What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

"Tom Ring" wrote in message
.. .
Yuri Blanarovich wrote:

There is another potential problem if feeding two amps to two antennas
that are reasonably close: RF from one antenna is induced into the other
antenna, gets fed into the amp and causes some interference (mixing ?)
that shows up as a raspy signal.
Tried it, and heard it on another station attempting the same setup.
It seems that it would be easier to control the phasing at the input of
the PAs, but the above effect messes it up, unless antennas are widely
separated and they do not "feed" each other setup.
So, it appears that it is better to use one bigger amp and use proper
phasing to feed the two or more antennas.


Well, the expert, or should I say, the new GURU, has spoken. He seems to
know all about this complex subject.


Aaaah, here chimes in another W8JI worshipper, who can not read posting,
understand it and reply intelligently, but resorting to snotty, personal,
pathetic remarks. You may have noticed that I do not take crap and respond
in kind.

I know I will never try this again, as my previous efforts, which seemed
to work, could not possibly have done so. Obviously Wilkenson hybrids are
useless, likewise any ring hybrids, and all other methods of
splitting/combining a transmitter feed.


READ IT AGAIN carefully, I have not say that "Wilkenson" (learn spelling)
hybrid would not work or anything about dividing - combining signals. I have
noted that if TWO amplifiers are fed into TWO (separate) antennas that are
in close proximity (mutual impedance at play) then the signals from the one
antenna get picked up by the other antenna, fed back to the amplifiers and
cause distortion that manifests itself as a raspy CW tone or SSB modulation
on the air. I also mentioned that possible remedy is to separate the
antennas in a such way that there is no significant signal feedback between
them. Like you could have one amp feeding EU antenna, and another one
feeding SA antenna, separated properly, fed from the same TX and using
splitters, to satisfy the impedance match between the TX and AMPS.

Sorry guys, they won't work. Yuri said so.

I didn't say such a thing, I brought up potential problem to situation
(feeding 2 amps to 2 ants) in question and offered possible solution. I did
not even mention hybrids or ways of phasing the gizmos, where did you get it
from, private conversation with the other Tom? You got the GURU thing mixed
up. I do not play GURU on Internet by publicizing "wisdom pages" like W8JI
does, I would chime in with help when I see the need for it (and have time)
or when I see gross crap being paraded as "gospel".
Thank you for showing your feathers and displaying your depth!
Your picture would look pretier if you engaged in technical, civil
discussions, rather than that "W8JI thing".


tom
K0TAR


Yuri Blanarovich, K3BU, VE3BMV etc.

What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:13:52 -0400, "Yuri Blanarovich"
wrote:

I do not play GURU on Internet by publicizing "wisdom pages" like W8JI
does

Hi Yuri,

http://www.k3bu.us/loadingcoils.htm
Looks like one of those GURU wisdom pages. A break-away from the Rome
church of QSL.NET. You even have publicized a new link to devotional
writings from your worshippers. They have all the steamy revelation
as the "Gospel of Judas Iscariot" just discovered.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC
whose meek acolytes only whisper their prayers to him privately.

What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

"Richard Clark" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 25 May 2006 11:13:52 -0400, "Yuri Blanarovich"
wrote:

I do not play GURU on Internet by publicizing "wisdom pages" like W8JI
does

Hi Yuri,

http://www.k3bu.us/loadingcoils.htm
Looks like one of those GURU wisdom pages. A break-away from the Rome
church of QSL.NET. You even have publicized a new link to devotional
writings from your worshippers. They have all the steamy revelation
as the "Gospel of Judas Iscariot" just discovered.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC
whose meek acolytes only whisper their prayers to him privately.

Not at all sireee!
This was response to W8JI baloney and to provide place for some explanation
and graphics, which reflectors and NGs do not afford.
If you followed my publishing career since 1958 and behind the Iron Curtain,
and if you knew me, you would find that I keep most of the stuff to myself,
even some groundbreaking ideas or inventions, I use them to my advantage to
gear up and operate in the contests, where I enjoy beating the competition,
there, stripped of pompous drivel and boasting. There, results are expressed
as points, placement in the ladder or record tables.

It is the most misleading junk science, that when I see it, I get stirred up
enough to respond with what I know to be the right or backed up by reality.
So if you look at my web site and see the "coil thing" and comparing this to
W8JI "guru thing" I wonder about your judgement. I am trying to be civil and
stay with technical discussions, but if someone resorts to personal attacks
and crap, I do not take it laying down with my mouth open.

I think you would be better off also to stick to matter o'fact technical
discussions rather than trying to display your literary talents of poking
people in the eyes.

I could care less what youze guyze here theoretize about or fight for number
one wize guy on the totem pole, or who you worship.
I enjoy ham radio as a means to keep in step with technology, enjoy
contacting and beating people in the contests and to keep my mind sharp.

Last thing I "enjoy" is arguing with an idiot or participate in a ****ing
contests with skunks. I hope I 'splained myself poetically enuf!

So I will not try to be the "last one standing - right" as W8JI philosophy
is. You can have it - argue all you want. I posted what I know, have seen,
am convinced of and can prove it. You can "figure" it all you want. I said,
described my piece, the reality is the judge and not some scientwists!

Have nice Memorial Day, remember those who gave their lives so you can live
in a freedom, otherwise sucks! Been there, paid with lives of dear ones!

73
--
Yuri Blanarovich, K3BU, VE3BMV

What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

On Thu, 25 May 2006 12:26:32 -0400, "Yuri Blanarovich"
wrote:

I do not play GURU on Internet by publicizing "wisdom pages" like W8JI
does

http://www.k3bu.us/loadingcoils.htm
Looks like one of those GURU wisdom pages. A break-away from the Rome
church of QSL.NET. You even have publicized a new link to devotional
writings from your worshippers. They have all the steamy revelation
as the "Gospel of Judas Iscariot" just discovered.

Not at all sireee!

Hi Yuri,

More surprising are most of those devotional writings come from a
heretic to your kool-aid chapter. Selective editing sure brings out
the hosannas though.

Have nice Memorial Day, remember those who gave their lives so you can live
in a freedom, otherwise sucks! Been there, paid with lives of dear ones!

I will be registering voters. Also on the calendar is my usual visit
to the Fort Lawton cemetery.

73's
Richard Clark, KB7QHC
5 generations of family service in the military (including the C.S.A.)

What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

Yuri Blanarovich wrote:

"Tom Ring" wrote in message
.. .

Yuri Blanarovich wrote:


There is another potential problem if feeding two amps to two antennas
that are reasonably close: RF from one antenna is induced into the other
antenna, gets fed into the amp and causes some interference (mixing ?)
that shows up as a raspy signal.
Tried it, and heard it on another station attempting the same setup.
It seems that it would be easier to control the phasing at the input of
the PAs, but the above effect messes it up, unless antennas are widely
separated and they do not "feed" each other setup.
So, it appears that it is better to use one bigger amp and use proper
phasing to feed the two or more antennas.


Well, the expert, or should I say, the new GURU, has spoken. He seems to
know all about this complex subject.



Aaaah, here chimes in another W8JI worshipper, who can not read posting,
understand it and reply intelligently, but resorting to snotty, personal,
pathetic remarks. You may have noticed that I do not take crap and respond
in kind.


I know I will never try this again, as my previous efforts, which seemed
to work, could not possibly have done so. Obviously Wilkenson hybrids are
useless, likewise any ring hybrids, and all other methods of
splitting/combining a transmitter feed.


READ IT AGAIN carefully, I have not say that "Wilkenson" (learn spelling)

snip
Thank you for showing your feathers and displaying your depth!
Your picture would look pretier if you engaged in technical, civil
discussions, rather than that "W8JI thing".



tom
K0TAR



Yuri Blanarovich, K3BU, VE3BMV etc.



Yuru

As far as replying in kind, I've been reading your posts for quite a
while, and I haven't noticed that you withhold any criticisms.

If the only errors you made were typos, this crowd wouldn't have a
problem with you.

And I know when I am out of my depth, and to keep my mouth firmly shut,
as apparently you do not.

tom
K0TAR

What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

"Tom Ring" wrote in message
.. .
Yuri Blanarovich wrote:

"Tom Ring" wrote in message
.. .

Yuri Blanarovich wrote:


There is another potential problem if feeding two amps to two antennas
that are reasonably close: RF from one antenna is induced into the other
antenna, gets fed into the amp and causes some interference (mixing ?)
that shows up as a raspy signal.
Tried it, and heard it on another station attempting the same setup.
It seems that it would be easier to control the phasing at the input of
the PAs, but the above effect messes it up, unless antennas are widely
separated and they do not "feed" each other setup.
So, it appears that it is better to use one bigger amp and use proper
phasing to feed the two or more antennas.


Well, the expert, or should I say, the new GURU, has spoken. He seems to
know all about this complex subject.



Aaaah, here chimes in another W8JI worshipper, who can not read posting,
understand it and reply intelligently, but resorting to snotty, personal,
pathetic remarks. You may have noticed that I do not take crap and
respond in kind.


I know I will never try this again, as my previous efforts, which seemed
to work, could not possibly have done so. Obviously Wilkenson hybrids
are useless, likewise any ring hybrids, and all other methods of
splitting/combining a transmitter feed.


READ IT AGAIN carefully, I have not say that "Wilkenson" (learn spelling)
snip
Thank you for showing your feathers and displaying your depth!
Your picture would look pretier if you engaged in technical, civil
discussions, rather than that "W8JI thing".



tom
K0TAR



Yuri Blanarovich, K3BU, VE3BMV etc.

Yuru

As far as replying in kind, I've been reading your posts for quite a
while, and I haven't noticed that you withhold any criticisms.

If the only errors you made were typos, this crowd wouldn't have a problem
with you.

And I know when I am out of my depth, and to keep my mouth firmly shut, as
apparently you do not.

tom
K0TAR

Typical response. Just read what happened in this thread.
Look at what I wrote, look at what you responded.
I am not criticizing, I respond to crap and personal attacks in kind, not
very nice, but I do not need to put up with snotty remarks and personal BS.
Looks like hurlers don't like when one responds in kind.
If discussion is about technical matters, I provide help where I can or feel
like. If jerk doesn't like it and comes riding high horse, then I get on my
horse too, which happened with W8JI (we go way back) and now with you.
I provided my opinion on 2 PAs to 2 ANTs, you twisted it and snapped GURU
crap on it, Richard Clark was right behind you. I hate to see you when you
are out of your depth. Now you come on with lecture about "crowd having
problem with me"?
You discuss technical matters in a civil way, I respond in kind, you pull
out snotty crap, and I don't take it. Mark it down and next time if you want
do the technical exchange I am open for dialog.
What you want me to do to be "nice"? Accept the "truth" that current along
the loading coil is ALWAYS the same, that shield IS the antenna, that
electrostatic shield can't possibly work, that antenna is not an antenna?
Where I come from, we fight for truth and if needed give life for it. If you
want me to bow to false teachings, or to take crap, look somewhere else.
So you want to try to be nice and discuss the problems with intermods
between two PAs feeding two antennas or play W8JI? I can also engage on
Wilkinson's hybrids, I use them.
Let's stay with the subjects of this NG and keep the crap for the toilets.
--
Yuri Blanarovich, K3BU, VE3BMV

What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

Yuri Blanarovich wrote:

As far as replying in kind, I've been reading your posts for quite a
while, and I haven't noticed that you withhold any criticisms.

If the only errors you made were typos, this crowd wouldn't have a problem
with you.

And I know when I am out of my depth, and to keep my mouth firmly shut, as
apparently you do not.

tom
K0TAR


Typical response. Just read what happened in this thread.
Look at what I wrote, look at what you responded.
I am not criticizing, I respond to crap and personal attacks in kind, not
very nice, but I do not need to put up with snotty remarks and personal BS.
Looks like hurlers don't like when one responds in kind.
If discussion is about technical matters, I provide help where I can or feel
like. If jerk doesn't like it and comes riding high horse, then I get on my
horse too, which happened with W8JI (we go way back) and now with you.
I provided my opinion on 2 PAs to 2 ANTs, you twisted it and snapped GURU
crap on it, Richard Clark was right behind you. I hate to see you when you
are out of your depth. Now you come on with lecture about "crowd having
problem with me"?
You discuss technical matters in a civil way, I respond in kind, you pull
out snotty crap, and I don't take it. Mark it down and next time if you want
do the technical exchange I am open for dialog.
What you want me to do to be "nice"? Accept the "truth" that current along
the loading coil is ALWAYS the same, that shield IS the antenna, that
electrostatic shield can't possibly work, that antenna is not an antenna?
Where I come from, we fight for truth and if needed give life for it. If you
want me to bow to false teachings, or to take crap, look somewhere else.
So you want to try to be nice and discuss the problems with intermods
between two PAs feeding two antennas or play W8JI? I can also engage on
Wilkinson's hybrids, I use them.
Let's stay with the subjects of this NG and keep the crap for the toilets.

Thank you for proving my points.

tom
K0TAR

What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

"Tom Ring" wrote in message
.. .
Yuri Blanarovich wrote:

Thank you for proving my points.

tom
K0TAR

Thank you for displaying your mental capabilities.
Enjoy unloading your personal digs!

73 Yuri, K3BU

What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

Yuri Blanarovich wrote:
Typical response. Just read what happened in this thread.
Look at what I wrote, look at what you responded.
I am not criticizing, I respond to crap and personal attacks in kind, not
very nice, but I do not need to put up with snotty remarks and personal BS.
Looks like hurlers don't like when one responds in kind.
If discussion is about technical matters, I provide help where I can or feel
like. If jerk doesn't like it and comes riding high horse, then I get on my
horse too, which happened with W8JI (we go way back) and now with you.
I provided my opinion on 2 PAs to 2 ANTs, you twisted it and snapped GURU
crap on it, Richard Clark was right behind you. I hate to see you when you
are out of your depth. Now you come on with lecture about "crowd having
problem with me"?
You discuss technical matters in a civil way, I respond in kind, you pull
out snotty crap, and I don't take it. Mark it down and next time if you want
do the technical exchange I am open for dialog.
What you want me to do to be "nice"? Accept the "truth" that current along
the loading coil is ALWAYS the same, that shield IS the antenna, that
electrostatic shield can't possibly work, that antenna is not an antenna?
Where I come from, we fight for truth and if needed give life for it. If you
want me to bow to false teachings, or to take crap, look somewhere else.
So you want to try to be nice and discuss the problems with intermods
between two PAs feeding two antennas or play W8JI? I can also engage on
Wilkinson's hybrids, I use them.
Let's stay with the subjects of this NG and keep the crap for the toilets.

I'm really sorry readers are subjected to this sort of thing in a
technical forum. Please don't associate me with the ranting.

73 Tom W8JI

What happens if you pipe the output of one radio in to 2 amps?
 

wrote:
I'm really sorry readers are subjected to this sort of thing in a
technical forum. Please don't associate me with the ranting.

Pot - Kettle, Kettle - Pot. Here's one of your rantings.

W8JI wrote:
I feel sorry for anyone who has to deal with you on a daily basis.
No wonder your wife split.

Your technical content is noted.
--
73, Cecil http://www.qsl.net/w5dxp