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What does "power up" mean?
Hello all,
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x 6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price? Doug W4DAS |
Doug Shields wrote:
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x 6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price? By Ebay standards, this is LIKE NEW-- EXCELLENT CONDITION because it has never been on fire or filled with mud. There are a bunch of 6L6 variants in current production. The Russian 5881WXGT tube is available from Antique Electronics Supply for seven or eight bucks. It has a taller envelope than the standard 6L6, and is basically a 7027 without the pin jumper. It far exceeeds 6L6 specs and will last nearly forever in a circuit designed for the 6L6. If that's too much money you can get a Russian 6L6 design for around five bucks that is about as good as the GE originals but no better. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
Doug Shields wrote:
I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x 6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price? By Ebay standards, this is LIKE NEW-- EXCELLENT CONDITION because it has never been on fire or filled with mud. There are a bunch of 6L6 variants in current production. The Russian 5881WXGT tube is available from Antique Electronics Supply for seven or eight bucks. It has a taller envelope than the standard 6L6, and is basically a 7027 without the pin jumper. It far exceeeds 6L6 specs and will last nearly forever in a circuit designed for the 6L6. If that's too much money you can get a Russian 6L6 design for around five bucks that is about as good as the GE originals but no better. --scott -- "C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis." |
Power up is in the mouth of the beholder.
1. Applied power -- light came on - I don't know what it is or what it does -- (so no further checks.) 2. Applied power -- light came on -- opened covers -- no smoke. I don't know what it is or what it does -- (so no further checks.) 3. Applied power -- fully operational in all respects. For what it may be worth, I always e-mail the seller and ask: 1. Is the unit complete in all respects? 2. Is it fully functional in all modes, ranges and all controls fully operational? 3. Is the photo on E-Bay the unit u are selling or obtained elsewhere. 4. If the answer is yes to all of the above, will u please send me a money back guarantee statement, should I find otherwise. If seller declines -- I don't bid unless it is an extremely low price and I ascertain it can be repaired. Have been very successfully obtaining hard to find items and no returns to date. I have bought some Heathkits -- very very cheap on E-Bay and repaired them -- was worth while . -- 73 From the Spurious Noise ';';;';x":.,";"' "Doug Shields" wrote in message om... Hello all, I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x 6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price? Doug W4DAS |
Power up is in the mouth of the beholder.
1. Applied power -- light came on - I don't know what it is or what it does -- (so no further checks.) 2. Applied power -- light came on -- opened covers -- no smoke. I don't know what it is or what it does -- (so no further checks.) 3. Applied power -- fully operational in all respects. For what it may be worth, I always e-mail the seller and ask: 1. Is the unit complete in all respects? 2. Is it fully functional in all modes, ranges and all controls fully operational? 3. Is the photo on E-Bay the unit u are selling or obtained elsewhere. 4. If the answer is yes to all of the above, will u please send me a money back guarantee statement, should I find otherwise. If seller declines -- I don't bid unless it is an extremely low price and I ascertain it can be repaired. Have been very successfully obtaining hard to find items and no returns to date. I have bought some Heathkits -- very very cheap on E-Bay and repaired them -- was worth while . -- 73 From the Spurious Noise ';';;';x":.,";"' "Doug Shields" wrote in message om... Hello all, I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x 6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price? Doug W4DAS |
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On 25 Sep 2003 15:54:17 -0400, (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Doug Shields wrote: I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x 6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price? By Ebay standards, this is LIKE NEW-- EXCELLENT CONDITION because it has never been on fire or filled with mud. There are a bunch of 6L6 variants in current production. The Russian There are two major glass variants of the 6L6, plus the metal one. One of the glass, has twice the plate dissipation of the other and it basically twice the size. They are about the same size as a 6550. Retail price on the big ones, new (they are used in a lot of guitar amps) is EXPENSIVE. I've not seen any of the Russian equivalents. 5881WXGT tube is available from Antique Electronics Supply for seven or eight bucks. It has a taller envelope than the standard 6L6, and is There are the two *standard* 6L6s. Retail on the larger one at music stores is nigh onto 30 bucks. basically a 7027 without the pin jumper. It far exceeeds 6L6 specs and Again, which 6L6 specs? I used to run 90 watts out on 75 and 40 with a pair of the larger ones. My guitar amp runs 290 watts plus with 6 of them and they don't last forever. :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) will last nearly forever in a circuit designed for the 6L6. If that's too much money you can get a Russian 6L6 design for around five bucks that is about as good as the GE originals but no better. --scott |
It usually means "let the smoke out."
Let the buyer beware :-( Why would you want to buy any piece of old tube gear that some ignorant schmoe had turned on without first checking it out? We all know that this stuff needs work before you "just plug it in." Don't buy from people who don't understand that basic principle. There's always another good deal around the corner. Phil |
It usually means "let the smoke out."
Let the buyer beware :-( Why would you want to buy any piece of old tube gear that some ignorant schmoe had turned on without first checking it out? We all know that this stuff needs work before you "just plug it in." Don't buy from people who don't understand that basic principle. There's always another good deal around the corner. Phil |
Hey Phil, I'll bet you learned that by experience didn't you. Like most
of us!!!!!!!!!! But then again maybe you were never an "ignorant schmoe", but I'll bet you were! ;) Phil Nelson wrote: It usually means "let the smoke out." Let the buyer beware :-( Why would you want to buy any piece of old tube gear that some ignorant schmoe had turned on without first checking it out? We all know that this stuff needs work before you "just plug it in." Don't buy from people who don't understand that basic principle. There's always another good deal around the corner. Phil |
Hey Phil, I'll bet you learned that by experience didn't you. Like most
of us!!!!!!!!!! But then again maybe you were never an "ignorant schmoe", but I'll bet you were! ;) Phil Nelson wrote: It usually means "let the smoke out." Let the buyer beware :-( Why would you want to buy any piece of old tube gear that some ignorant schmoe had turned on without first checking it out? We all know that this stuff needs work before you "just plug it in." Don't buy from people who don't understand that basic principle. There's always another good deal around the corner. Phil |
"Doug Shields" wrote in message om... Hello all, I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x 6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price? Doug W4DAS I think that's bad faith on the seller's part, but..... If somebody claims only that "it powers up", I get suspicious real fast. Either the seller is being consciously deceptive, or he's stone stupid. If I were selling an HV power supply, I would have taken the very small amount of time and effort to check the output voltage and current. If I found zero output, I sure wouldn't describe it as "powers up." I would have said something like "turns on, hums, no meter movement, no output, don't know what's wrong, a fixer." I also hope I would never be so lazy as to not look inside to see if a tube was missing. For your part, all that you should assume about that is that the power cord, power switch and the pilot light works. Even a dumb seller should describe external physical damage and the sound of loose internal parts, or goo dripping out of the vent slots. OTOH, opening the case and looking for glowing filaments or missing components is beyond the "powers up" report. This is a lesson for you in not reading wishful thoughts into a vague description. Next time, send the seller a question. If the answer is still vague, then pass it by. No great deal is worth feeling screwed later on. Consider this a learning experience; both in the transaction and the repair. Don't buy from this guy again, and just move on. Still, sorry about this example. Ed WB6WSN |
"Doug Shields" wrote in message om... Hello all, I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." When I received the supply I found that 3 of the 6 tubes (2 x 6L6GC and 1 6BH6) in the supply were missing. I thought that "powers up" means that at least the filaments light up on any form of tube equipment. Am I wrong? The seller plugged it in and apparently the pilot light came on which to him means that it powers up. The seller refuses to listen to anything and has told me "We consider this a closed issue, no more correspondence." Is it me? Thanks. BTW, does anyone have two good 6L6GC tubes at a reasonable price? Doug W4DAS I think that's bad faith on the seller's part, but..... If somebody claims only that "it powers up", I get suspicious real fast. Either the seller is being consciously deceptive, or he's stone stupid. If I were selling an HV power supply, I would have taken the very small amount of time and effort to check the output voltage and current. If I found zero output, I sure wouldn't describe it as "powers up." I would have said something like "turns on, hums, no meter movement, no output, don't know what's wrong, a fixer." I also hope I would never be so lazy as to not look inside to see if a tube was missing. For your part, all that you should assume about that is that the power cord, power switch and the pilot light works. Even a dumb seller should describe external physical damage and the sound of loose internal parts, or goo dripping out of the vent slots. OTOH, opening the case and looking for glowing filaments or missing components is beyond the "powers up" report. This is a lesson for you in not reading wishful thoughts into a vague description. Next time, send the seller a question. If the answer is still vague, then pass it by. No great deal is worth feeling screwed later on. Consider this a learning experience; both in the transaction and the repair. Don't buy from this guy again, and just move on. Still, sorry about this example. Ed WB6WSN |
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:06:46 -0700, "Ed Price"
wrote: "Doug Shields" wrote in message . com... Hello all, I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." "To me", having worked in industry, something tested *to* power up, was checked out physically and taken *to* the point where they were ready to apply power, but did not apply power. On the news groups and e-bay it more than likely means they plugged it in, turned on the switch and didn't blow a fuse, or *maybe* what ever it was didn't smoke. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) |
On Sat, 27 Sep 2003 02:06:46 -0700, "Ed Price"
wrote: "Doug Shields" wrote in message . com... Hello all, I just purchased a Heathkit high voltage regulated supply on Ebay. The description stated "It has been tested to power up and nothing more." "To me", having worked in industry, something tested *to* power up, was checked out physically and taken *to* the point where they were ready to apply power, but did not apply power. On the news groups and e-bay it more than likely means they plugged it in, turned on the switch and didn't blow a fuse, or *maybe* what ever it was didn't smoke. Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) |
Come on, Roger. To people on E-bay, it just means the pilot light works. ;-) Isn't that giving them the benefit of the doubt? :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) |
Come on, Roger. To people on E-bay, it just means the pilot light works. ;-) Isn't that giving them the benefit of the doubt? :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) www.rogerhalstead.com N833R World's oldest Debonair? (S# CD-2) |
Roger Halstead wrote:
Come on, Roger. To people on E-bay, it just means the pilot light works. ;-) Isn't that giving them the benefit of the doubt? :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) I'm talking about the pilot light on the equipment, not the one in their head! I have no doubt that they are dim bulbs. ;-) -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
Roger Halstead wrote:
Come on, Roger. To people on E-bay, it just means the pilot light works. ;-) Isn't that giving them the benefit of the doubt? :-)) Roger Halstead (K8RI EN73 & ARRL Life Member) I'm talking about the pilot light on the equipment, not the one in their head! I have no doubt that they are dim bulbs. ;-) -- Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
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