Home |
Search |
Today's Posts |
#22
![]() |
|||
|
|||
![]()
Saandy , 4Z5KS wrote:
...if already going into it, a little bit of history. when the cows had bigger heads and the air was greener, there was no such thing as coax. what we used was the ubiquitous ladder wire, with an unknown impedance and with a frequency response depending on what the Gods ate at lunch! the VSWR story was not invented yet. What we did was one of two things: either tune the system for maximum current in the line or else used a light bulb in conjunction with a small light bulb and tuned for maximum brilliance. in neither case was SWR involved in the mess. the whole SWR uproar began after WW2 with the advent of coax and the new fangled theories. that was also the time when all kind of directional couplers came up.in due time a few wise guys developed all kinds of theories on the subject, and manged to convey the impression that SWR is king! nothing further from truth. what's really true is that reflections can cause the apparent impedance at the network's input to differ from Zo. SO WHAT? if you can adjust your matching network between the transmitter and the line for a match what do you care? actually the hitch is that, with a high SWR on the line, the losses go up. if the cable can take it, without melting no harm's done: whatever remains will get radiated. this was the good pint of open feeders: the losses were very low. an SWR fo 10 and more was insignificant from the losses' point ov view. Guys, leave it alone! Just make sure that the SWR is a reasonable value, something that the transmitter can handle and leave it at that. Saandy 4Z5KS Some of what you say is very true. Especially in the world of HAM radio. How ever, this being an open forum, truth is of great importance. Your thesis on the "whys" of the importance of vswr measurements are incorrect in some areas. Yes, importance grew with the advent of coaxial lines simply because of the relatively small distances between inner and outer conductors. That part is true. However, until you've seen a 6" universal coaxial transmission line with no insulators or inner conductor remaining over a 350" run, I guess you can't really appreciate the need for monitoring and maintaining good "system" vswr characteristics. Now to the measuring of said vswr. It can be done. In the broadcast world it's accomplished through the measurement of "Return Loss". By measuring the system return loss at the line input (generator end) and deducting twice the line attenuation, we get an indication of the load return loss thesis value is easily converted to vswr. Return Loss: This is the dB value of absolute reflection coefficient. It is rather curious concept of transmission engineering. This loss value becomes 0 for 100% reflection and becomes infinite for an ideal connection. RL = 20log((VSWR+1) / (VSWR-1)) Voltage Standing Wave Ratio (VSWR): This is the ratio of maximum voltage to minimum voltage in standing wave pattern. It varies from +1 to infinite. VSWR = (1+(10^RL/20)) / ((10^RL/20)-1) These are good and valid measurements which should be performed at initial installation of the system and periodically verified throughout the system life. Return Loss/VSWR is only one of many measurements that should be periodically done. DC measurements such as megger. LO-Ohms are also very important. -- Over The Hill __________________________________________________ ___________________________ The question of whether computers can think is like the question of whether submarines can swim. ***Edsgar Dijkstra*** |