Help withh ART-13
 

Could an ART-13 owner please confirm that that radio works in this way:

- PHONE mode: when the switch is in either TUNE or OPERATE, the dynamotor only
runs when the microphone PTT or the CW key or the TEST switch are operated. With
the switch in CALIBRATE the dynamotor runs continuously

- CW mode: whatever you do, the dynamotor runs continuously.

Thanks for your help.

Tony I0JX
Rome, Italy

Help withh ART-13
 

Le 13/07/2010 21:23, Antonio Vernucci a écrit :
Could an ART-13 owner please confirm that that radio works in this way:

- PHONE mode: when the switch is in either TUNE or OPERATE, the
dynamotor only runs when the microphone PTT or the CW key or the TEST
switch are operated. With the switch in CALIBRATE the dynamotor runs
continuously

- CW mode: whatever you do, the dynamotor runs continuously.

Thanks for your help.

Tony I0JX
Rome, Italy


Mine has the same behavior, and the technical manual says that it's the
way it works so no problem.

Furthermore it seems rather logical as in A.M. mode the H.T.s are only
required when the mike paddle is depressed... The dynamotor speed settle
time is acceptable in this mode but try to figure out the dynamotor
being turned on and off at the keying speed in CW!

Hope this helps,


Thierry
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Help withh ART-13
 

Mine has the same behavior, and the technical manual says that it's the way it
works so no problem.

Furthermore it seems rather logical as in A.M. mode the H.T.s are only
required when the mike paddle is depressed... The dynamotor speed settle time
is acceptable in this mode but try to figure out the dynamotor being turned on
and off at the keying speed in CW!

Hope this helps,


Thierry
--

Thanks for information. OK for CW, though for AM it gives me a strange feeling
to hear the dynamotor starting every time I push the microphone PTT. In the
BC-191 / BC 375 the dynamotor instead runs continuously, either CW or AM.

I have built an AC power supply for my ART-13 and I must now adapt its control
logic to that of the ART-13, which is not immediate to understand because the
schematic diagram is not easy to read (so many relays ...) and the service
manual describes things using a rather odd sentence structure, difficult to
follow. I do not succeed to get the antenna relay energized in any way, so I
fear I'll have quite a hard time in the near future to have it in working order.

73

Tony I0JX
Rome, Italy

Help withh ART-13
 

Le 15/07/2010 20:48, Antonio Vernucci a écrit :
Mine has the same behavior, and the technical manual says that it's
the way it works so no problem.

Furthermore it seems rather logical as in A.M. mode the H.T.s are only
required when the mike paddle is depressed... The dynamotor speed
settle time is acceptable in this mode but try to figure out the
dynamotor being turned on and off at the keying speed in CW!

Hope this helps,


Thierry
--

Thanks for information. OK for CW, though for AM it gives me a strange
feeling to hear the dynamotor starting every time I push the microphone
PTT. In the BC-191 / BC 375 the dynamotor instead runs continuously,
either CW or AM.

I have built an AC power supply for my ART-13 and I must now adapt its
control logic to that of the ART-13, which is not immediate to
understand because the schematic diagram is not easy to read (so many
relays ...) and the service manual describes things using a rather odd
sentence structure, difficult to follow. I do not succeed to get the
antenna relay energized in any way, so I fear I'll have quite a hard
time in the near future to have it in working order.

73

Tony I0JX
Rome, Italy

You're welcome, it's always a pleasure to have an opportunity to read or
to talk about this wonder.

About the behaviour of the dynamotors on the wwii US transmitters I can
add that on the BC604-684 it also goes on and off depending of the ptt
or tune button.

I must say that I've not powered up my T-13 for a while, about 22
years... A true shame. I've got all the components including a very
strong 19" rack to build an AC P.S. in storage, waiting for the right
day to come as the dynamotor seems to be a little too much an outdated
item by today's comfort, noise and energy savings standards.

In fact I'm still hoping to have enough spare time someday to get a
license to use this Tx. as it should be, not only to power up a dummy load.

I'll have a look in my documentation as I believe I could have some
schematics showing the connections required on/between plugs to operate
the Collins with a separate mains supply.

Also, I would be glad to know if you've got any help from ICP for your
RF ammeter?


73,

Thierry



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Help withh ART-13
 

On Jul 16, 4:48*am, "Antonio Vernucci" wrote:
Mine has the same behavior, and the technical manual says that it's the way it
works so no problem.

Furthermore it seems rather logical as in A.M. mode the H.T.s are only
required when the mike paddle is depressed... The dynamotor speed settle time
is acceptable in this mode but try to figure out the dynamotor being turned on
and off at the keying speed in CW!

Hope this helps,

Thierry
--

Thanks for information. OK for CW, though for AM it gives me a strange feeling
to hear the dynamotor starting every time I push the microphone PTT. In the
BC-191 / BC 375 the dynamotor instead runs continuously, either CW or AM.

I have built an AC power supply for my ART-13 and I must now adapt its control
logic to that of the ART-13, which is not immediate to understand because the
schematic diagram is not easy to read (so many relays ...) and the service
manual describes things using a rather odd sentence structure, difficult to
follow. I do not succeed to get the antenna relay energized in any way, so I
fear I'll have quite a hard time in the near future to have it in working order.

73

Tony I0JX
Rome, Italy

I have the ART-13's 1950s descendant, the Collins 618S (ARC-38). This
has the same dynamotor behavior as the ART-13 - it runs continuously
when in CW mode. This is quite normal; when in AM mode the dynamotor
runs *only* in xmit mode. In the 618S B+ voltages for the xmit and
modulator
are generated by the dynamotor, B+ (and B-) for the rest of the system
is derived from the 115V 400 Hz supply. On my 618S I run the filaments
from a filtered 27.5V DC supply, the dynamotor from raw DC. This is
accomplished by minor rewiring of the 416W-1 power supply; it's
probably easier on an ART-13.

John VK3XAO

Help withh ART-13
 

You're welcome, it's always a pleasure to have an opportunity to read or to
talk about this wonder.

About the behaviour of the dynamotors on the wwii US transmitters I can add
that on the BC604-684 it also goes on and off depending of the ptt or tune
button.

I must say that I've not powered up my T-13 for a while, about 22 years... A
true shame. I've got all the components including a very strong 19" rack to
build an AC P.S. in storage, waiting for the right day to come as the
dynamotor seems to be a little too much an outdated item by today's comfort,
noise and energy savings standards.

In fact I'm still hoping to have enough spare time someday to get a license to
use this Tx. as it should be, not only to power up a dummy load.

I'll have a look in my documentation as I believe I could have some schematics
showing the connections required on/between plugs to operate the Collins with
a separate mains supply.

Also, I would be glad to know if you've got any help from ICP for your RF
ammeter?


73,

Thierry

I contacted ICP but they do not have a spare meter to sell. Anyway I restored my
meter in some way. The thermocouple had blown up, so I replaced it with a 5-ohm
resistor across which I put a Shottky diode which measures RF voltage and,
hence, RF current. It works fine and I adjusted it for 250mA full scale, as the
original meter. Clearly the scale is not the same, but it is OK until I will
find a spare meter. Another uncertaintly is the resistor value, which should
ideally be the same as the original thermocouple, but I do not know how much it
was.

Yesterday I was able to finally get my ART-13 working. It delivers about 140 RF
on 7 MHz. Everything seems to work fine including the auto-tune system. Next
step will be to hook it up to a BC-348 receiver.

I am using a home-built power supply instead of the original dynamotor which is
very noisy. Not difficult to build. I have a transformer connected to a voltage
doubler which delivers about 1300V. Another transformer connected to a bridge
rectifier delivers about 400VDC. And finally the filament transformer connected
to a high-current bridge rectifier which delivers 28VDC at 9A. Plus two control
relays. Connections are rather easy. The only issue is to get the connector for
the ART-13 which is quite expensive (they typically sell it for about 50$).

In Italy we use the frequency of 7.190 kHz for AM, and one can find there many
AM aficionados on saturdays and sundays. I normally use a BC-191 hooked up to a
BC-312 receiver, and now I would like to try my ART-13 + BC-348.

73

Tony I0JX

Help withh ART-13
 

I have the ART-13's 1950s descendant, the Collins 618S (ARC-38). This
has the same dynamotor behavior as the ART-13 - it runs continuously
when in CW mode. This is quite normal; when in AM mode the dynamotor
runs *only* in xmit mode. In the 618S B+ voltages for the xmit and
modulator
are generated by the dynamotor, B+ (and B-) for the rest of the system
is derived from the 115V 400 Hz supply. On my 618S I run the filaments
from a filtered 27.5V DC supply, the dynamotor from raw DC. This is
accomplished by minor rewiring of the 416W-1 power supply; it's
probably easier on an ART-13.

John VK3XAO

Yes, looking to the schematic diagram, I see a relay that interrupts high
voltage (+1250VDC) on the modulator tubes plate circuit when one runs CW. So
having the dynamotor continuously running is no problem, because the modulator
tubes would draw no current anyway.

When in AM instead, there would in principle be two alternatives:

- to have the dynamotor running continuosly. But they should then have a relay
which removes plate voltage from the modulator tubes during receive, so as to
avoid a useless power consumption from the battery. Such arrangement could cause
high voltage spikes in the relay and/or modulation transformer

- to instead have the dynamotor running only during xmit

Evidently they selected the second one.

As to the power supply, I preferred to build a power supply fully replacing the
dynamotor which is too noisy. Anyway feeding the dynamotor with raw (unfiltered)
DC seems to me a good idea if one wants to use the dynamotor without a battery.

73

Tony I0JX

Help withh ART-13
 

On Jul 18, 8:30*pm, "Antonio Vernucci" wrote:
I have the ART-13's 1950s descendant, the Collins 618S (ARC-38). This
has the same dynamotor behavior as the ART-13 - it runs continuously
when in CW mode. This is quite normal; when in AM mode the dynamotor
runs *only* in xmit mode. In the 618S B+ voltages for the xmit and
modulator
are generated by the dynamotor, B+ (and B-) for the rest of the system
is derived from the 115V 400 Hz supply. On my 618S I run the filaments
from a filtered 27.5V DC supply, the dynamotor from raw DC. This is
accomplished by minor rewiring of the 416W-1 power supply; it's
probably easier on an ART-13.

John VK3XAO



- to instead have the dynamotor running only during xmit

Evidently they selected the second one.

As to the power supply, I preferred to build a power supply fully replacing the
dynamotor which is too noisy. Anyway feeding the dynamotor with raw (unfiltered)
DC seems to me a good idea if one wants to use the dynamotor without a battery.

73

Tony I0JX

Understand your desire not to have dynamotor noise nearby. The 618S
dynamotor is rather smooth and quiet, to me at least. When installed
in Boeing 707's, the dynamotor power supply 416W-1 was replaced by a
208V 3-phase 400 Hz input power supply, the 416W-3. More reliable than
416W-1. DC input to the dynamotor is ~ 20A @ 27.5V DC from a 27.5V
750W supply - no batteries in the system.

John VK3XAO