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[email protected] January 12th 06 06:14 PM

Questions about antennas for 2.4 Ghz
 
I have a 2.4 Ghz transceiver circuit that is used in a mobile wireless
application. The application runs from a watch battery so power is
crucial. The device will only need to transmit up to 4 or 5 meters to
its receiver. I need to know what kind of antenna to use. I read that a
dipole is typical. My question a

1 - what is the minimum length that this antenna can be?
2 - what is the minimum diameter that the antenna can be?
3 - can the antenna be etched on one side of a PCB (to avoid attaching
a physical cable)?
4 - does the length / diameter of the antenna affect the power output?
5 - any manufacturers you know of that sell very small antennas for
this application?

What I need is the smallest antenna possible!

Thank you for your insight.
Johann Blake


void * clvrmnky() January 12th 06 06:34 PM

Questions about antennas for 2.4 Ghz
 
On 12/01/2006 1:14 PM, wrote:
I have a 2.4 Ghz transceiver circuit that is used in a mobile wireless
application. The application runs from a watch battery so power is
crucial. The device will only need to transmit up to 4 or 5 meters to
its receiver. I need to know what kind of antenna to use. I read that a
dipole is typical. My question a

1 - what is the minimum length that this antenna can be?
2 - what is the minimum diameter that the antenna can be?
3 - can the antenna be etched on one side of a PCB (to avoid attaching
a physical cable)?
4 - does the length / diameter of the antenna affect the power output?
5 - any manufacturers you know of that sell very small antennas for
this application?

What I need is the smallest antenna possible!


Look into low power Wi-Fi designs and you should find the right one for
your application.

Bob Bob January 12th 06 08:00 PM

Questions about antennas for 2.4 Ghz
 
Hi Johann

There is no doubt a lot of info on internet articles you could wade.
through. Since you have a practical requirement though I'll try and answer.

The length and diameter of an antenna is related to the frequency. In
rough terms a half wave in free space on 2.4GHz is calculated as
300/2400MHz/2 metres or about 60mm. A half wave dipole antenna tends to
be shorter than this by a percentage between about 85% and 98%. The
variation being a function of the material diameter vs its length (ie
the fatter the antenna element the shorter its length) If you etch the
design into a PCB the dielectric around it (PCB insulative material)
will lower that percentage more. I don't know how much off hand.

Within limits however you can match any transmitter to any simple
antenna length. Small variations and errors in length (say 20%) wont
deter very much from the performance provided you have done a good job
coupling the transmitter to it. If however you use a simple element of
more than a half wavelength you can get an undesirable pattern of
radiation from it. Gain antennas like yagi's will suffer badly from this
much variation though.

Coupling/tuning in this sense means getting a maximum power transfer
from the transmitter to the antenna.

Antennas for longer distances on 2.4GHz are almost always devices built
for gain. They can use a cluster of dipoles phased to concentrate the
radiation into a narrower pattern, hence the received signal at the
other end is stronger than from a simple dipole. The downside is of
course if either end is moving/rotating in respect to the other. Loss of
signal results. (Think of a searchlight)

Yes etching an antenna on a PCB is a good way to do it. "Patch antennas"
might be the term to look for, as well as "slot antennas" with PCB as
part of the search criteria.

One of the conditions you didn't specify is whether the ends of the link
are fixed or moving. If they are fixed you can get away with lower power
and gain antennas. If they are moving you probably want an antenna that
radiates equally in all directions. This is actually difficult to do as
there is always variation in different angles from the antenna. A dipole
for instance radiates best at 90 degrees to the element. There is
however virtually no radiation directly off the ends. This doesn't make
the system unusable though. Some of the signal will get through via
reflection off other objects and a very useful amount will come off at
(say) 10% from off the ends. If you have enough power margin it will
still work. It will be something like (say) 5m range at almost any
attitude and 50m range if you hold the antenna just right!

Smallest antenna? A slot would be maybe 60mm long and 20mm wide if
etched to a PCB. A quad type element etched on a PCB may me 30mm x 30mm.
You could also make a 1/4 wave groundplane. That's a 30mm or so wire
perpendicular to a ground plane area (eg PCB) a minimum of 60mm
diameter. If you can suffer some efficiency loss you can etch a loaded
dipole pattern on a PCB maybe 15 x 10mm but it would be a good idea to
test whether the distance loss will be okay in your environment.

If you hand make the antenna the coax etc attachment becomes a large
lumped reactance/resistive load that has to be allowed for when
adjusting for best coupling. Likewise a etched PCB antenna will be
affected by components mounted on the reverse side as well as the (say)
plastic etc box it is mounted in. The rule is to tune it with everything
attached.

For the purists out there I have watered this down some and tried to
keep heavy theory out of it. I hope however you'll still find it useful.

Cheers Bob W5/VK2YQA

wrote:


What I need is the smallest antenna possible!

Thank you for your insight.
Johann Blake


Richard Harrison January 13th 06 03:37 AM

Questions about antennas for 2.4 Ghz
 
Bob Bob wrote:
"In rough terms a half wave in free space on 2.4 GHz is calculated as
300/2400 MHz/2 metres or about 60 mm."

I agree with Bob Bob.

A quad antenna has a smaller maximum dimension then 1/2-wave. Its
circumference is a full wave, but that is divided by pi to calculate its
diameter. The configuration is not very important. It can be circular,
triangular, square or a figure with almost any number of sides.
Performance depends on the area enclosed by the figure. If square, it
has 1/4-wave sides. The diagonal is 1.414 times the length of a side. In
the case of a square quad for 2400 MHz, the sides are are about 1.25
inches long.

A quad with a circumference of 5 inches may seem small but it is not a
"small loop" which couples to the rest of the world via the plane of the
loop. The quad couples to the rest of the world broadside to itself.
Kraus gives the radiation resistance of a full-wave loop in Figure 7-10
on page 209 of his 3rd edition of "Antennas" as just over 100 ohms.

Best regards, Richard Harrison, KB5WZI


John - KD5YI January 14th 06 03:34 AM

Questions about antennas for 2.4 Ghz
 
wrote:
I have a 2.4 Ghz transceiver circuit that is used in a mobile wireless
application. The application runs from a watch battery so power is
crucial. The device will only need to transmit up to 4 or 5 meters to
its receiver. I need to know what kind of antenna to use. I read that a
dipole is typical. My question a

1 - what is the minimum length that this antenna can be?
2 - what is the minimum diameter that the antenna can be?
3 - can the antenna be etched on one side of a PCB (to avoid attaching
a physical cable)?
4 - does the length / diameter of the antenna affect the power output?
5 - any manufacturers you know of that sell very small antennas for
this application?

What I need is the smallest antenna possible!

Thank you for your insight.
Johann Blake



Smallest possible? How about surface mount?

http://www.mouser.com
240-4311-115-00245

0 dBi, $4.68 in qty 1


John

[email protected] January 14th 06 06:23 AM

Questions about antennas for 2.4 Ghz
 
I came across this as well after my posting. This looks to be a great
solution.

Johann


Roger January 14th 06 09:40 AM

Questions about antennas for 2.4 Ghz
 
On 13 Jan 2006 22:23:23 -0800, wrote:

I came across this as well after my posting. This looks to be a great
solution.


Came across what?

Roger (K8RI)

Johann

Roger


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