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Due to recovery from surgery, I missed responding to an interesting
topic or thread a few weeks back lamenting the high prices for used equipment; my experience on here and other sites is that the person who asks for less than 50% of the new value for a piece of used equipment is a rare person. Even still I have purchased items with scratches and flaws that never were mentioned. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Excuse my cynicism, but it is a bit ironic that a person in their sunset years who is closer to leaving every earthly possession behind would have an inordinate affectionfor money and the tightest squeeze on things. It must be the pride of life stage, but the bubba with little more that a pair of Kmart shoes and a push mower to his name is the one who tends to be the most generous among, not those with worth! kicked one too many times when I was down on money in SC W4FCM Fred |
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No one is required to purchase any boat anchor. The seller is free to set
any price he or she chooses. Sometimes, sellers think their item they wish to sell is worth more than the buyers do - in which case the item remains unsold. Whether a seller is 90 or 20, the obligation is the same - describe the equipment accurately. I often purchase boatanchors at much more than the purchase price, with scratches and other defects. As long as I know what I am getting, I am happy. Once it is mine, I can modify it, hoard it, deface it or sell it for a profit - because it is mine. 73, Colin K7FM |
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On Aug 5, 10:30*pm, Fred Cameron wrote:
*Due to recovery from surgery, *I missed responding to an interesting topic or thread a few weeks back lamenting the high prices for used equipment; my experience on here and other sites is that the person who asks for less than 50% of the new value for a piece of used equipment is a rare person. Even still I have purchased items with scratches and flaws that never were mentioned. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Excuse my cynicism, but it is a bit ironic that a person in their sunset years who is closer to leaving every earthly possession behind would have an inordinate affectionfor money and *the tightest squeeze on things. It must be the pride of life stage, but the bubba with little more that a pair of Kmart shoes and a push mower to his name is the one who tends to be the most generous among, not those with worth! kicked one too many times when I was down on money *in SC W4FCM Fred Mr. Fred ,you are certainly entitled to an opinion, This opinion as stated only shows stupidity, being honest has nothing to due with age or position in life.People that work hard ,manage well,and make good decisions always seem to do better in this country..Ever notice that? W4PQW Harold |
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That my friend is exactly why I am doing so well, in spite of the
greedy few scratches and flaws that never were mentioned. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Excuse my cynicism, but it is a bit ironic that a person in their sunset years who is closer to leaving every earthly possession behind would have an inordinate affectionfor money and *the tightest squeeze on things. It must be the pride of life stage, but the bubba with little more that a pair of Kmart shoes and a push mower to his name is the one who tends to be the most generous among, not those with worth! kicked one too many times when I was down on money *in SC W4FCM Fred Mr. Fred ,you are certainly entitled to an opinion, This opinion as stated only shows stupidity, being honest has nothing to due with age or position in life.People that work hard ,manage well,and make good decisions always seem to do better in this country..Ever notice that? W4PQW Harold |
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Harold,
Get your walker, and please fetch those bifocals. I never equated age with honesty or dishonesty- only with becoming greedy and self-centered. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Excuse my cynicism, but it is a bit ironic that a person in their sunset years who is closer to leaving every earthly possession behind would have an inordinate affectionfor money and *the tightest squeeze on things. It must be the pride of life stage, but the bubba with little more that a pair of Kmart shoes and a push mower to his name is the one who tends to be the most generous among, not those with worth! kicked one too many times when I was down on money *in SC W4FCM Fred Mr. Fred ,you are certainly entitled to an opinion, This opinion as stated only shows stupidity, being honest has nothing to due with age or position in life.People that work hard ,manage well,and make good decisions always seem to do better in this country..Ever notice that? W4PQW Harold |
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Harold, Get your walker, and please fetch those bifocals. I never equated age with honesty or dishonesty- only with becoming greedy and self-centered. Fred, you still have it wrong. Were your supposed observations correct, we'd have a hell of a time drumming up scholarships for deserving youngsters, private grants to needy organizations, volunteer efforts and the like. You just might have something however, if you made the comparison to politicians and academics instead of age. Try harder not to assess everyone else with a comparison to your personal value set. How's your effort going on the Cubic? W4ZCB |
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On Tue, 5 Aug 2008, Fred Cameron wrote:
Due to recovery from surgery, I missed responding to an interesting topic or thread a few weeks back lamenting the high prices for used equipment; my experience on here and other sites is that the person who asks for less than 50% of the new value for a piece of used equipment is a rare person. Even still I have purchased items with scratches and flaws that never were mentioned. But we're not talking about used equipment here, we're talking about old equipment. As has been said before, go back about forty years, and you could get all kinds of boatanchors for next to nothing. Everyone wanted SSB, everyone wanted solid state, so the tube equipment, much of which was AM, was virtually tossed away. I got all kinds of stuff in the early seventies, played with it and then traded it off. Few were collecting it, and those that were didn't have to pay much for a lot of that. I really wish I'd kept that PMR-8 receiver, but at the time, something else interested me so I traded it off. That was the period when the boatanchors were still useful for the beginner, as cheap equipment. And the cost was way lower than fifty percent of the original price. But forty years later, attrition has meant less and less of that gear still exists. And forty years later, the people who tossed it aside back then are regretting it, or wanting that equipment they lusted after as a kid but which was too expensive (like that Tapetone VHF receiver that may or may not have existed as an actual product). They aren't looking for equipment to get on the air, they are looking for equipment that reflects an era long gone, be it amateur radio or their own lives. They are collecting. Some will have extensive collections, others will have only a few pieces. So that keeps the price up. Limited quantity and relatively high demand. If people are looking for equipment to use on a regular basis, they are looking in the wrong place, they need to find the buy and sell newsgroup. This is no different from anything else. I can still get copies of Alvin Toffler's "Future Shock" for fifty cents. But plenty of books from the same era that never sold so well in the first place now carry a premium price, far higher than the original cover price, because people want them and they have to fight over a relative few copies. Michael VE2BVW |
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Fred Cameron wrote:
That my friend is exactly why I am doing so well, in spite of the greedy few I don't know where you're getting the idea that someone who sells something at what others are willing to pay, is somehow being greedy. Anyone has a perfect right to sell something he owns for as much as the market will bear. He may well need the money to buy food, repair a car or to pay for medical care. In the case of boatanchor radios, some are desirable; others are less desirable. They aren't making them anymore. The supply is limited. The demand is there. No one has an obligation to cut you a deal because you don't have the money to pay the going rate. If someone chooses to do so, thank him profusely. You might want to reflect on the effect that venting your spleen might have in future. A guy may be tempted to cut you a break and may suddenly remember that you're that guy who accused folks of being greedy. Dave K8MN |
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On Aug 5, 11:30*pm, Fred Cameron wrote:
*Due to recovery from surgery, *I missed responding to an interesting topic or thread a few weeks back lamenting the high prices for used equipment; my experience on here and other sites is that the person who asks for less than 50% of the new value for a piece of used equipment is a rare person. Even still I have purchased items with scratches and flaws that never were mentioned. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Thanks for letting us know not to get involved with your shady deals. |
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On Aug 6, 8:55*pm, sparky wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:30*pm, Fred Cameron wrote: *Due to recovery from surgery, *I missed responding to an interesting topic or thread a few weeks back lamenting the high prices for used equipment; my experience on here and other sites is that the person who asks for less than 50% of the new value for a piece of used equipment is a rare person. Even still I have purchased items with scratches and flaws that never were mentioned. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Thanks for letting us know not to get involved with your shady deals. You know, I have remained silent on this subject for many years. But finally have come to the conclusion that a majority of the ham population is beginning to lose it. I have been licensed for over 50 years, and am over 60 years old. I still buy, sell, trade older equipment. There are so many times I have seen this subject discussed that it really irritates me. If you want a piece of gear, and can afford it, but it! I can truly say that I have paid more than a piece of gear was worth, but on the other hand have bought things that I thought were under priced. So in the long run, it all evens out. I can still remember back in the 70's that I bought a Hallicrafters SX-115 for less than $200.00. A year or so ago, I watched one go for well over $6000.00. So, as one of the posts, the less there is of a given piece of gear, the higher the cost. One of my pet peeves is the guy wanting a service manual copy for the cost of postage (maybe) when there are many sources for manuals for sale. I recently took on an old FT-101EE and found a complete service manual for $22.00. Without it I probably would not have been able to repair the rig, and have a very unhappy ham on my hands. Yes, I'm on a fixed income, but if you need something buy it and stop crying. Just my thought of the day! 73, Mike-K5VSE -- Formerly WB6VSE, Senior Tech. Amateur Division SBE/Linear Systems, Watsonville, CA On 3922 nearly every night. WEB Site: http://members.tripod.com/~sjsharks/index.html Restoring and using Drake Radios, TR-4, TR-4C, RV-4C, Drake Twins: "C" line, W-4 Wattmeter, L4-B amplifier APA 220, USS Okanogan, LSD31, USS Point Defiance All email scanned with Norton 2008 "In God We Trust" |
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On Aug 6, 8:55*pm, sparky wrote:
On Aug 5, 11:30*pm, Fred Cameron wrote: *Due to recovery from surgery, *I missed responding to an interesting topic or thread a few weeks back lamenting the high prices for used equipment; my experience on here and other sites is that the person who asks for less than 50% of the new value for a piece of used equipment is a rare person. Even still I have purchased items with scratches and flaws that never were mentioned. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Thanks for letting us know not to get involved with your shady deals. You know, I have remained silent on this subject for many years. But finally have come to the conclusion that a majority of the ham population is beginning to lose it. I have been licensed for over 50 years, and am over 60 years old. I still buy, sell, trade older equipment. There are so many times I have seen this subject discussed that it really irritates me. If you want a piece of gear, and can afford it, but it! I can truly say that I have paid more than a piece of gear was worth, but on the other hand have bought things that I thought were under priced. So in the long run, it all evens out. I can still remember back in the 70's that I bought a Hallicrafters SX-115 for less than $200.00. A year or so ago, I watched one go for well over $6000.00. So, as one of the posts, the less there is of a given piece of gear, the higher the cost. One of my pet peeves is the guy wanting a service manual copy for the cost of postage (maybe) when there are many sources for manuals for sale. I recently took on an old FT-101EE and found a complete service manual for $22.00. Without it I probably would not have been able to repair the rig, and have a very unhappy ham on my hands. Yes, I'm on a fixed income, but if you need something buy it and stop crying. Just my thought of the day! 73, Mike-K5VSE -- Formerly WB6VSE, Senior Tech. Amateur Division SBE/Linear Systems, Watsonville, CA On 3922 nearly every night. WEB Site: http://members.tripod.com/~sjsharks/index.html Restoring and using Drake Radios, TR-4, TR-4C, RV-4C, Drake Twins: "C" line, W-4 Wattmeter, L4-B amplifier APA 220, USS Okanogan, LSD31, USS Point Defiance All email scanned with Norton 2008 "In God We Trust" |
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Mike
I gladly pay fair prices for everything I buy. I simply made a personal observation that I have found the older a person becomes, the more greedy and self-absorbed they become. It will remain one of life's ironies that those who have seem to horde,and those who do not give. Please read the lines and not between them 73's & Happy Hording .. Fred ===== You know, I have remained silent on this subject for many years. But finally have come to the conclusion that a majority of the ham population is beginning to lose it. I have been licensed for over 50 years, and am over 60 years old. I still buy, sell, trade older equipment. There are so many times I have seen this subject discussed that it really irritates me. If you want a piece of gear, and can afford it, but it! I can truly say that I have paid more than a piece of gear was worth, but on the other hand have bought things that I thought were under priced. So in the long run, it all evens out. I can still remember back in the 70's that I bought a Hallicrafters SX-115 for less than $200.00. A year or so ago, I watched one go for well over $6000.00. So, as one of the posts, the less there is of a given piece of gear, the higher the cost. One of my pet peeves is the guy wanting a service manual copy for the cost of postage (maybe) when there are many sources for manuals for sale. I recently took on an old FT-101EE and found a complete service manual for $22.00. Without it I probably would not have been able to repair the rig, and have a very unhappy ham on my hands. Yes, I'm on a fixed income, but if you need something buy it and stop crying. Just my thought of the day! 73, Mike-K5VSE |
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On Mon, 11 Aug 2008, Mike-K5VSE wrote: On Aug 6, 8:55*pm, sparky wrote: On Aug 5, 11:30*pm, Fred Cameron wrote: *Due to recovery from surgery, *I missed responding to an interesting topic or thread a few weeks back lamenting the high prices for used equipment; my experience on here and other sites is that the person who asks for less than 50% of the new value for a piece of used equipment is a rare person. Even still I have purchased items with scratches and flaws that never were mentioned. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Thanks for letting us know not to get involved with your shady deals. You know, I have remained silent on this subject for many years. But finally have come to the conclusion that a majority of the ham population is beginning to lose it. Well, you did not say what you meant by "lose it." I have been licensed for over 50 years, and am over 60 years old. I have been licensed close to that and also am over 60. I still buy, sell, trade older equipment. As I have seen in the last year, and in the decade or two up to now, the quality and quantity of ham gear decline at hamfests--and as my junkbox and test equipment (including three tektronix oscilloscopes) has become adequate--my buying of gear has fallen off considerably. There are so many times I have seen this subject discussed that it really irritates me. If you want a piece of gear, and can afford it, but it! I can truly say that I have paid more than a piece of gear was worth, but on the other hand have bought things that I thought were under priced. So in the long run, it all evens out. I can still remember back in the 70's that I bought a Hallicrafters SX-115 for less than $200.00. A year or so ago, I watched one go for well over $6000.00. $6000 for an SX-115? Pretty good catch for the seller. I'd like to hear the buyer's rationalization for paying that kind of money. Certainly if one's kid were taken by kidnappers, then I could easily understand high figures for ransom. Maybe collectors who did some heavy dreaming all their life, or who are filthy rich and can drop that kind of money with no effect on their resources for an SX-115. Maybe auctions, which "play" human psychology on one bidder against another bidder who bids back, in an upward spiral to way "over the top" prices exploit the same mentality that plays lottos operated by governments (to moneyharvest suckers to help their spending programs). Me, I can't justify anything near that kind of price. Yeah, I've bought stuff at hamfests for more than the stuff was worth, but nowhere near $6000 for SX-115 levels. That is definitely crazy. So, as one of the posts, the less there is of a given piece of gear, the higher the cost. One of my pet peeves is the guy wanting a service manual copy for the cost of postage (maybe) when there are many sources for manuals for sale. I recently took on an old FT-101EE and found a complete service manual for $22.00. Without it I probably would not have been able to repair the rig, and have a very unhappy ham on my hands. Yes, I'm on a fixed income, but if you need something buy it and stop crying. Just my thought of the day! Some of my wisdom for the day: For a decade now, I have been going to used book sales where the price is usually a dollar for a hardback. My other hobby in my old age is reading history books, mainly ancient and medieval. Considering how many hours of "entertainment" (not to mention education from a non-fiction books) and enlightenment I get from each of nearly 200 books I've read in the last ten years for a total investment of $200, my opinion is that I'm getting much better bang for the buck on the books. I've spent a fair bit more on ham gear over the same period and have spent quite a lot less hours "playing with the knobs and switches." Another inexpensive but entertaining hobby is watching the birds and squirrels in my birdfeeders and hummingbird feeder. Probably about 30 cents per day and wife and I get live, commercial-free, no viruses/spyware, no-pet-problems, low maintenance entertainment. Sure, anyone can take thousands to tens of thousands of dollars (or use debt) for foolish expenses. And, there are guys out there that look for suckers every day. $6000 for an SX-115? When rich people bid up at Christies or Sotheby's, its for the purpose of driving up prices so they can donate at the end of a "run up" period and get a big tax write off, not because they _want_ that Picaso for bragging rights. Or, they also play "high-roller" social networking for entre'. Y'all think what you want. 73, Mike-K5VSE -- Formerly WB6VSE, Senior Tech. Amateur Division SBE/Linear Systems, Watsonville, CA On 3922 nearly every night. WEB Site: http://members.tripod.com/~sjsharks/index.html Restoring and using Drake Radios, TR-4, TR-4C, RV-4C, Drake Twins: "C" line, W-4 Wattmeter, L4-B amplifier APA 220, USS Okanogan, LSD31, USS Point Defiance All email scanned with Norton 2008 "In God We Trust" |
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Fred Cameron wrote:
Due to recovery from surgery, I missed responding to an interesting topic or thread a few weeks back lamenting the high prices for used equipment; my experience on here and other sites is that the person who asks for less than 50% of the new value for a piece of used equipment is a rare person. Even still I have purchased items with scratches and flaws that never were mentioned. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Excuse my cynicism, but it is a bit ironic that a person in their sunset years who is closer to leaving every earthly possession behind would have an inordinate affectionfor money and the tightest squeeze on things. It must be the pride of life stage, but the bubba with little more that a pair of Kmart shoes and a push mower to his name is the one who tends to be the most generous among, not those with worth! kicked one too many times when I was down on money in SC W4FCM Fred Hmmmmm. Wealth re-distribution? Boatanchor welfare? I think I've heard of those concepts somewhere else. Now, let me see....... de K3HVG |
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Well, in one respect, vintage equipment is a real bargain.
This past year I purchased a set of Heathkit SB-series amateur radio “twins” for the collective price of about $350. If you include related expenses need for getting the set on the air, the total cost was probably about $500. That’s in current dollars (2008). Accounting for inflation, this is equivalent to $80 in 1968, a year during which the same and equivalent items could be purchased. Going the other way, I’d say that in 1968, the same Heathkit station would have cost about $650, which in today’s dollars is about $4000. So, even if I had been ripped off and paid twice what I did this year, I still would have paid a low price. -Dave Drumheller, K3WQ |
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On Aug 14, 1:27*pm, wrote:
Well, in one respect, vintage equipment is a real bargain. This past year I purchased a set of Heathkit SB-series amateur radio “twins” for the collective price of about $350. *If you include related expenses need for getting the set on the air, the total cost was probably about $500. *That’s in current dollars (2008). Accounting for inflation, this is equivalent to $80 in 1968, a year during which the same and equivalent items could be purchased. *Going the other way, I’d say that in 1968, the same Heathkit station would have cost about $650, which in today’s dollars is about $4000. *So, even if I had been ripped off and paid twice what I did this year, I still would have paid a low price. -Dave Drumheller, K3WQ Am a bit older than most who have mentioned it here!!!! No problem; on eBay for example; see an item and before bidding decide, a) Do I really need/want it? Or am I just being nostagically old and foolish. b) If yes; what sort of cost limit am I prepared to go to. If bidding is 'brisk' do I want to go a 'little more' either in dollars or a percentage? Usually that answer 'no'. c) Forget about it. Noting however the price that it eventually sells for future info. d) End of discussion. |
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On Aug 14, 10:48*pm, terryS wrote:
Am a bit older than most who have mentioned it here!!!! No problem; on eBay for example; see an item and before bidding decide, a) Do I really need/want it? Or am I just being nostagically old and foolish. b) If yes; what sort of cost limit am I prepared to go to. If bidding is 'brisk' do I want to go a 'little more' either in dollars or a percentage? *Usually that answer 'no'. c) Forget about it. Noting however the price *that it eventually sells for future info. d) End of discussion. Yup--this is essentially the same approach I use for making Ebay purchases. Generally speaking, if bidding is brisk on an item I’m interested in, I’m not inclined to get in on the action. And that’s not a problem, because all I have to do is wait and sooner or later it pops up again. -Dave Drumheller, K3WQ |
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"terryS" wrote in message ... On Aug 14, 1:27 pm, wrote: .. a) Do I really need/want it? Or am I just being nostagically old and foolish. Nostalgia sometimes wears rose colored glasses :) I've bid foolishly on things from my radio past, only to discover what I remembered and the reality of how bad some of those radios really were are two different things. Pete |
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You seem to have an ageist problem, mate! I'm 68, and after major
hospitalisation am LESS greedy than ever before! Please bear in mind that you may well need a walker and bifocals in later years. You will want to be respected. I agree partly with your original point, but as so often it is spoilt by your age bias. Bias against old age is probably the least logical atttitude one can have as the perpetrator hopes to reach it himself/hersel! "Fred Cameron" wrote in message ... Harold, Get your walker, and please fetch those bifocals. I never equated age with honesty or dishonesty- only with becoming greedy and self-centered. It comes down to ones value system, but please, list every noticeable fault and then set the price to where the item is a bargin for someone- just like it is. Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Excuse my cynicism, but it is a bit ironic that a person in their sunset years who is closer to leaving every earthly possession behind would have an inordinate affectionfor money and the tightest squeeze on things. It must be the pride of life stage, but the bubba with little more that a pair of Kmart shoes and a push mower to his name is the one who tends to be the most generous among, not those with worth! kicked one too many times when I was down on money in SC W4FCM Fred Mr. Fred ,you are certainly entitled to an opinion, This opinion as stated only shows stupidity, being honest has nothing to due with age or position in life.People that work hard ,manage well,and make good decisions always seem to do better in this country..Ever notice that? W4PQW Harold |
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On Aug 5, 11:30 pm, Fred Cameron wrote: SNIP Anyone with money who is older than 60 will forever raise my suspicion when selling or repairing something for me. Outrageous! |
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