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No. A ground can have transmission line effects. As such, it can modify
impedances.

Bummer! I had no idea.


Hasan: Is it really possible to reduce ground losses to the absolute
minimum and
not have a corresponding increase in field strength?

Tom: You are assuming a reduction of ground loss or an increase of ground
loss always indicates a certain resistance change at the feedpoint.
That assumption is not correct Hans. (Hasan)

Bummer again! The field strength does change, but you are saying the
feedpoint Z may not track it.

All I'm saying is the feedpoint reistance change when using a 1/4 wl
series fed radiator does not correspond to change in field strength. I
know that to be absolutely true, because I and others have seen that
happen.

Then we are left with no use for monitoring feedpoint resistance (other than
matching). Bummer.
All we can do is keep adding radials and watch the R drop until it gets
boring. (Or is that not possible now, either?). Every vertical antenna (1/4
w), I've ever made and played the radial game with has behaved predictably
with increasing numbers of radials...the feedpoint Z has always dropped
asymptotically towards the Rrad of the vertical. Now I have to discard all
that...or are you quoting the exception that doesn't invalidate the general
nature of things? I'm getting that "too many variables to deal with" black
magic feeling again. Things looked so reasonable for a while there...now it
appears for all but the brave, it becomes nothing more than cramming a lot
of wire into or onto the ground and hoping for the best.

Not what I was hoping for at all. Bummer.

Thanks for taking the time to explain parts of this, Tom. (even though it
wasn't what I wanted to hear)

73,

....hasan, N0AN


73 Tom