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Is there any interest in this newsgroup in Heathkits that are NOT
amateur radio products? I have some that I no longer want: AR-15 Stereo Receiver QM-1 Q Meter CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator IT-12 Signal Tracer V-7A VTVM All are clean, include manuals, and were working when last used. John -- Please reply in this newsgroup. I never post my true email address to prevent spam. Thank you. |
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... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC |
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wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. -- Jim Pennino |
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... gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. But the monitors these days are LCD and not CRT. The days of static convergence, dynamic convergence, pin cushion, etc are gone. |
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wrote in message ... gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. But the monitors these days are LCD and not CRT. The new ones likely are but the vast, already installed, base is not. The days of static convergence, dynamic convergence, pin cushion, etc are gone. Essentially irrelevant; when checking out such a system about the only thing that matters is a known, stable video of something. Apparently you have never worked on a CCTV system; a known, stable, and portable source of video is a handy thing to have when troubleshooting. -- Jim Pennino |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. -- Jim Pennino |
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On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. And BTW - we do it over the existing coax. No "miles of cable" are replaced. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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Is there any interest in this newsgroup in Heathkits that are NOT amateur radio products? I have some that I no longer want: AR-15 Stereo Receiver QM-1 Q Meter CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator IT-12 Signal Tracer V-7A VTVM All are clean, include manuals, and were working when last used. I'd be interested in the signal tracer, I keep meaning to build one myself and never have. Please reply in this newsgroup. I never post my true email address to prevent spam. Thank you. Now I am cluttering up the group with a personal reply. That's kind of rude, isn't it? --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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says... Is there any interest in this newsgroup in Heathkits that are NOT amateur radio products? I have some that I no longer want: AR-15 Stereo Receiver QM-1 Q Meter CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator IT-12 Signal Tracer V-7A VTVM All are clean, include manuals, and were working when last used. John Call this guy, he has an amazing collection of Heathkit stuff. I would love to hear the negotiations on price. http://www.jerryscb.com/ -- BDK- Head Government Shill. Former Black Helicopter Color CONsultant. |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. I am describing systems I personally know of and deal with, so no, I am not "wrong". Digital cameras are only installed for new construction and the quality of the digital video is no better than the analog video as the analog cameras were high quality video since day 1. Your experience and situation may be different. And BTW - we do it over the existing coax. No "miles of cable" are replaced. Such is not possible for many reasons in the systems I deal with, and yes, there are literally hundreds of miles of cable. -- Jim Pennino |
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On 5/26/2014 1:17 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. I am describing systems I personally know of and deal with, so no, I am not "wrong". I am describing systems my company interacts with daily. And yes, you are "wrong". Digital cameras are only installed for new construction and the quality of the digital video is no better than the analog video as the analog cameras were high quality video since day 1. Again, wrong. As I indicated, probably 1/3 of our camera installations are replacing analog cameras with digital ones. The number of analog cameras we installed last year could be counted on both hands. Digital, OTOH (including replacements) are a lot. Your experience and situation may be different. They definitely are. We are in the commercial business. And BTW - we do it over the existing coax. No "miles of cable" are replaced. Such is not possible for many reasons in the systems I deal with, and yes, there are literally hundreds of miles of cable. You are obviously not familiar with HDBASE-T - which is a recognized standard, just like HDMI, and is supported by multiple manufacturers. Depending on the manufacturer, it is quite easy to send up to 4 IP cameras over one coax up to 1,500 ft. - farther than analog cameras will go. And if you need more, there are any number of solutions - all over coax. I don't know what you deal with - but it's obviously not the current state of the art. Sounds like something out of the 1980's (or before). -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle ================== |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/26/2014 1:17 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. I am describing systems I personally know of and deal with, so no, I am not "wrong". I am describing systems my company interacts with daily. And yes, you are "wrong". You are talking about what you are involved in and I am talking about what I am involved in. From my perspective it is YOU that is wrong. snip Digital cameras are only installed for new construction and the quality of the digital video is no better than the analog video as the analog cameras were high quality video since day 1. Again, wrong. Nope, it is exactly what is happening with the systems I am involved in. Obviously you are wrong. snip Your experience and situation may be different. They definitely are. We are in the commercial business. I am not. Here'a clue; the 2014 budget for the sub-organization I deal with is $21.1 B. Yes, that is a 'B'. And BTW - we do it over the existing coax. No "miles of cable" are replaced. Such is not possible for many reasons in the systems I deal with, and yes, there are literally hundreds of miles of cable. You are obviously not familiar with HDBASE-T - which is a recognized standard, just like HDMI, and is supported by multiple manufacturers. Depending on the manufacturer, it is quite easy to send up to 4 IP cameras over one coax up to 1,500 ft. - farther than analog cameras will go. What part of "miles" is it you fail to understand? And of course there is more than just miles of of video cable and the stuff to get the video to go for miles. There is also miles of the multidrop, 1200 baud twisted pair copper for PTZ. And if you need more, there are any number of solutions - all over coax. I don't know what you deal with - but it's obviously not the current state of the art. Sounds like something out of the 1980's (or before). That would be about the time frame of the first installed camera. When the replacement costs are in the hundreds of millions of dollars and the system runs 24/7/365 you don't replace everything just to have the latest technology; you update through slow and carefully planed attrition. -- Jim Pennino |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
I don't know what you deal with - but it's obviously not the current state of the art. Sounds like something out of the 1980's (or before). Oh come on Jerry, the whole NTSC thing is still part of the Amateur Extra exam, so it MUST be state of the art. This new fangled digital stuff is just a passing fad. :-) Geoff. -- Geoffrey S. Mendelson, N3OWJ/4X1GM/KBUH7245/KBUW5379 |
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On 5/27/2014 1:22 AM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/26/2014 1:17 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. I am describing systems I personally know of and deal with, so no, I am not "wrong". I am describing systems my company interacts with daily. And yes, you are "wrong". You are talking about what you are involved in and I am talking about what I am involved in. From my perspective it is YOU that is wrong. Just because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't make you right. snip Digital cameras are only installed for new construction and the quality of the digital video is no better than the analog video as the analog cameras were high quality video since day 1. Again, wrong. Nope, it is exactly what is happening with the systems I am involved in. Obviously you are wrong. See above. snip Your experience and situation may be different. They definitely are. We are in the commercial business. I am not. Then you have very little experience from which to speak. How many installations do you do a year? Here'a clue; the 2014 budget for the sub-organization I deal with is $21.1 B. Yes, that is a 'B'. So what? It doesn't mean you have any idea what you are talking about. Just that your sub-organization wastes a lot of money. And BTW - we do it over the existing coax. No "miles of cable" are replaced. Such is not possible for many reasons in the systems I deal with, and yes, there are literally hundreds of miles of cable. You are obviously not familiar with HDBASE-T - which is a recognized standard, just like HDMI, and is supported by multiple manufacturers. Depending on the manufacturer, it is quite easy to send up to 4 IP cameras over one coax up to 1,500 ft. - farther than analog cameras will go. What part of "miles" is it you fail to understand? Pray tell us, oh great magician. How do you get analog cameras to go "miles" over coax without all kinds of amplifiers on the way? Make and model of the cameras and coax. And of course there is more than just miles of of video cable and the stuff to get the video to go for miles. Again, exactly what? There is also miles of the multidrop, 1200 baud twisted pair copper for PTZ. Again - exactly what PTZ cameras will run off of 1200 baud twisted pair? Make and model of the cameras and the controllers. And if you need more, there are any number of solutions - all over coax. I don't know what you deal with - but it's obviously not the current state of the art. Sounds like something out of the 1980's (or before). That would be about the time frame of the first installed camera. When the replacement costs are in the hundreds of millions of dollars and the system runs 24/7/365 you don't replace everything just to have the latest technology; you update through slow and carefully planed attrition. And when you have no idea what you're talking about, you can make any claims you want. That doesn't mean you are right. In fact, from this post you show just how ignorant you are. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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On 5/27/2014 5:14 AM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: I don't know what you deal with - but it's obviously not the current state of the art. Sounds like something out of the 1980's (or before). Oh come on Jerry, the whole NTSC thing is still part of the Amateur Extra exam, so it MUST be state of the art. This new fangled digital stuff is just a passing fad. :-) Geoff. Geoff, ROFLMAO. It is? I haven't even looked at an amateur exam in over 40 years :) If the FCC were still running the exam, I would believe it. But now that it's in the hands of the hams, I would have expected old technology to have been dropped more quickly. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
On 5/27/2014 1:22 AM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/26/2014 1:17 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. I am describing systems I personally know of and deal with, so no, I am not "wrong". I am describing systems my company interacts with daily. And yes, you are "wrong". You are talking about what you are involved in and I am talking about what I am involved in. From my perspective it is YOU that is wrong. Just because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't make you right. I know very well what I am talking about because I am intimately involved in it. Your basic problem is that you feel only the things YOU are involved with are "correct" or "right" and can not seem to understand that the Universe does NOT revolve around you and your experiences. snip Digital cameras are only installed for new construction and the quality of the digital video is no better than the analog video as the analog cameras were high quality video since day 1. Again, wrong. Nope, it is exactly what is happening with the systems I am involved in. Obviously you are wrong. See above. See above. snip Your experience and situation may be different. They definitely are. We are in the commercial business. I am not. Then you have very little experience from which to speak. How many installations do you do a year? I don't do the installations, there are big teams to do the grunt work, and it depends on how you define "installation". The total number of cameras is currently somewhere around 1,000. Here'a clue; the 2014 budget for the sub-organization I deal with is $21.1 B. Yes, that is a 'B'. So what? It doesn't mean you have any idea what you are talking about. Just that your sub-organization wastes a lot of money. And you know that how? And BTW - we do it over the existing coax. No "miles of cable" are replaced. Such is not possible for many reasons in the systems I deal with, and yes, there are literally hundreds of miles of cable. You are obviously not familiar with HDBASE-T - which is a recognized standard, just like HDMI, and is supported by multiple manufacturers. Depending on the manufacturer, it is quite easy to send up to 4 IP cameras over one coax up to 1,500 ft. - farther than analog cameras will go. What part of "miles" is it you fail to understand? Pray tell us, oh great magician. How do you get analog cameras to go "miles" over coax without all kinds of amplifiers on the way? Make and model of the cameras and coax. Of course there are amplifiers in the system. How else would you get analog video from a camera 25 miles away? And of course there is more than just miles of of video cable and the stuff to get the video to go for miles. Again, exactly what? It is not my job to specify the nuts and bolts out there nor do I care in the slightest as it is someone else's job to make sure the video gets to where it is supposed to go. There is also miles of the multidrop, 1200 baud twisted pair copper for PTZ. Again - exactly what PTZ cameras will run off of 1200 baud twisted pair? Make and model of the cameras and the controllers. The original cameras were Javelin JO505R/D12 and PTZ control is via a custom program written on HP-UX Unix. As Javelin is long out of business, newer models from Pelco and Cohu have been added to the mix and the control program updated for the newer models. As new contruction adds TCP/IP connected cameras over fiber, the program has also been modified to allow TCP PTZ control in addition to legacy serial. And if you need more, there are any number of solutions - all over coax. I don't know what you deal with - but it's obviously not the current state of the art. Sounds like something out of the 1980's (or before). That would be about the time frame of the first installed camera. When the replacement costs are in the hundreds of millions of dollars and the system runs 24/7/365 you don't replace everything just to have the latest technology; you update through slow and carefully planed attrition. And when you have no idea what you're talking about, you can make any claims you want. That doesn't mean you are right. In fact, from this post you show just how ignorant you are. From your posts you show you are a self centered egotist who is unable to understand that the whole Universe does not revolve arout you. You are firmly convinced that the only person in the Universe that does things "correctly" is you and can't possibly understand there may be other situations where your "solution" doesn't work. -- Jim Pennino |
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On 5/27/2014 2:14 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/27/2014 1:22 AM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/26/2014 1:17 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. I am describing systems I personally know of and deal with, so no, I am not "wrong". I am describing systems my company interacts with daily. And yes, you are "wrong". You are talking about what you are involved in and I am talking about what I am involved in. From my perspective it is YOU that is wrong. Just because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't make you right. I know very well what I am talking about because I am intimately involved in it. Your basic problem is that you feel only the things YOU are involved with are "correct" or "right" and can not seem to understand that the Universe does NOT revolve around you and your experiences. No, YOUR mistake is to think that your little world is indicative of the rest of the world. You can be assured it is NOT. snip Digital cameras are only installed for new construction and the quality of the digital video is no better than the analog video as the analog cameras were high quality video since day 1. Again, wrong. Nope, it is exactly what is happening with the systems I am involved in. Obviously you are wrong. See above. See above. snip Your experience and situation may be different. They definitely are. We are in the commercial business. I am not. Then you have very little experience from which to speak. How many installations do you do a year? I don't do the installations, there are big teams to do the grunt work, and it depends on how you define "installation". The total number of cameras is currently somewhere around 1,000. Only 1,000 cameras? A rather small installation, indeed. Here'a clue; the 2014 budget for the sub-organization I deal with is $21.1 B. Yes, that is a 'B'. So what? It doesn't mean you have any idea what you are talking about. Just that your sub-organization wastes a lot of money. And you know that how? A big budget does not necessarily indicate competence - as you have already proven. It says nothing about your unit's knowledge of cameras, for instance. Only that you have to prove your manhood by showing what a big budget you have. But it's only big to you. We have customers with more net income per year than you are spending - and would consider your budget "chump change". And BTW - we do it over the existing coax. No "miles of cable" are replaced. Such is not possible for many reasons in the systems I deal with, and yes, there are literally hundreds of miles of cable. You are obviously not familiar with HDBASE-T - which is a recognized standard, just like HDMI, and is supported by multiple manufacturers. Depending on the manufacturer, it is quite easy to send up to 4 IP cameras over one coax up to 1,500 ft. - farther than analog cameras will go. What part of "miles" is it you fail to understand? Pray tell us, oh great magician. How do you get analog cameras to go "miles" over coax without all kinds of amplifiers on the way? Make and model of the cameras and coax. Of course there are amplifiers in the system. How else would you get analog video from a camera 25 miles away? So, you should be able to answer the question - camera and amplifiers makes and models, for instance. How many times the signal is amplified (pay attention to the fact that EVERY amplifier distorts an analog waveform and introduces noise into the system, degrading the picture). I'd love to see the specifics on how you're getting an analog signal 25 miles. Oh, and of course, your company must be a common carrier - required in the United States for crossing public land such as streets and highways. And of course there is more than just miles of of video cable and the stuff to get the video to go for miles. Again, exactly what? It is not my job to specify the nuts and bolts out there nor do I care in the slightest as it is someone else's job to make sure the video gets to where it is supposed to go. I knew you would try to weasel out of answering the question. It just goes to show how full of it you are. You claim all this knowledge - but in fact know nothing. There is also miles of the multidrop, 1200 baud twisted pair copper for PTZ. Again - exactly what PTZ cameras will run off of 1200 baud twisted pair? Make and model of the cameras and the controllers. The original cameras were Javelin JO505R/D12 and PTZ control is via a custom program written on HP-UX Unix. As Javelin is long out of business, newer models from Pelco and Cohu have been added to the mix and the control program updated for the newer models. Interesting that the only camera you can specify a model for is out of business (and has been for a number of years). But then neither Pelco nor Cohu have PTZ's which can be controlled over a 1200 baud line. But you should be able to specify exactly which cameras you are using. As new contruction adds TCP/IP connected cameras over fiber, the program has also been modified to allow TCP PTZ control in addition to legacy serial. I don't know why you would need to modify a program when both Pelco and Cohu and be controlled over fiber with existing equipment. And if you need more, there are any number of solutions - all over coax. I don't know what you deal with - but it's obviously not the current state of the art. Sounds like something out of the 1980's (or before). That would be about the time frame of the first installed camera. When the replacement costs are in the hundreds of millions of dollars and the system runs 24/7/365 you don't replace everything just to have the latest technology; you update through slow and carefully planed attrition. And when you have no idea what you're talking about, you can make any claims you want. That doesn't mean you are right. In fact, from this post you show just how ignorant you are. From your posts you show you are a self centered egotist who is unable to understand that the whole Universe does not revolve arout you. You are firmly convinced that the only person in the Universe that does things "correctly" is you and can't possibly understand there may be other situations where your "solution" doesn't work. I knew this was coming. You can't back up your "facts", so you have to resort to personal attacks. But then that's a typical response from a troll. The fact is - you are a little boy in a very enclosed environment, with no view of the rest of the world. Yet you think your little corner is representative of EVERYONE. Let me clue you - it is not. And BTW - I NEVER SAID that what we do is appropriate for EVERYONE. I just said that that's the way the intelligent people in the world are going. You can stay in the stone age as long as you want. It's not skin off of my back. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle ================== |
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On 5/27/2014 2:14 PM, wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/27/2014 1:22 AM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/26/2014 1:17 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. I am describing systems I personally know of and deal with, so no, I am not "wrong". I am describing systems my company interacts with daily. And yes, you are "wrong". You are talking about what you are involved in and I am talking about what I am involved in. From my perspective it is YOU that is wrong. Just because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't make you right. I know very well what I am talking about because I am intimately involved in it. Your basic problem is that you feel only the things YOU are involved with are "correct" or "right" and can not seem to understand that the Universe does NOT revolve around you and your experiences. No, YOUR mistake is to think that your little world is indicative of the rest of the world. You can be assured it is NOT. You are the one that continues to insist that your little world is indicative of the rest of the world, not me. I have repeatedly stated that my experiences reflect my experiences and that yours may be different. The fact that my experiences differ from yours seems to have gotten your patties all in a knot far beyond all reason. snip The total number of cameras is currently somewhere around 1,000. Only 1,000 cameras? A rather small installation, indeed. Covering an area of about 250 X 750 miles? Yeah, compared to the state of Alaska, I guess that is small. snip So, you should be able to answer the question - camera and amplifiers makes and models, for instance. How many times the signal is amplified (pay attention to the fact that EVERY amplifier distorts an analog waveform and introduces noise into the system, degrading the picture). Once again, it is not up to me to either specify or install the infrastructure; there are several teams of people who do that. While I do talk to those people, my primary involvement is where all the cables come together. I'd love to see the specifics on how you're getting an analog signal 25 miles. Oh, and of course, your company must be a common carrier - required in the United States for crossing public land such as streets and highways. Nope, close but wrong again. snip I knew you would try to weasel out of answering the question. It just goes to show how full of it you are. You claim all this knowledge - but in fact know nothing. Once again, it is not up to me to either specify or install the infrastructure; there are several teams of people who do that. While I do talk to those people, my primary involvement is where all the cables come together. snip Interesting that the only camera you can specify a model for is out of business (and has been for a number of years). Once again, it is not up to me to either specify or install the infrastructure; there are several teams of people who do that. While I do talk to those people, my primary involvement is where all the cables come together. When the people who's job it is to specify such stuff come up with new equipment they provide me with the command set for the camera. But then neither Pelco nor Cohu have PTZ's which can be controlled over a 1200 baud line. But you should be able to specify exactly which cameras you are using. They did have for years. In fact, Cohu for years supported the installed Javelin base with a camera that emulated the Javelin. Cohu recently (in terms of years) decided that market was too small to continue, thus those people who's job it is to specify such stuff are starting to use Pelco and stock Cohu because they were basically forced to by what is available on the market. As new contruction adds TCP/IP connected cameras over fiber, the program has also been modified to allow TCP PTZ control in addition to legacy serial. I don't know why you would need to modify a program when both Pelco and Cohu and be controlled over fiber with existing equipment. Once again, the control is through a custom program written for HPUX Unix and the control is integrated into a larger system where the CCTV stuff is but a small part. snip I knew this was coming. You can't back up your "facts", so you have to resort to personal attacks. You are the one that started the personal attacks by saying that I don't know anything about a system that I have been working with for about 20 years. snip The fact is - you are a little boy in a very enclosed environment, with no view of the rest of the world. Yet you think your little corner is representative of EVERYONE. You are the one claiming that YOUR little corner of the world is represenative of EVERYONE while I in fact have repeatedly stated that your experience may be different than mine. Let me clue you - it is not. And BTW - I NEVER SAID that what we do is appropriate for EVERYONE. I just said that that's the way the intelligent people in the world are going. You can stay in the stone age as long as you want. It's not skin off of my back. Then why do you have your panties in such a twist over it that you HAVE to try to sharpshoot every little detail? And I have stated several times that the existing infrastructure is so large and expensive that it is not realistic to upgrade it just because there is new technology. It IS going to all TCP/IP over fiber with TCP control and digital video slowly through attrition and new construction as I have stated several times now and this process will likely take another decade. -- Jim Pennino Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/27/2014 2:14 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/27/2014 1:22 AM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/26/2014 1:17 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. I am describing systems I personally know of and deal with, so no, I am not "wrong". I am describing systems my company interacts with daily. And yes, you are "wrong". You are talking about what you are involved in and I am talking about what I am involved in. From my perspective it is YOU that is wrong. Just because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't make you right. I know very well what I am talking about because I am intimately involved in it. Your basic problem is that you feel only the things YOU are involved with are "correct" or "right" and can not seem to understand that the Universe does NOT revolve around you and your experiences. No, YOUR mistake is to think that your little world is indicative of the rest of the world. You can be assured it is NOT. snip Digital cameras are only installed for new construction and the quality of the digital video is no better than the analog video as the analog cameras were high quality video since day 1. Again, wrong. Nope, it is exactly what is happening with the systems I am involved in. Obviously you are wrong. See above. See above. snip Your experience and situation may be different. They definitely are. We are in the commercial business. I am not. Then you have very little experience from which to speak. How many installations do you do a year? I don't do the installations, there are big teams to do the grunt work, and it depends on how you define "installation". The total number of cameras is currently somewhere around 1,000. Only 1,000 cameras? A rather small installation, indeed. Here'a clue; the 2014 budget for the sub-organization I deal with is $21.1 B. Yes, that is a 'B'. So what? It doesn't mean you have any idea what you are talking about. Just that your sub-organization wastes a lot of money. And you know that how? A big budget does not necessarily indicate competence - as you have already proven. It says nothing about your unit's knowledge of cameras, for instance. Only that you have to prove your manhood by showing what a big budget you have. But it's only big to you. We have customers with more net income per year than you are spending - and would consider your budget "chump change". And BTW - we do it over the existing coax. No "miles of cable" are replaced. Such is not possible for many reasons in the systems I deal with, and yes, there are literally hundreds of miles of cable. You are obviously not familiar with HDBASE-T - which is a recognized standard, just like HDMI, and is supported by multiple manufacturers. Depending on the manufacturer, it is quite easy to send up to 4 IP cameras over one coax up to 1,500 ft. - farther than analog cameras will go. What part of "miles" is it you fail to understand? Pray tell us, oh great magician. How do you get analog cameras to go "miles" over coax without all kinds of amplifiers on the way? Make and model of the cameras and coax. Of course there are amplifiers in the system. How else would you get analog video from a camera 25 miles away? So, you should be able to answer the question - camera and amplifiers makes and models, for instance. How many times the signal is amplified (pay attention to the fact that EVERY amplifier distorts an analog waveform and introduces noise into the system, degrading the picture). I'd love to see the specifics on how you're getting an analog signal 25 miles. Oh, and of course, your company must be a common carrier - required in the United States for crossing public land such as streets and highways. And of course there is more than just miles of of video cable and the stuff to get the video to go for miles. Again, exactly what? It is not my job to specify the nuts and bolts out there nor do I care in the slightest as it is someone else's job to make sure the video gets to where it is supposed to go. I knew you would try to weasel out of answering the question. It just goes to show how full of it you are. You claim all this knowledge - but in fact know nothing. There is also miles of the multidrop, 1200 baud twisted pair copper for PTZ. Again - exactly what PTZ cameras will run off of 1200 baud twisted pair? Make and model of the cameras and the controllers. The original cameras were Javelin JO505R/D12 and PTZ control is via a custom program written on HP-UX Unix. As Javelin is long out of business, newer models from Pelco and Cohu have been added to the mix and the control program updated for the newer models. Interesting that the only camera you can specify a model for is out of business (and has been for a number of years). But then neither Pelco nor Cohu have PTZ's which can be controlled over a 1200 baud line. But you should be able to specify exactly which cameras you are using. As new contruction adds TCP/IP connected cameras over fiber, the program has also been modified to allow TCP PTZ control in addition to legacy serial. I don't know why you would need to modify a program when both Pelco and Cohu and be controlled over fiber with existing equipment. And if you need more, there are any number of solutions - all over coax. I don't know what you deal with - but it's obviously not the current state of the art. Sounds like something out of the 1980's (or before). That would be about the time frame of the first installed camera. When the replacement costs are in the hundreds of millions of dollars and the system runs 24/7/365 you don't replace everything just to have the latest technology; you update through slow and carefully planed attrition. And when you have no idea what you're talking about, you can make any claims you want. That doesn't mean you are right. In fact, from this post you show just how ignorant you are. From your posts you show you are a self centered egotist who is unable to understand that the whole Universe does not revolve arout you. You are firmly convinced that the only person in the Universe that does things "correctly" is you and can't possibly understand there may be other situations where your "solution" doesn't work. I knew this was coming. You can't back up your "facts", so you have to resort to personal attacks. But then that's a typical response from a troll. The fact is - you are a little boy in a very enclosed environment, with no view of the rest of the world. Yet you think your little corner is representative of EVERYONE. Let me clue you - it is not. And BTW - I NEVER SAID that what we do is appropriate for EVERYONE. I just said that that's the way the intelligent people in the world are going. You can stay in the stone age as long as you want. It's not skin off of my back. -- Jim Pennino |
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On 5/27/2014 3:38 PM, wrote:
On 5/27/2014 2:14 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/27/2014 1:22 AM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/26/2014 1:17 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 10:18 PM, wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: On 5/25/2014 12:03 PM, wrote: gareth wrote: wrote in message ... CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator The one item in your list that no longer has any use! I've got one of those, but not Heathkit, and PAL not NTSC Closed Circuit TV is still mostly analog. That's changing. We install much more digital (IP-based) systems than analog, nowadays, including updating old analog systems. Analog is still out there - but as the price of digital cameras comes down, analog is fading. Yes, new systems are predominantly digital, however there is a HUGE installed base of analog no one is going to replace just because, though some are replacing the recording/viewing portion with digitizers. If you have to dig up and replace miles of cable to have digital cameras, the cameras are likely to stay analog for a long time. That's where you're wrong. Probably 1/3 of our installs is replacing old analog systems with digital. The higher quality of a digital picture is the main selling point, although the digital recording also helps. I am describing systems I personally know of and deal with, so no, I am not "wrong". I am describing systems my company interacts with daily. And yes, you are "wrong". You are talking about what you are involved in and I am talking about what I am involved in. From my perspective it is YOU that is wrong. Just because you don't know what you're talking about doesn't make you right. I know very well what I am talking about because I am intimately involved in it. Your basic problem is that you feel only the things YOU are involved with are "correct" or "right" and can not seem to understand that the Universe does NOT revolve around you and your experiences. No, YOUR mistake is to think that your little world is indicative of the rest of the world. You can be assured it is NOT. You are the one that continues to insist that your little world is indicative of the rest of the world, not me. I have repeatedly stated that my experiences reflect my experiences and that yours may be different. The fact that my experiences differ from yours see ms to have gotten your patties all in a knot far beyond all reason. Yes, you have a very limited experience. It's not your (lack of) experience that bothers me. It's the fact YOU think that YOUR installation is the slickest thing since snot on a doorknob. Let me clue you in - it isn't. And while the rest of the world moves into the 21st century, you're still stuck back in the 20th. snip The total number of cameras is currently somewhere around 1,000. Only 1,000 cameras? A rather small installation, indeed. Covering an area of about 250 X 750 miles? Yeah, compared to the state of Alaska, I guess that is small. 1,000 analog camera to cover an area of 187,500 square miles? ROFLMAO! Homeland Security could use your "expertise" in securing our borders! That would be one camera for every 18.75 square miles. There is NOT analog (or digital, for that matter) camera which could cover 1% of that area! You've just once again proven how full of $h!t you are. snip So, you should be able to answer the question - camera and amplifiers makes and models, for instance. How many times the signal is amplified (pay attention to the fact that EVERY amplifier distorts an analog waveform and introduces noise into the system, degrading the picture). Once again, it is not up to me to either specify or install the infrastructure; there are several teams of people who do that. While I do talk to those people, my primary involvement is where all the cables come together. So once again you are an "expert" - but you don't even know what equipment is being used. Some "expert" you are. More like "ex" = has-been, "spurt" - a drip under pressure. Come out with some FACTS and we can believe you. I'd love to see the specifics on how you're getting an analog signal 25 miles. Oh, and of course, your company must be a common carrier - required in the United States for crossing public land such as streets and highways. Nope, close but wrong again. snip So you admit your company is violating federal regulations and crossing public lands despite not being a common carrier? Where can you be (except maybe in Alaska - and even then I'm not sure you can find that big of an area) can you not cross public lands. I knew you would try to weasel out of answering the question. It just goes to show how full of it you are. You claim all this knowledge - but in fact know nothing. Once again, it is not up to me to either specify or install the infrastructure; there are several teams of people who do that. While I do talk to those people, my primary involvement is where all the cables come together. snip Once again you claim to be an "expert" - but you have no idea what equipment your company is using. Some "expert" you are. Interesting that the only camera you can specify a model for is out of business (and has been for a number of years). Once again, it is not up to me to either specify or install the infrastructure; there are several teams of people who do that. While I do talk to those people, my primary involvement is where all the cables come together. When the people who's job it is to specify such stuff come up with new equipment they provide me with the command set for the camera. And once again you claim to be an "expert" - but you can't even tell us what equipment you are using. Not much of an "expert". But then neither Pelco nor Cohu have PTZ's which can be controlled over a 1200 baud line. But you should be able to specify exactly which cameras you are using. They did have for years. In fact, Cohu for years supported the installed Javelin base with a camera that emulated the Javelin. Cohu recently (in terms of years) decided that market was too small to continue, thus those people who's job it is to specify such stuff are starting to use Pelco and stock Cohu because they were basically forced to by what is available on the market. Neither Pelco nor Cohu have PTZ's which can be controlled over a 1200 baud line. So even those companies agree your "equipment" is so out of date it isn't even worth supporting. As new contruction adds TCP/IP connected cameras over fiber, the program has also been modified to allow TCP PTZ control in addition to legacy serial. I don't know why you would need to modify a program when both Pelco and Cohu and be controlled over fiber with existing equipment. Once again, the control is through a custom program written for HPUX Unix and the control is integrated into a larger system where the CCTV stuff is but a small part. snip And again, I don't know why you would need to modify a program when both Pelco and Cohu can be controlled over fiber. And BTW, Pelco's control codes are proprietary, and they do NOT give them out. So what did you do - reverse engineer them (against your license agreement)? And unlike you, I DO know what I'm talking about. Pelco is one of the cameras we use regularly. I knew this was coming. You can't back up your "facts", so you have to resort to personal attacks. You are the one that started the personal attacks by saying that I don't know anything about a system that I have been working with for about 20 years. snip I just observed how little you really know for someone who claims to have been working on a system for over 20 years. The fact is - you are a little boy in a very enclosed environment, with no view of the rest of the world. Yet you think your little corner is representative of EVERYONE. You are the one claiming that YOUR little corner of the world is represenative of EVERYONE while I in fact have repeatedly stated that your experience may be different than mine. Nope. I told you how the world is going. You can stay in the 20th century. I really don't care. Let me clue you - it is not. And BTW - I NEVER SAID that what we do is appropriate for EVERYONE. I just said that that's the way the intelligent people in the world are going. You can stay in the stone age as long as you want. It's not skin off of my back. Then why do you have your panties in such a twist over it that you HAVE to try to sharpshoot every little detail? Because you are so full of $h!t and claim the world is NOT doing what I have seen it to be. And I have stated several times that the existing infrastructure is so large and expensive that it is not realistic to upgrade it just because there is new technology. 1,000 cameras is NOT a "large infrastructure". Medium at best. Even some hotels have more cameras. But you seem to be the only one who believes they can cover 187,500 sq. mi. with 1,000 cameras. It IS going to all TCP/IP over fiber with TCP control and digital video slowly through attrition and new construction as I have stated several times now and this process will likely take another decade. Ah, so you admit I am right - you ARE going to IP-based cameras. I know why you wouldn't say so in the first place, though. Like all trolls, you're looking for an argument. This isn't the first time you've done this, either - as others in this newsgroup can attest. Reminds me of the old story: "Never wrestle with a pig. You'll only get yourself dirty, and the pig enjoys it". Well, I'm through wrestling with the pig. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry Stuckle ================== |
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Jerry Stuckle wrote:
snip Yes, you have a very limited experience. It's not your (lack of) You have no way of knowing what my total experience is and are just blowing hot air out of your ass. experience that bothers me. It's the fact YOU think that YOUR installation is the slickest thing since snot on a doorknob. I never said the installation had any particular qualtities other than it works and has been around a long time and again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. Let me clue you in - it isn't. And while the rest of the world moves into the 21st century, you're still stuck back in the 20th. The B-52 was designed in 1946 and will continue to be in service until at least 2040 and likely 2045. By your wierd everything has to move to the latest technology view point, the USAF should have retired the B-52 in the mid 60's and ignored the fact that the airplane is STILL remains an effective and economical heavy bomber. snip 1,000 analog camera to cover an area of 187,500 square miles? ROFLMAO! Homeland Security could use your "expertise" in securing our borders! I never said anything about the individual camera coverage area or the coverage area of interest. Again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. That would be one camera for every 18.75 square miles. There is NOT analog (or digital, for that matter) camera which could cover 1% of that area! Actually, the cameras are spaced at intervals of .5 to 1.5 miles in the areas of interest. Again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. You've just once again proven how full of $h!t you are. You haven't a clue what the application is and again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. snip So once again you are an "expert" - but you don't even know what equipment is being used. Some "expert" you are. More like "ex" = has-been, "spurt" - a drip under pressure. I never said I was an expert, I related how it is actually done by those that actually do the nuts and bolts of the system. Again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. Come out with some FACTS and we can believe you. I already gave you the facts; that you are so hung up on what YOU do to see that there are other situations out there in the world is not my problem. snip So you admit your company is violating federal regulations and crossing public lands despite not being a common carrier? Where can you be (except maybe in Alaska - and even then I'm not sure you can find that big of an area) can you not cross public lands. My god are you dense. You haven't a clue what kind of system this is and again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. snip Once again you claim to be an "expert" - but you have no idea what equipment your company is using. Some "expert" you are. I never claimed to be an expert and never claimed I had anything what so ever to do with the selection of equipment. Again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. snip And once again you claim to be an "expert" - but you can't even tell us what equipment you are using. Not much of an "expert". I never claimed to be an expert and never claimed I had anything what so ever to do with the selection of equipment. Again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. snip Neither Pelco nor Cohu have PTZ's which can be controlled over a 1200 baud line. So even those companies agree your "equipment" is so out of date it isn't even worth supporting. Again, I have said many times the system is old and as a matter of fact Cohu does still support serial cameras. snip And again, I don't know why you would need to modify a program when both Pelco and Cohu can be controlled over fiber. And BTW, Pelco's control codes are proprietary, and they do NOT give them out. So what did you do - reverse engineer them (against your license agreement)? First, you have been told many times the system is old. There are in fact still Javelin cameras out there that have not yet failed. There are still a LOT of cameras on serial lines. It ALL has to be supported. And you have also been told several times the whole thing, old cameras and new, are controlled by a custome application that is a small part of a much bigger application. As for Pelco's control being proprietary, either the manufacturer discloses the codes or the cameras are not purchased. Have you ever heard of a nondisclosure agreement? And unlike you, I DO know what I'm talking about. Pelco is one of the cameras we use regularly. Whooptee ****ing doo. snip Nope. I told you how the world is going. You can stay in the 20th century. I really don't care. Then why do you have your panties in such a wad? Go rant at the USAF for wanting to keep the B-52 for 90 years. snip Because you are so full of $h!t and claim the world is NOT doing what I have seen it to be. Again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. I have said many, many, many times now that your experience may be different. It is you that is claiming that what I say is being done is actually being done. snip 1,000 cameras is NOT a "large infrastructure". Medium at best. Even some hotels have more cameras. It is when the spacing between camera is measured in miles. But you seem to be the only one who believes they can cover 187,500 sq. mi. with 1,000 cameras. I never said that and again you are just blowing hot air out of your ass. snip Ah, so you admit I am right - you ARE going to IP-based cameras. Look you flaming ass hole, I have said many times that the system was slowly being upgraded but you turned flame on and keep insisting that the bulk of existing cameras can not be analog with serial control. I know why you wouldn't say so in the first place, though. I did several times ass hole, you were just too busy blowing hot air out of your ass to read it. -- Jim Pennino |
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wrote:
Jerry Stuckle wrote: snip Yes, you have a very limited experience. It's not your (lack of) You have no way of knowing what my total experience is and are just blowing hot air out of your ass. Guys, can you take this to personal email or a bar or something? It's kind of cluttering up the newsgroup and it really doesn't have to do with ham radio except in that it sounds like the discussions I hear on 75M phone. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
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On 5/28/2014 9:44 AM, Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: snip Yes, you have a very limited experience. It's not your (lack of) You have no way of knowing what my total experience is and are just blowing hot air out of your ass. Guys, can you take this to personal email or a bar or something? It's kind of cluttering up the newsgroup and it really doesn't have to do with ham radio except in that it sounds like the discussions I hear on 75M phone. --scott Scott, Don't worry. I'm not going to wrestle the pig any more. Unfortunately, I let myself get caught up in trying to have another intelligent discussion with him. I already know it doesn't work. -- ================== Remove the "x" from my email address Jerry, AI0K ================== |
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Scott Dorsey wrote:
wrote: Jerry Stuckle wrote: snip Yes, you have a very limited experience. It's not your (lack of) You have no way of knowing what my total experience is and are just blowing hot air out of your ass. Guys, can you take this to personal email or a bar or something? It's kind of cluttering up the newsgroup and it really doesn't have to do with ham radio except in that it sounds like the discussions I hear on 75M phone. --scott Sorry about that, but when I make a few simple statements about something I have worked with for decades and this self centered ass wipe starts his wild ass suppostions and accusations I can't help but to respond to his utter stupdidity. -- Jim Pennino |
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I am interested in the V7A VTVM. I sent you a note on another newsgroup.
Price and how you want me to pay. Dave Thompson wrote in message ... Is there any interest in this newsgroup in Heathkits that are NOT amateur radio products? I have some that I no longer want: AR-15 Stereo Receiver QM-1 Q Meter CD-1 Color Bar and Dot Generator IT-12 Signal Tracer V-7A VTVM All are clean, include manuals, and were working when last used. John -- Please reply in this newsgroup. I never post my true email address to prevent spam. Thank you. |
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