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LOOK AT Ebay item 130262773998...Heres a good example of what ham
radio has turned into.First,it is not legal to sell an amplifier that is capable of CB use..Second, Who would bid over $700 (and rising) for piece of junk ,a pig- in -the poke, It might work and it might not..They are using AMATEUR RADIO as a platform to sell this crap..Shame,Shame...Shame on us for allowing it to happen.. W4PQW |
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On 10/22/08 11:34 AM, in article ,
"Bert Hyman" wrote: (Don Bowey) wrote in : Ebay certainly makes it difficult to report things like this. Probably to save you the trouble of making a report they'll ignore anyway. At their peril. |
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On Oct 22, 12:59*pm, Don Bowey wrote:
On 10/22/08 4:24 AM, in article , " wrote: LOOK AT Ebay item 130262773998...Heres a good example of what ham radio has turned into.First,it is not legal to sell *an amplifier that is capable of CB use..Second, Who would bid over $700 *(and rising) for *piece of junk ,a pig- in -the poke, It might work and it might not..They are using AMATEUR RADIO as a platform to sell this crap..Shame,Shame...Shame on us for allowing it to happen.. W4PQW What do you mean "shame on us?" *I took time to report the SOB, did you? Also, why do you blame it on ham radio? *I see nothing NOTHING in the listing that points to a ham. Get your crap together before doing a similar post, jerk. Ebay certainly makes it difficult to report *things like this. *Elsewhere they say to report violations using the "report item" link that is in the item's page. *I spent about 10 minutes searching the page for the link. *It IS NOT THERE. *So went the long way into them and reported it. It is listed under Ham Radio,You can`t see that?..It`s Illegal ,next thing will be Counterfit money and bootleg whisky.. I have reported this activity several times ,nothing changes... From your statement I believe YOU may be part of the problem,at least willing to ignore it..This is NOT good for ham radio ..I care about that,You should too.JERK |
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wrote in message ... LOOK AT Ebay item 130262773998...Heres a good example of what ham radio has turned into.First,it is not legal to sell an amplifier that is capable of CB use..Second, Who would bid over $700 (and rising) for piece of junk ,a pig- in -the poke, It might work and it might not..They are using AMATEUR RADIO as a platform to sell this crap..Shame,Shame...Shame on us for allowing it to happen.. W4PQW Didn't the FCC rescind the ban on 10 meter amplifiers? pete |
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"Kevin Dooks" wrote in message ... On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:02:30 -0400, "Tio Pedro" wrote: What's the big deal anyway, any clod who can use a soldering iron without doing him/herself a serious injury can BUILD an 11/10 Meter amp, all ya need is a schematic and some $$ for parts 1: Legality 2: Spectral Purity 3: Collateral damage to other services a. making once legal products illegal b. unlicensed pirates on ham frequencies. Isn't that enough? |
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Ebay doesn't care.
They have won in court against illegal knockoffs and counterfeit items and is only recently banning ivory due to political pressure, not legalities. Anyways, why do you care? I know a tonne of DIY'ers capable of making these that would exceed FCC and UL spec and they never had a ham license. The "Old Boy's Club" is gone, sorry. Cheers! |
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On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:02:30 -0400, "Tio Pedro"
wrote: wrote in message ... LOOK AT Ebay item 130262773998...Heres a good example of what ham radio has turned into.First,it is not legal to sell an amplifier that is capable of CB use..Second, Who would bid over $700 (and rising) for piece of junk ,a pig- in -the poke, It might work and it might not..They are using AMATEUR RADIO as a platform to sell this crap..Shame,Shame...Shame on us for allowing it to happen.. W4PQW Didn't the FCC rescind the ban on 10 meter amplifiers? pete What's the big deal anyway, any clod who can use a soldering iron without doing him/herself a serious injury can BUILD an 11/10 Meter amp, all ya need is a schematic and some $$ for parts |
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geek wrote:
Ebay doesn't care. They have won in court against illegal knockoffs and counterfeit items and is only recently banning ivory due to political pressure, not legalities. This is sadly true. Ebay does take illegal linears more seriously than most things, but it's true that if a person is a big seller that makes a lot of money for Ebay they seem willing to look the other way on just about anything. Anyways, why do you care? I know a tonne of DIY'ers capable of making these that would exceed FCC and UL spec and they never had a ham license. Oh, I am sure they would exceed FCC specs... by about 996 watts. The "Old Boy's Club" is gone, sorry. That doesn't mean illegal activity should be condoned, sorry. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On Oct 23, 9:34*am, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
geek wrote: Ebay doesn't care. They have won in court against illegal knockoffs and counterfeit items and is only recently banning ivory due to political pressure, not legalities.. This is sadly true. *Ebay does take illegal linears more seriously than most things, but it's true that if a person is a big seller that makes a lot of money for Ebay they seem willing to look the other way on just about anything. Anyways, why do you care? I know a tonne of DIY'ers capable of making these that would exceed FCC and UL spec and they never had a ham license. Oh, I am sure they would exceed FCC specs... by about 996 watts. The "Old Boy's Club" is gone, sorry. That doesn't mean illegal activity should be condoned, sorry. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. *C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." Well, It seems that most of the Hams are of the same mindset as the average american public,"Whats in it for me",,Who cares..So ,it`s illegal ,so what, ...Let me try to explain my position,, I worked hard to get my license,60 tears ago, I have been able to use it to contribute a small bit to society,to disaster communications, ,civil defense,public service like phone patchs for American service men in far away places etc,etc...The federal government does not OWE me a license OR frequencies to operate on..At this point in time, with all the sattelite and worldwide communications systems that we have in use today, WHAT DOES HAM RADIO HAVE TO OFFER THAT THE WORLD NEEDS?? NOTHING,NOTHING...How long will we be able to abuse the system and go un-noticed? If these bootleggers are allowed to mix their Illegal junk in with bonafied ham radio , where is it all headed? look around,You don`t see this.. ,FOR SALE: CB amplifier runs1000 watts on citizens band,no license needed.You do see this.. HAM AMPLIFIER ,,ON TEN METERS , runs 1000 watts output with 2 watts input...Maybe you get it,maybe you don1t,,,who cares ,,,,my last post on the subject ...W4PQW |
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Don Bowey wrote:
There is a LARGE difference between (A) caring that CB is being used as a illegal profit center and (B) feeling that I should share some guilt for it. I don't feel any guilt, but I feel a whole lot of shame. I live in a country where truck stops can hang out a big sign saying "Stop In When You're Ready For a Big Radio" and CB shops can set up a continuous tape loop advertising illegal linears on channel 19. This is shameful. Yes, it's true that you and I can do nothing about it, and the FCC is unwilling to do anything about it. And THAT is what is shameful. And the folks that we keep electing into public office don't care. And that is even more shameful. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 10/23/08 10:07 AM, in article , "Scott
Dorsey" wrote: Don Bowey wrote: There is a LARGE difference between (A) caring that CB is being used as a illegal profit center and (B) feeling that I should share some guilt for it. I don't feel any guilt, but I feel a whole lot of shame. I live in a country where truck stops can hang out a big sign saying "Stop In When You're Ready For a Big Radio" and CB shops can set up a continuous tape loop advertising illegal linears on channel 19. This is shameful. Yes, it's true that you and I can do nothing about it, and the FCC is unwilling to do anything about it. And THAT is what is shameful. And the folks that we keep electing into public office don't care. And that is even more shameful. --scott I agree, and feel a lot of anger about it. When we have laws, the laws need to be enforced lest it send a message that says no laws are important, making matters worse. But it still is not a ham problem. |
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Don Bowey wrote:
I agree, and feel a lot of anger about it. When we have laws, the laws need to be enforced lest it send a message that says no laws are important, making matters worse. But it still is not a ham problem. Oh, no, it's not a ham problem at all. It's MUCH worse than just that. --scott And the discount stores selling touch lamps that flagrantly violate Part 15 emission regulations are EVEN WORSE. -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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I agree, and feel a lot of anger about it. When we have laws, the laws
need to be enforced lest it send a message that says no laws are important, making matters worse. But it still is not a ham problem. Oh, no, it's not a ham problem at all. It's MUCH worse than just that. --scott And the discount stores selling touch lamps that flagrantly violate Part 15 emission regulations are EVEN WORSE. -- Then there are laws that are stupid, but no one can vote them down because they sound too good to be true. These are the laws that everyone breaks but rats each other out on until it cripples production to the extent that we are forced to import! |
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wrote:
Well, It seems that most of the Hams are of the same mindset as the average american public,"Whats in it for me",,Who cares..So ,it`s illegal ,so what, ...Let me try to explain my position,, I worked hard to get my license,60 tears ago, I have been able to use it to contribute a small bit to society,to disaster communications, ,civil defense,public service like phone patchs for American service men in far away places etc,etc...The federal government does not OWE me a license OR frequencies to operate on..At this point in time, with all the sattelite and worldwide communications systems that we have in use today, WHAT DOES HAM RADIO HAVE TO OFFER THAT THE WORLD NEEDS?? NOTHING,NOTHING...How long will we be able to abuse the system and go un-noticed? If these bootleggers are allowed to mix their Illegal junk in with bonafied ham radio , where is it all headed? look around,You don`t see this.. ,FOR SALE: CB amplifier runs1000 watts on citizens band,no license needed.You do see this.. HAM AMPLIFIER ,,ON TEN METERS , runs 1000 watts output with 2 watts input...Maybe you get it,maybe you don1t,,,who cares ,,,,my last post on the subject ...W4PQW Rspectfully, what are you doing about it? If it is an illegal amplifier, you can email Ebay and the F.C.C. with the same email. Here's a start: http://www.fcc.gov/contacts.html I suspect that if both places get the same message then Ebay might just be more interested in setting things right. I've seen them take plenty of Amplifier Ad's down, to the point where some legitimate amps are delisted. IIRC an older SB-200 that would work on 10 meters as-built. Anyhow, what are you going to do, just tell us how Hams are so awful today, (to which I most respectfully and vehemently disagree) or turn em in? A thought... Just complaining to a newsgroup and doing nothing is the functional equivalent of accepting it and doing nothing There are bad guys out there. It is our job to root 'em out. - 73 de Mike N3LI - |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 08:46:06 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: -snip- You don`t see this.. ,FOR SALE: CB amplifier runs1000 watts on citizens band,no license needed.You do see this.. HAM AMPLIFIER ,,ON TEN METERS , runs 1000 watts output with 2 watts input...Maybe you get it,maybe you don1t,,,who cares ,,,,my last post on the subject ...W4PQW When one gets the "it" what should their feelings be about any amplifier, commercial or homebrew, that covers 10M? 73 de n4jvp |
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On Thu, 23 Oct 2008 06:10:19 -0400, "Tio Pedro"
wrote: "Kevin Dooks" wrote in message .. . On Wed, 22 Oct 2008 21:02:30 -0400, "Tio Pedro" wrote: What's the big deal anyway, any clod who can use a soldering iron without doing him/herself a serious injury can BUILD an 11/10 Meter amp, all ya need is a schematic and some $$ for parts 1: Legality 2: Spectral Purity 3: Collateral damage to other services a. making once legal products illegal b. unlicensed pirates on ham frequencies. Isn't that enough? 1: Legality, hmm the 'Legality' of amps is purely an arbitrary decision made by the (laughable) powers that (try) to be. 2: Any half-ways decently built amp, ss or tube, has reasonably clean output provided it is properly adjusted, the driving signal is clean and the amp isn't overdriven. I know, lots of conditions. 3: See above answer. a. See 1 above. b. Finally a valid point and one with which I am in COMPLETE agreement! Buily my first ss amp at 14 from a Motorola data book 150 Wo 80 thru 10, my first tube amp from an ARRL handbook, 1983 I think. 500 Wi, also 80 thru 10. Ya GOTTA love sweep tubes !! |
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If either of you cared one iota about amateur radio you would stop calling each other jerks and perhaps grow up a little! -- M0WYM www.radiowymsey.org Sign today! http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/SaveShortwave/ |
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If either of you cared one iota about amateur radio you would stop calling each other jerks and perhaps grow up a little! -- M0WYM Hear Hear! W4ZCB |
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On 10/25/08 6:09 AM, in article , "M0WYM"
wrote: If either of you cared one iota about amateur radio you would stop calling each other jerks and perhaps grow up a little! You're an idiot. |
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On 10/25/08 6:21 AM, in article Q3FMk.349398$TT4.71093@attbi_s22, "Harold E.
Johnson" wrote: If either of you cared one iota about amateur radio you would stop calling each other jerks and perhaps grow up a little! -- M0WYM Hear Hear! W4ZCB Silly kids. |
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On Sat, 25 Oct 2008 08:29:44 -0700, Don Bowey wrote:
On 10/25/08 6:09 AM, in article , "M0WYM" wrote: If either of you cared one iota about amateur radio you would stop calling each other jerks and perhaps grow up a little! You're an idiot. Sorry, you whiners are. I've been following this thread and you whiny hams sure make a good case why the ham bands should go to BPL usage. |
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If either of you cared one iota about amateur radio you would stop
calling each other jerks and perhaps grow up a little! You're an idiot. Sorry, you whiners are. I've been following this thread and you whiny hams sure make a good case why the ham bands should go to BPL usage. The great majority of hams pass these posts by because there is no interest there for the regular hams. You will find fringe types in all hobbies. This whole thread is a troll to help advertise a shady procuct (no longer listed/probably sold) to a selected defective non-ham interest group. |
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On 10/26/08 7:57 AM, in article , "JB"
wrote: If either of you cared one iota about amateur radio you would stop calling each other jerks and perhaps grow up a little! You're an idiot. Sorry, you whiners are. I've been following this thread and you whiny hams sure make a good case why the ham bands should go to BPL usage. The great majority of hams pass these posts by because there is no interest there for the regular hams. You will find fringe types in all hobbies. This whole thread is a troll to help advertise a shady procuct (no longer listed/probably sold) to a selected defective non-ham interest group. If you use the item number you can still see the item. It did not sell. According to the owner, the minimum was not met, but I see another story. His other listings have been pulled, so I think Ebay got this guy thanks to those who took time to report the illegal auction. |
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This whole thread is a troll to help advertise a shady
procuct (no longer listed/probably sold) to a selected defective non-ham interest group. If you use the item number you can still see the item. It did not sell. According to the owner, the minimum was not met, but I see another story. His other listings have been pulled, so I think Ebay got this guy thanks to those who took time to report the illegal auction. I also noticed he was buying stuff from Henry Radio, so he did at least do some of the manufacture.so no amount of self-serving tricks and excuses can save him from prosecution. |
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On Sun, 26 Oct 2008 14:57:24 +0000, JB wrote:
If either of you cared one iota about amateur radio you would stop calling each other jerks and perhaps grow up a little! You're an idiot. Sorry, you whiners are. I've been following this thread and you whiny hams sure make a good case why the ham bands should go to BPL usage. The great majority of hams pass these posts by because there is no interest there for the regular hams. You will find fringe types in all hobbies. This whole thread is a troll to help advertise a shady procuct (no longer listed/probably sold) to a selected defective non-ham interest group. You are correct. My humble apologies to the sane hams out there. Cheers! |
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