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"Piero Soldi" wrote in message
news Hi,
probably a gassy 6H6 ?

Cheers,
P.

Thanks. Yes, I thought that possible but according to my AVO 160, no gas
on any valves! I'll try that again with some replacements...
Further to that Peiro, there is no provision on either of my valve testers
to test diodes for gas! I always understood that was a problem if there was
grid current but of course in a 6H6 there are no grids!

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"Piero Soldi" wrote in message
news Hi,
probably a gassy 6H6 ?

Cheers,
P.
Thanks. Yes, I thought that possible but according to my AVO 160, no gas
on any valves! I'll try that again with some replacements...
Further to that Peiro, there is no provision on either of my valve testers
to test diodes for gas! I always understood that was a problem if there was
grid current but of course in a 6H6 there are no grids!



Also a gassy diode can make havoc in a very high impedance circuit like
the AVC of AR88 ( note resistor's values ! ) .

If slightly ionized inside, the *reverse* resistance is much lower than
normal, as some positive ions are bombing 6H6's cathode.

Try exchanging it using the limiter tube, also a 6H6, and redo
measurements, if something different, try another 6H6.

Sometimes old *new* tubes need to be "formed" before use activating
residual getter inside applying filament only, for a very long time,
like 48 hours and after that some other time wth plate voltage on !

HTH,
Piero.

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MoiInAust ha scritto:
"MoiInAust" wrote in message
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"Piero Soldi" wrote in message
news Hi,
probably a gassy 6H6 ?

Cheers,
P.
Thanks. Yes, I thought that possible but according to my AVO 160, no gas
on any valves! I'll try that again with some replacements...
Further to that Peiro, there is no provision on either of my valve
testers to test diodes for gas! I always understood that was a problem
if there was grid current but of course in a 6H6 there are no grids!

Also a gassy diode can make havoc in a very high impedance circuit like
the AVC of AR88 ( note resistor's values ! ) .

If slightly ionized inside, the *reverse* resistance is much lower than
normal, as some positive ions are bombing 6H6's cathode.

Try exchanging it using the limiter tube, also a 6H6, and redo
measurements, if something different, try another 6H6.

Sometimes old *new* tubes need to be "formed" before use activating
residual getter inside applying filament only, for a very long time,
like 48 hours and after that some other time wth plate voltage on !

HTH,
Piero.



Well that's something new I learned! I've got a few and will try different
ones! Thanks heaps!

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"Piero Soldi" wrote in message
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"MoiInAust" wrote in message
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"Piero Soldi" wrote in message
news Hi,
probably a gassy 6H6 ?

Cheers,
P.
Thanks. Yes, I thought that possible but according to my AVO 160, no
gas on any valves! I'll try that again with some replacements...
Further to that Peiro, there is no provision on either of my valve
testers to test diodes for gas! I always understood that was a problem
if there was grid current but of course in a 6H6 there are no grids!

Also a gassy diode can make havoc in a very high impedance circuit like
the AVC of AR88 ( note resistor's values ! ) .

If slightly ionized inside, the *reverse* resistance is much lower than
normal, as some positive ions are bombing 6H6's cathode.

Try exchanging it using the limiter tube, also a 6H6, and redo
measurements, if something different, try another 6H6.

Sometimes old *new* tubes need to be "formed" before use activating
residual getter inside applying filament only, for a very long time,
like 48 hours and after that some other time wth plate voltage on !

HTH,
Piero.



Well that's something new I learned! I've got a few and will try
different ones! Thanks heaps!
Well, all 5 valves (tubes!) that I have -- 2 of them new -- gave the same
results. So, still puzzled...

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"Piero Soldi" wrote in message
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MoiInAust ha scritto:
"MoiInAust" wrote in message
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"Piero Soldi" wrote in message
news Hi,
probably a gassy 6H6 ?

Cheers,
P.
Thanks. Yes, I thought that possible but according to my AVO 160, no
gas on any valves! I'll try that again with some replacements...
Further to that Peiro, there is no provision on either of my valve
testers to test diodes for gas! I always understood that was a problem
if there was grid current but of course in a 6H6 there are no grids!
Also a gassy diode can make havoc in a very high impedance circuit like
the AVC of AR88 ( note resistor's values ! ) .

If slightly ionized inside, the *reverse* resistance is much lower than
normal, as some positive ions are bombing 6H6's cathode.

Try exchanging it using the limiter tube, also a 6H6, and redo
measurements, if something different, try another 6H6.

Sometimes old *new* tubes need to be "formed" before use activating
residual getter inside applying filament only, for a very long time,
like 48 hours and after that some other time wth plate voltage on !

HTH,
Piero.



Well that's something new I learned! I've got a few and will try
different ones! Thanks heaps!
Well, all 5 valves (tubes!) that I have -- 2 of them new -- gave the same
results. So, still puzzled...



OK, nothing useful.

When you have restored the capacitors and resistors, substituted any
valve ? If so, check for a *slightly* gassy one !
( RF amplifiers, mixer, MF amplifiers )

Cleaned carefully where soldered new components ?

Capacitors are of the *best* type ? ( low loss types ).

Impedances are very high, a current of 3 *microAmp* is nothing with a
grid resistance of 100 KOhm, but with a 5 MOhm, became noticeable.

Wires are well insulated ? No cracks or degrading rubber ?

Cheers,
Piero.

Hi Piero

Many thnaks for your ongoing hep re this. I have interleaved comments in
your posting ***

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"Piero Soldi" wrote in message
news Hi,
probably a gassy 6H6 ?

Cheers,
P.
Thanks. Yes, I thought that possible but according to my AVO 160, no
gas on any valves! I'll try that again with some replacements...
Further to that Peiro, there is no provision on either of my valve
testers to test diodes for gas! I always understood that was a
problem if there was grid current but of course in a 6H6 there are no
grids!
Also a gassy diode can make havoc in a very high impedance circuit like
the AVC of AR88 ( note resistor's values ! ) .

If slightly ionized inside, the *reverse* resistance is much lower than
normal, as some positive ions are bombing 6H6's cathode.

Try exchanging it using the limiter tube, also a 6H6, and redo
measurements, if something different, try another 6H6.

Sometimes old *new* tubes need to be "formed" before use activating
residual getter inside applying filament only, for a very long time,
like 48 hours and after that some other time wth plate voltage on !

HTH,
Piero.



Well that's something new I learned! I've got a few and will try
different ones! Thanks heaps!
Well, all 5 valves (tubes!) that I have -- 2 of them new -- gave the same
results. So, still puzzled...

OK, nothing useful.

When you have restored the capacitors and resistors, substituted any
valve ? If so, check for a *slightly* gassy one !
( RF amplifiers, mixer, MF amplifiers )

*** Many new valves BUT I have disconnected the AVC line from V1,2,5,6 and
there is absolutely NO current flow across that gap or chnage in the wrond
voltage at V8, so I think we can rule out gassy valves?

Cleaned carefully where soldered new components ?

Capacitors are of the *best* type ? ( low loss types ).

*** They are a darned sight better than the leaky (in both ways!) tubs that
I removed.

Impedances are very high, a current of 3 *microAmp* is nothing with a
grid resistance of 100 KOhm, but with a 5 MOhm, became noticeable.

Wires are well insulated ? No cracks or degrading rubber ?

*** not to allow foreign contact

Cheers,
Piero.

*** still scratching skull (hair out!)

MoiInAust ha scritto:
Hi Piero

Many thnaks for your ongoing hep re this. I have interleaved comments in
your posting .

When you have restored the capacitors and resistors, substituted any
valve ? If so, check for a *slightly* gassy one !
( RF amplifiers, mixer, MF amplifiers )

*** Many new valves BUT I have disconnected the AVC line from V1,2,5,6 and
there is absolutely NO current flow across that gap or chnage in the wrond
voltage at V8, so I think we can rule out gassy valves?
Cleaned carefully where soldered new components ?

Capacitors are of the *best* type ? ( low loss types ).

*** They are a darned sight better than the leaky (in both ways!) tubs that
I removed.

Impedances are very high, a current of 3 *microAmp* is nothing with a
grid resistance of 100 KOhm, but with a 5 MOhm, became noticeable.

Wires are well insulated ? No cracks or degrading rubber ?

*** not to allow foreign contact
Cheers,
Piero.

*** still scratching skull (hair out!)



OK, make some measures.

With a VTVM or other *high* impedance voltmeter, make a reading at
juncton between R43 and C97 ( 4uF ) and chassis ground.

Must be approximately *minus* 3-4 volt.

Again, make a measure at junction between pot R46 pin 3 with R55 and
chassis.

Must be approximately *minus* 0,3-0,4 volt.

After done, post readings.

HTH,
Piero.