Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

On Apr 4, 5:01*pm, (Chris Suslowicz) wrote:
In article c0eJj.15038$p97.2744@trnddc03,

Adam Stouffer wrote:
I recently saved this radio from being trashed along with a
Hallicrafters S-38. Here is a picture of the MK II

http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...oatanchor1.jpg

Its very dirty and missing the meter on the front and probably 2/3 of
the tubes.

It looks like just dust accumulation, rather than corrosion, so is
eminently restorable. Meters are not hard to find, nor are the tubes.

It doesn't look like any of the original components have been
changed.

It should be good, as long as the bottom cover is in place - they tend
to be a bit hard to align if that's missing.

If anyone is interested I can see about getting it boxed up and
letting it go for the cost of shipping. My zip is 15112 and Fedex ground
seems to be the cheapest for stuff like this.

Someone will be getting an absolute bargain 8-)

One question I do have is why the dual russian/english labels on
everything?

Lend-Lease production for the allies. They were not used by the US Army
(despite the "Signal Corps" on the id plates) who had their own kit like
the BC-603 for tank use. The WS19 was designed in England by W.G. Pye
and built by them initially (with other production by companies such as
AGI (Aeronautical & General Instrument, E.K.Cole & Mitcham Works). The
Mark II set was needed in much larger quantities and was contracted out
to the US (Zenith, RCA & Philco) and Canada (RCA Victor, Canadian Marconi
and Northern Electric) as well as being made in the UK by Pye, AGI and
others (plus Australia for their own use by AWA).

A Google search will probably turn up more than you could possibly want
to know about the subject. 8-)

Best,
Chris.

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Tuesday, January 19th 2038, 03:14:07 UTC: Are YOU Ready?

Hi Chris: Agree. I worked on one WS19 when in the Army Cadets some 50+
years ago. Just the set itself the military hadn't provided anything
else! Got it transmitting a few watts into a lamp dummy load antenna.
Was probably a Mark I; it also had the Russian markings. Terry

Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

In article .,
terryS wrote:

... I worked on one WS19 when in the Army Cadets some 50+
years ago. Just the set itself the military hadn't provided anything
else! Got it transmitting a few watts into a lamp dummy load antenna.
Was probably a Mark I; it also had the Russian markings. Terry

That would make it a US or Canadian manufactured Mark II or a
Canadian Mark III, which were the only ones with Russian/English
markings. (Britain and Australia had none to spare for export.)

Chris.
p.s: A friend has an R107 with the bottom panel securing bolt in
place. I intend to measure this to within an inch (2.54 cm.) of
its life the next time I go to London, so I can make three of
them up - I assume you still need one for your set?



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"Actually, we have scientifically determined that Heisenberg did indeed
sleep exactly here. However, we have no idea whatsoever just how fast
asleep he was." -- Dave Aronson in the scary.devil.monastery

Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

In article ,
jakdedert wrote:

k35454 wrote:

Try this website:
http://www.royalsignals.org.uk/#info

They are one of two groups who maintain
a Yahoo Group site, as well. There are
member-enthusiasts who would be
interested in restoring this set, so
please contact them. (I had a Mk II as
a teenager, and loved the challenge of
operating 40 mtr CW with it. There's
also a 220Mhz AM transceiver built into
it for tank-to-tank communications! It's
the upper-left section with the
double-capped tube.)
afcsman

And it's superregenerative.. VE7AFN.


I looked at the site. The login requirements seemed a little silly
given that the information is available elsewhere on the web with no
restriction. They might have 'better' or more complete documents; but a
cursory glance across several google links indicates anything needed for
the OP's purposes is freely available elsewhere.

It depends on what you actually need. Some of the information is
available elsewhere, but that site covers a lot more than just
the WS19.

The login requirements are there in an attempt to deter the freeloaders
who sell CD "collections" of manuals on eBay. A lot of work has gone
into that particular archive. (Scanning and cleaning up old documents
is a very time-consuming process, not to mention the problems and
expense of getting the original manuals to begin with.)

Chris.

--
"Heisenberg may have slept here." -- BSD fortune file
"Actually, we have scientifically determined that Heisenberg did indeed
sleep exactly here. However, we have no idea whatsoever just how fast
asleep he was." -- Dave Aronson in the scary.devil.monastery

Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

Chris Suslowicz wrote:
In article ,
jakdedert wrote:

k35454 wrote:

Try this website:
http://www.royalsignals.org.uk/#info

They are one of two groups who maintain
a Yahoo Group site, as well. There are
member-enthusiasts who would be
interested in restoring this set, so
please contact them. (I had a Mk II as
a teenager, and loved the challenge of
operating 40 mtr CW with it. There's
also a 220Mhz AM transceiver built into
it for tank-to-tank communications! It's
the upper-left section with the
double-capped tube.)
afcsman

And it's superregenerative.. VE7AFN.


I looked at the site. The login requirements seemed a little silly
given that the information is available elsewhere on the web with no
restriction. They might have 'better' or more complete documents; but a
cursory glance across several google links indicates anything needed for
the OP's purposes is freely available elsewhere.

It depends on what you actually need. Some of the information is
available elsewhere, but that site covers a lot more than just
the WS19.

The login requirements are there in an attempt to deter the freeloaders
who sell CD "collections" of manuals on eBay. A lot of work has gone
into that particular archive. (Scanning and cleaning up old documents
is a very time-consuming process, not to mention the problems and
expense of getting the original manuals to begin with.)

Chris.

Check out a few other resources. I didn't notice a single important
document on that site not available for free elsewhere. In any case,
the OP was only interested to the point where he could find someone to
take it off his hands, for price of shipping (probably a considerable
sum these days).

jak

Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

In article ,
jakdedert wrote:

Check out a few other resources.

OK, I'm interested, give me a few suggestions.

I didn't notice a single important document on that site not
available for free elsewhere.

Maintenance EMERs?

How about EMER Tels JY 112/2, JY 113/2 and JY 114/2, which are the
complete base workshop manuals for servicing that particular model?

In any case,
the OP was only interested to the point where he could find someone to
take it off his hands, for price of shipping (probably a considerable
sum these days).

And when someone suggests a (free) source for the manuals relating to
the set, you suggest there are better placers to look without offering
a single concrete alternative.

Fine. "Everyone has a plan which will not work."

Chris.
(Yes, I'm involved with the site in question (and the Yahoo! group),
and it's run as a _service_ to anyone interested in the equipment,
etc. at no cost to them (and considerable cost in time and money to
the site maintainers. /Declaration of interest)
--
Sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from malice.
(J. Porter Clark - who may not have originated it, but was certainly
the first to post it to Usenet.)

Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

terryS wrote:
On Apr 8, 5:44 am, Dale Carlson wrote:
On Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:47:20 GMT, Adam Stouffer wrote:
It doesn't look like any of the original components have been
changed. If anyone is interested I can see about getting it boxed up and
letting it go for the cost of shipping. My zip is 15112 and Fedex ground
seems to be the cheapest for stuff like this.
I can't imagine that nobody has taken you up on this offer yet.
In that unlikely event, I certainly will. My posting e-mail address
is valid.

Thanks,
Dale
KJ7SL

BTW. On recent trip to the Middle East met someone who said they have
a complete WS19 kit except for (I think he said the 'variometer'!) but
including power supply etc. Also understood that he might be
interested in selling it. Don't know which mark of WS19 it is; since
it is 'back home' in Canada; probably a Mark II?
I can probably re-establish contact with him through a relative also
working in the Middle East. Let me know if anyone interested.
About 5 or 6 months ago, an unused MK
II, complete with spares and mounting
hardware for a Sherman tank went for
about $500 plus shipping from the UK to
US. Heavy weight.

afcsman

Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

Chris Suslowicz wrote:
In article ,
jakdedert wrote:

Check out a few other resources.

OK, I'm interested, give me a few suggestions.

I didn't notice a single important document on that site not
available for free elsewhere.

Maintenance EMERs?

How about EMER Tels JY 112/2, JY 113/2 and JY 114/2, which are the
complete base workshop manuals for servicing that particular model?

In any case,
the OP was only interested to the point where he could find someone to
take it off his hands, for price of shipping (probably a considerable
sum these days).

And when someone suggests a (free) source for the manuals relating to
the set, you suggest there are better placers to look without offering
a single concrete alternative.

Fine. "Everyone has a plan which will not work."

Chris.
(Yes, I'm involved with the site in question (and the Yahoo! group),
and it's run as a _service_ to anyone interested in the equipment,
etc. at no cost to them (and considerable cost in time and money to
the site maintainers. /Declaration of interest)

And yes, I'm sure that you know how to use Google. Everyone does, and
I'm sure the OP already has.

Enter 'no. 19 MK II' and see the thousands of hits, including a
worldwide directory of surviving sets, in one site. Organizers of said
site also obviously spent considerable time and money putting it
together. They don't require people to expose themselves to potential
identity theft in order to access this info.

I'm sure you already know this. You're making yourself look incompetent
and uninformed about a subject about which you are obviously
passionate...why?

In case you actually are not aware of the plethora of information
available, I'll include one (actually the best) link:
http://www.googleitfirst.com/

jak

Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

In article ,
jakdedert wrote:

Chris Suslowicz wrote:
In article ,
jakdedert wrote:

Check out a few other resources.

OK, I'm interested, give me a few suggestions.

I didn't notice a single important document on that site not
available for free elsewhere.

Maintenance EMERs?

How about EMER Tels JY 112/2, JY 113/2 and JY 114/2, which are the
complete base workshop manuals for servicing that particular model?

In any case,
the OP was only interested to the point where he could find someone to
take it off his hands, for price of shipping (probably a considerable
sum these days).

And when someone suggests a (free) source for the manuals relating to
the set, you suggest there are better placers to look without offering
a single concrete alternative.

Fine. "Everyone has a plan which will not work."

Chris.
(Yes, I'm involved with the site in question (and the Yahoo! group),
and it's run as a _service_ to anyone interested in the equipment,
etc. at no cost to them (and considerable cost in time and money to
the site maintainers. /Declaration of interest)

And yes, I'm sure that you know how to use Google. Everyone does, and
I'm sure the OP already has.

Enter 'no. 19 MK II' and see the thousands of hits, including a
worldwide directory of surviving sets, in one site.

Notes effort to change the subject away from "I didn't notice a single
important document on that site not available for free elsewhere.

Some of my kit is actually _in_ this directory, oddly enough.

Organizers of said site also obviously spent considerable time
and money putting it together.

I happen to be a member of that Yahoo! group too....

They don't require people to expose themselves to potential
identity theft in order to access this info.

I think you need to put down your crack pipe and open the window
to let the fumes disperse. It's a Yahoo! group with a website,
like all the others.

I'm sure you already know this. You're making yourself look
incompetent and uninformed about a subject about which you
are obviously passionate...why?

PKB

I suggest you read the thread from the beginning, and see who
is looking foolish in this discussion. Here's a hint: Someone
posted a link to the (.uk) WS19 group as a source of information,
and you jumped in with a putdown claiming "all the 'important'
information was freely available on the internet", which I
called you on.

In case you actually are not aware of the plethora of information
available, I'll include one (actually the best) link:
http://www.googleitfirst.com/

My apologies, I regret that I find it unethical to enter a battle
of wits with an unarmed opponent.

HTH, HAND.
Chris.
--
If a thoroughly plonked troll enters a newsgroup, does it make a sound?

Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

Chris Suslowicz wrote:

Chris.
(Yes, I'm involved with the site in question (and the Yahoo! group),
and it's run as a _service_ to anyone interested in the equipment,
etc. at no cost to them (and considerable cost in time and money to
the site maintainers. /Declaration of interest)

I do find the arrangement a little bit cumbersome, but I understand the
issue involved.

That said, I got the proffered No. 19 set, and I am not exactly sure what
I am doing yet, but the basic design of the A set seems reasonably
straightforward.

The unit has had the meter gutted and wires soldered the the Pye connectors
in order to hook it up.

So, I guess my FIRST question is what the meter movement is. I gather
from the schematic that it's an ammeter but I don't know what resistance
or full-scale current.

And my second question is where I get Pye sockets so I can hook up a
couple bench supplies.

Looking at this, it appears to have been badly butchered over the years,
with a lot of substitutions made. I don't think I am going to have the
time to get this one up and running for Field Day. This year anyway.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Signal Corps Wireless Set No. 19 MK II
 

In article ,
(Scott Dorsey) wrote:

Chris Suslowicz wrote:

Chris.
(Yes, I'm involved with the site in question (and the Yahoo! group),
and it's run as a _service_ to anyone interested in the equipment,
etc. at no cost to them (and considerable cost in time and money to
the site maintainers. /Declaration of interest)

I do find the arrangement a little bit cumbersome, but I understand the
issue involved.

That said, I got the proffered No. 19 set, and I am not exactly sure what
I am doing yet, but the basic design of the A set seems reasonably
straightforward.

The unit has had the meter gutted and wires soldered the the Pye connectors
in order to hook it up.

So, I guess my FIRST question is what the meter movement is. I gather
from the schematic that it's an ammeter but I don't know what resistance
or full-scale current.

Offhand, the meter os 0.5 mA FSD, scaled 0-15 and 0-600. I'm not sure what
the internal resistance is supposed to be (all the ones I've just looked
at say "WS19 Voltmeter", which is not exactly helpful[2].

I think the US meters were made by Weston, Triplett and possibly Simpson(?),
and there should be spares floating about on the surplus market still.
(There are some NOS ones on ePay, but at very silly prices.)

And my second question is where I get Pye sockets so I can hook up a
couple bench supplies.

Ah... by "Pye sockets" I assume you mean the power and control ones?

("Pye connector" usually means the antenna connectors, which were used
on all sorts of kit.)

Can you get the solder cleaned off the pins, or are you looking for
replacement power and control plugs as well as the sockets? I've got
a few spares but am on the wrong side of the pond so shipping will
take a while...

Looking at this, it appears to have been badly butchered over the years,
with a lot of substitutions made.

You haven't seen some of the ones /I'm/ considering rebuilding[1] - that
one looks positively mint by comparison.

I don't think I am going to have the time to get this one up and
running for Field Day. This year anyway.

It's good to have a hobby.

g,d&rlh.

Chris.
[1] An AGI-built Mk.II with an ATU built into the 'B' set space, all
the connectors replaced, extra controls here and there, and the switches
painted with fluorescent orange fishing-float paint. The other one (a Pye
built set refurbished by Roneo-Vickers (I think) in the 1950s) has other
strange things (like an EF80 with 6V MES bulb as heater ballast mounted
horizontally under the chassis where the 'B' set Tx/Rx relay used to be)
done to it. Finding original parts to restore the 'B' set will be the
tricky bit, I think.

[2] Apart from the one in the AGI set, which has been replaced by an
Air Ministry 0-500mA thermocouple RF ammeter. Cringe I assume
this is part of the built-in ATU addeed by a previous (SK) owner.