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Radio Shack and my education
"Cecil Moore" wrote in message
. com... Rod Maupin wrote: So, I'm pounding away on the calculator and the other Extra finishes before anyone. He must have only taken ten minutes, if that. He had to of memorized the answers. Rod, I finished that trivial Extra exam in 10 minutes and I can assure you, with a EE degree and MENSA membership, I didn't memorize the answers. -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp Cecil, I'm glad you passed your Extra exam without difficulty. But I have to point out that there are many exam questions not covered in EE (e.g., band breaks and OSCAR schemes); and NONE of the exam questions are covered in MENSA. Thus at least some memory work is needed. I have three EE degrees (and could readily "qualify" for MENSA); but I nevertheless studied quite diligently for the Extra exam (2001). I was gratified to get 100%, but I readily admit taking more than 10 minutes. 73, Ed, W6LOL |
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Ralph Mowery wrote:
"Rod Maupin" wrote in message ... It's interesting you mention that, Tom. I just got my Extra last month. Now, I admit I am not an electronics expert. I had to study really hard before I felt I could take the test. What was funny was actually taking the test. There were a total of six people testing. Myself and five others. Two going for Technician, two going for General, and two going for Extra (myself and one other guy I didn't know). So, I'm pounding away on the calculator and the other Extra finishes before anyone. He must have only taken ten minutes, if that. He had to of memorized the answers. Actually there were a total of three people who had to have memorized the questions. No way they could have finished so fast. Actually, I was the only one who brought a calculator, so that tells you something. What was really interesting to me was that the other Extra had now passed all the writtens, but had never passed the 5 WPM code test. So, no HF priveleges until he does that. I was licensed fifteen years ago and got up through Advanced and took the code tests. But I moved out of state and never got around to taking the Extra. Now, it's all changed and there are only three tests. Anyway, interesting experience. Rod KI7CQ Instead of studying electronics you should have been studying the qusetion and answer book. When the questions are the same as in the book , it is no use learning anything for a test. Where do you get that, Ralph? That license isn't the final goal. It's the beginning. If all a person wants to do is pass some test, I suppose they could memorize Q and A. - although I might postulate that memorizing over 800 questions for the Extra might be harder than simply learning the material. I had the tech license for about 25 years. Just did not want to take time for the code and did not care anything for the lowbands anyway. The job I had gave me some free time on the night shift so I finally decided to take in some code tapes and learn the code on company time. Went to Advanced and about a year later the Extra. I never did get a chance to look at the Q&A book. I did not need a calculator fo rthe tests. The answers are usualy broad enough you can almost guess at them and a quick check with a pencil and paper will do. You had 25 years of studying for the exams! I have not seen the new Extra exam but the old one was very easy compaired to the old Advanced exam. By the way, in 1972 when I took the First Class Phone license there were no calculators or Q&A books with the exect Q&As. I keep hearing about the magical olde time Advanced Amateurs. I wish they would get jobs at Radio Shack and straighten people out! ;^) - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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Cecil Moore wrote:
Rod Maupin wrote: So, I'm pounding away on the calculator and the other Extra finishes before anyone. He must have only taken ten minutes, if that. He had to of memorized the answers. Rod, I finished that trivial Extra exam in 10 minutes and I can assure you, with a EE degree and MENSA membership, I didn't memorize the answers. Right! It is easy for some, and darn hard for others. - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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Instead of studying electronics you should have been studying the
qusetion and answer book. When the questions are the same as in the book , it is no use learning anything for a test. Where do you get that, Ralph? That license isn't the final goal. It's the beginning. If all a person wants to do is pass some test, I suppose they could memorize Q and A. - although I might postulate that memorizing over 800 questions for the Extra might be harder than simply learning the material. Getting the license is the first goal. You have to memorize the rules to answer many of the questions. Might as well memorize the other parts too. You get your license and you can start to learn about ham radio. Sometimes the questions can be deceiving and what may be a correct answer may not be the "best" answer. As far as getting good answers about most anything at RAdio Shack or many other stores , what do you expect from someone making the wages they pay ? You do not get a salesman and electronics engineer for those wages. Try going into any store, say Wal-Mart and pick out an area and ask some specific questions about the products and see what they have to say. Chances are you will get the same dumb look and maybe a dumb answer. |
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Old Ed wrote:
But I have to point out that there are many exam questions not covered in EE (e.g., band breaks and OSCAR schemes); Dang, Ed, I just developed the OSCAR schemes from first principles. ;-) -- 73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp |
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Radio Shack and my education
Ralph Mowery wrote:
. . . As far as getting good answers about most anything at RAdio Shack or many other stores , what do you expect from someone making the wages they pay ? You do not get a salesman and electronics engineer for those wages. Try going into any store, say Wal-Mart and pick out an area and ask some specific questions about the products and see what they have to say. Chances are you will get the same dumb look and maybe a dumb answer. One of the reasons this is the only choice we have is that in times past, there were stores which did pay the employees enough to get people who understood the products. People would go in, get their questions answered, then go to the Wal-Marts and Radio Shacks to buy the item because it was cheaper there. We've gotten what we created and what we collectively deserve. Roy Lewallen, W7EL |
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Roy Lewallen wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote: . . . As far as getting good answers about most anything at RAdio Shack or many other stores , what do you expect from someone making the wages they pay ? You do not get a salesman and electronics engineer for those wages. Try going into any store, say Wal-Mart and pick out an area and ask some specific questions about the products and see what they have to say. Chances are you will get the same dumb look and maybe a dumb answer. One of the reasons this is the only choice we have is that in times past, there were stores which did pay the employees enough to get people who understood the products. People would go in, get their questions answered, then go to the Wal-Marts and Radio Shacks to buy the item because it was cheaper there. We've gotten what we created and what we collectively deserve. Thanks for the reminder, Roy. But that has been a long while. Phil w7ox |
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Ralph Mowery wrote:
Instead of studying electronics you should have been studying the qusetion and answer book. When the questions are the same as in the book , it is no use learning anything for a test. Where do you get that, Ralph? That license isn't the final goal. It's the beginning. If all a person wants to do is pass some test, I suppose they could memorize Q and A. - although I might postulate that memorizing over 800 questions for the Extra might be harder than simply learning the material. Getting the license is the first goal. You have to memorize the rules to answer many of the questions. Might as well memorize the other parts too. You get your license and you can start to learn about ham radio. Hmmm, I suspect that someone who wanted to learn about ham radio would start that process during the preparations for the test. Those who would want to memorize entire question pools probably won't be too interested in actually learning anything both before or afterward the memorization. As well as not too bright. Sometimes the questions can be deceiving and what may be a correct answer may not be the "best" answer. Sure enough. I once took a test in which I was required to answer "the temperature at which solder melts. A through D were all possible answers in this case, because they didn't specify which ratio the solder was. I wrote "E, all of the above" Turns out they "meant" 60/40 solder. So I got the "wrong answer" even though I was a lot more correct than they were. But that is life sometimes. As far as getting good answers about most anything at RAdio Shack or many other stores , what do you expect from someone making the wages they pay ? I expect a correct answer, or "I'm sorry, but I'm don't really know". You do not get a salesman and electronics engineer for those wages. One doesn't need to be an electronics engineer to have an intelligent outlook. Try going into any store, say Wal-Mart and pick out an area and ask some specific questions about the products and see what they have to say. Chances are you will get the same dumb look and maybe a dumb answer. Set your expectations low enough, and you'll seldom be disappointed! 8^) - 73 de Mike KB3EIA - |
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Mike Coslo wrote:
Ralph Mowery wrote: Instead of studying electronics you should have been studying the qusetion and answer book. When the questions are the same as in the book , it is no use learning anything for a test. Where do you get that, Ralph? That license isn't the final goal. It's the beginning. If all a person wants to do is pass some test, I suppose they could memorize Q and A. - although I might postulate that memorizing over 800 questions for the Extra might be harder than simply learning the material. Getting the license is the first goal. You have to memorize the rules to answer many of the questions. Might as well memorize the other parts too. You get your license and you can start to learn about ham radio. Hmmm, I suspect that someone who wanted to learn about ham radio would start that process during the preparations for the test. Those who would want to memorize entire question pools probably won't be too interested in actually learning anything both before or afterward the memorization. As well as not too bright. I've seen it done both ways. And I've seen "rote learners" blossom in their knowledge and breadth of the hobby after getting licensed that way. Also the opposite. Since it is a hobby, what works for the individual seems to be all that is important. Phil w7ox |
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Roy Lewallen wrote:
One of the reasons this is the only choice we have is that in times past, there were stores which did pay the employees enough to get people who understood the products. People would go in, get their questions answered, then go to the Wal-Marts and Radio Shacks to buy the item because it was cheaper there. We've gotten what we created and what we collectively deserve. Roy Lewallen, W7EL Support your local hardware store, support your local ham store.... I have paid a slight price penalty plus state and local tax to buy from my local ham store for almost 20 years. I can also sometimes get break when I have a rig that needs fixing 3 days before a contest or trip to FL and the service wait sign says "3 weeks". Buy local if you want good service from people you know and who know you. Tom K0TAR |
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