an amplifier can act like a 1/4 wave (or 3/4 wave) transmission line, so a high impedance at the antenna terminal would look like a low impedance at the final, and visa-versa. This extends to the time-delay properties: older oscilloscopes with time delay used long L/C filters operated way below cutoff to simulate even longer stretches of transmission lines. In fact, a filter that looks like this ___ --------o---UUU---o-------- | | --- --- --- --- | | | | === === GND GND created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.24.140803 Beta www.tech-chat.de with all reactances equal to the design impedance (say 50 ohms) at the design frequency is _called_ a 1/4-wave filter. Put two of them together and you get a 1/2 wave filter: ___ ___ --------o---UUU---o---UUU---o------ | | | --- --- --- C --- 2C --- C --- | | | | | | === === === GND GND GND created by Andy´s ASCII-Circuit v1.24.140803 Beta www.tech-chat.de Stick on another section and it'll act like a 3/4 wave line, etc. -- Tim Wescott Wescott Design Services http://www.wescottdesign.com |
Tim Wescott wrote:
Cecil Moore wrote: The amp is a Class E/F design from Jan/Feb 2004 QEX. Why would the drain current fall when the load is decreased from 100 ohms to 25 ohms? The output filter of an amplifier can act like a 1/4 wave (or 3/4 wave) transmission line, ... I should have described the output circuitry. It's a push-pull LC tank circuit with DC supplied by the coil center-tap. The output is just a link coupler. The low-pass filter is a single series L and single C to ground. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Cecil Moore wrote:
The latest QEX has an article by k9la: "The Impact of Load SWR on the Efficiency of Power Amplifiers". The amplifier is designed to drive a 50 ohm load and simulated measurements were made for 8 reflection coefficients of 0.333 with phase angles in 45 degree increments. One thing I don't understand. When driving a 100 ohm load, the drain current is 33 amps and the efficiency is 62%. When driving a 25 ohm load, the drain current is 12 amps and the efficiency is 83%. The amp is a Class E/F design from Jan/Feb 2004 QEX. Why would the drain current fall when the load is decreased from 100 ohms to 25 ohms? How has the QL changed as a function of load? How has the power output changed from 110 to 25 ohms load? Have you calculated the effective load lines for the amplifiers? We need a lot more information. I don't subscribe to QEX so I don't have the circuit available. |
I shouldn't, but will. You don't say, but I think you are puzzled by a
decreasing load impedance causing a decrease in collector current. I'd have to think about it, but I'd first Try modeling that LC filter at resonance to see if it gives an inverse function like the 1/4 wave line. A "gut" reaction tells me that a decreasing collector current for *either* an increased or decreased load Z would not be a surprise... Steve K9DCI "Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Tim Wescott wrote: Cecil Moore wrote: The amp is a Class E/F design from Jan/Feb 2004 QEX. Why would the drain current fall when the load is decreased from 100 ohms to 25 ohms? The output filter of an amplifier can act like a 1/4 wave (or 3/4 wave) transmission line, ... I should have described the output circuitry. It's a push-pull LC tank circuit with DC supplied by the coil center-tap. The output is just a link coupler. The low-pass filter is a single series L and single C to ground. -- 73, Cecil, http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
Steve Nosko wrote:
I shouldn't, but will. You don't say, but I think you are puzzled by a decreasing load impedance causing a decrease in collector current. I'd have to think about it, but I'd first Try modeling that LC filter at resonance to see if it gives an inverse function like the 1/4 wave line. A "gut" reaction tells me that a decreasing collector current for *either* an increased or decreased load Z would not be a surprise... The output is link coupled through a series 216 nH coil and a 2.1 nF cap to ground. The load is connected from the coil/cap junction to ground. It's a Class E/F 40m amp. Load Drain Current Drain Efficiency Load Power 25 ohms 12.2 amps 82.6% 129 watts 50 ohms 20.1 amps 77.7% 200 watts 100 ohms 33.1 amps 62.3% 264 watts Can these be thought of as load-pulling data points? Maximum load power appears to occur when the load is greater than 100 ohms. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
Can I drive a class E amp with an SSB signal?
Thanks, The Eternal Squire |
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Can I drive a class E amp with an SSB signal? You can but you won't like the results. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... wrote: Can I drive a class E amp with an SSB signal? You can but you won't like the results. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp Funny, Nate Sokal, who owned the patent thinks you can. W4ZCB |
Harold E. Johnson wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote: wrote: Can I drive a class E amp with an SSB signal? You can but you won't like the results. :-) Funny, Nate Sokal, who owned the patent thinks you can. I'm assuming that "drive a class E amp with an SSB signal" means an SSB signal on the input, i.e. linear amplification is required. How does Mr. Sokal linearize the non-linear characteristics of the Class-E amp? I'm not saying it can't be done - but I don't know how to do it and there's no claim of linear operation on any of the Class-E Amp web pages. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Harold E. Johnson wrote: "Cecil Moore" wrote: wrote: Can I drive a class E amp with an SSB signal? You can but you won't like the results. :-) Funny, Nate Sokal, who owned the patent thinks you can. I'm assuming that "drive a class E amp with an SSB signal" means an SSB signal on the input, i.e. linear amplification is required. its only required if you want the output to sound like the input. there are lots of amplifiers on 27mhz and other bands where this is not a requirement. |
Dave wrote:
"Cecil Moore" wrote: I'm assuming that "drive a class E amp with an SSB signal" means an SSB signal on the input, i.e. linear amplification is required. its only required if you want the output to sound like the input. there are lots of amplifiers on 27mhz and other bands where this is not a requirement. Well, maybe I presumed too much. I certainly wouldn't like it but of course, I wouldn't force my likes and dislikes on everyone. :-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 100,000 Newsgroups ---= East/West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =--- |
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message ... Load Drain Current Drain Efficiency Load Power 25 ohms 12.2 amps 82.6% 129 watts 50 ohms 20.1 amps 77.7% 200 watts 100 ohms 33.1 amps 62.3% 264 watts Can these be thought of as load-pulling data points? Maximum load power appears to occur when the load is greater than 100 ohms. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp Have you considered the possibility that he might have the data for 25 Ohms and 100 Ohms interchanged? The amplifier is voltage limited at, it appears, 12.8 V. I would believe 25 Ohms, 33.1A, and 264W. Tam/WB2TT |
Tam/WB2TT wrote:
Have you considered the possibility that he might have the data for 25 Ohms and 100 Ohms interchanged? Nope, I accepted his data at face value and am looking for an explanation. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp ----== Posted via Newsfeeds.Com - Unlimited-Uncensored-Secure Usenet News==---- http://www.newsfeeds.com The #1 Newsgroup Service in the World! 120,000+ Newsgroups ----= East and West-Coast Server Farms - Total Privacy via Encryption =---- |
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