Mechanically rotating your yagi to change polarization
 

Hi. Has anyone designed a way to mechanically rotate their VHF/UHF yagi so
that it can be either horizontally or vertically polarized? If so, can you
please direct me to a website or whatever. Preference right now for a
manual system, but would also take a look at motorised systems.

TIA.

Rich.

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Caution:

When rotating a Yagi to vertical polarization, the mast and feedline must be
clear of all the antenna elements, and preferably any conductor in the plane
of the elements is located outside the near field. Otherwise there is no
pattern and forward gain and F/B both suffer, sometimes very badly. This
then leads to some arrangement of 2 antennas on a cross boom which pivots in
the middle. This has been described from time to time in all the ham
magazines and other postings, but I don't have a specific URL. I have done
it with my own design several times until I got enough towers to have both
at the same time.

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Hi. Has anyone designed a way to mechanically rotate their VHF/UHF yagi so
that it can be either horizontally or vertically polarized? If so, can
you
please direct me to a website or whatever. Preference right now for a
manual system, but would also take a look at motorised systems.

TIA.

Rich.

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Many years ago, polarization on 2 meters was a hotly debated subject. For
instance, in New England, horlzontal was the preference but in New Jersey
vertical ruled. Now this was around 1950, well before FM became widely used on
2 meters. So there were several articles in QST and CQ about so-called
"flop-over" arrays. Probably the best known was the pair of 5 element Yagis,
the design for which was worked out by a W2 in Southern New Jersey.
Fast-forwarding by 50 years or so, I would think you could do a similar
thing with a pair of Yagis. It should work out better than a single Yagi,
since the feedline wouldn't be parallel to and in the same plane as the
elements when you're using vertical polarization.
73
Cal K4JSI

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Hi. Has anyone designed a way to mechanically rotate their VHF/UHF yagi so
that it can be either horizontally or vertically polarized? If so, can
you
please direct me to a website or whatever. Preference right now for a
manual system, but would also take a look at motorised systems.

TIA.

Rich.

Do a Google search under 70cM EME. Polarity rotation to avoid Faraday loss
is routine with these arrays- but they are arrays- so the mast/ feedline
plays virtually no roll in pattern- as it assuredly will in a single yagi
when vertically polarized.

Dale W4OP

Many years ago I used a car windscreen wiper motor and gearbox to do
just this. IRRC the boom was monted in two ball races and there was an
operating arm , set at 45 degrees to the main polarisation, which was
attached to the wiper motor and the boom. Sorry but I really can't
remember any further details but ISTR that I had to make the motor
operate in "one wipe" mode by frigging the switch.
hth and seasons wotzits, Mike W, G8NXD
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On Tue, 23 Dec 2003 10:24:12 -0000, "Richard"
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Hi. Has anyone designed a way to mechanically rotate their VHF/UHF yagi so
that it can be either horizontally or vertically polarized? If so, can you
please direct me to a website or whatever. Preference right now for a
manual system, but would also take a look at motorised systems.

TIA.

Rich.

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Richard wrote:
Hi. Has anyone designed a way to mechanically rotate their VHF/UHF yagi so
that it can be either horizontally or vertically polarized? If so, can you
please direct me to a website or whatever. Preference right now for a
manual system, but would also take a look at motorised systems.

VHF/UHF antennas are cheap and small enough so that you can make/buy two
and mount them 90 degree apart and have two separate feeds, if you feel
you absolutely need different polarizations.
Iow, any mechanical rotation would be either more expensive, more
complicated or more time consuming (or all of the above) than simply
installing two antennas.

73 ... WA7AA


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Mike W wrote:
Many years ago I used a car windscreen wiper motor and gearbox to do
just this. IRRC the boom was monted in two ball races and there was an
operating arm , set at 45 degrees to the main polarisation, which was
attached to the wiper motor and the boom. Sorry but I really can't
remember any further details but ISTR that I had to make the motor
operate in "one wipe" mode by frigging the switch.
hth and seasons wotzits, Mike W, G8NXD

Yep, that's an idea.

I could buy 2 yagis, it's not really the expense, but a question of loading
on my scaffolding pole mast! :c)

Or I figure a peice of string and some kind of mechanism.

VHF/UHF antennas are cheap and small enough so that you can make/buy two
and mount them 90 degree apart and have two separate feeds, if you feel
you absolutely need different polarizations.

Double the ice/wind load, and double the weight.
Though the weight might be equal with a rotatable single, with the
mechanism.

Dave VanHorn wrote:

VHF/UHF antennas are cheap and small enough so that you can make/buy two
and mount them 90 degree apart and have two separate feeds, if you feel
you absolutely need different polarizations.

Double the ice/wind load, and double the weight.
Though the weight might be equal with a rotatable single, with the
mechanism.

Ice and wind load are hardly a concern on VHF, unless one is stacking a
moonbounce array.

73 ... WA7AA


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Ice and wind load are hardly a concern on VHF, unless one is stacking a
moonbounce array.

I know a few guys who would like to sell you some antennas that don't have
anything wrong with them, then..

Hi Richard

My 5 element 2m yagi is setup that way but I'll admit I didnt do it in a
pretty manner.

The attachment on the rear of the antenna has 2 U bolts for the mast and two
plates shaped to fit the boom over about a 6 inch length. I simply put some
washers (spacers) between the two plates so the boom would interference
fit.

I then pulled the boom back a little so maybe 2" was showing behind the
clamp, drilled a hole in it and bolted a flat piece of gal steel strip
about 2 ft long either side on it. The ends of the gal flat were also
bolted together.

I then attached a piece of rope to each end of the gal strips and greased up
the inside of the clamp plates.

Real horrible but it works!

Cheers Bob VK2YQA


Hi. Has anyone designed a way to mechanically rotate their VHF/UHF yagi so
that it can be either horizontally or vertically polarized? If so, can
you
please direct me to a website or whatever. Preference right now for a
manual system, but would also take a look at motorised systems.

TIA.

Rich.

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Richard,
I remember seeing something like your string idea. Used a
'barn-door' hinge with a rope-loop attached. Pull one rope the
antenna 'stood up', pull the other it laid down. Ran the ropes
through a couple of 'turning blocks', into the shack's window.
The 'turning blocks were low on the tower so the rope sort of
twisted around the tower when the beam was turned. Didn't seem
to be much of a bother...
'Doc

Vent rotor motors work very well. These motors are used in HVAC systems in
commercial buildings. They usually take 24 volts to operate and only turn
from 0 to a few degrees past 90. Most are settable.

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Hi. Has anyone designed a way to mechanically rotate their VHF/UHF yagi so
that it can be either horizontally or vertically polarized? If so, can
you
please direct me to a website or whatever. Preference right now for a
manual system, but would also take a look at motorised systems.

TIA.

Rich.

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Vent rotor motors work very well. These motors are used in HVAC systems
in
commercial buildings. They usually take 24 volts to operate and only turn
from 0 to a few degrees past 90. Most are settable.

Where do they come from?
I didn't get any hits on google, or ebay.

Commercial HVAC (heating, ventilating, air conditioning) dealers. They are
duct mixture control motors.

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"Cougercat" wrote in message
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Vent rotor motors work very well. These motors are used in HVAC systems
in
commercial buildings. They usually take 24 volts to operate and only
turn
from 0 to a few degrees past 90. Most are settable.

Where do they come from?
I didn't get any hits on google, or ebay.

On Fri, 26 Dec 2003 18:34:52 GMT, "Cougercat" wrote:

Vent rotor motors work very well. These motors are used in HVAC systems in
commercial buildings. They usually take 24 volts to operate and only turn
from 0 to a few degrees past 90. Most are settable.

--jj
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Hi. Has anyone designed a way to mechanically rotate their VHF/UHF yagi so
that it can be either horizontally or vertically polarized? If so, can
you
please direct me to a website or whatever. Preference right now for a
manual system, but would also take a look at motorised systems.

TIA.

Rich.

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