Hello...
I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA
ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is
it me or the site?

ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/


Thanks..
Jim
WB5KYE

Jim Flanagan wrote:
Hello...
I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA
ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is
it me or the site?

ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/


Thanks..
Jim
WB5KYE

I just tried and it says 'busy' as is often the case. I finally got
thru and downloaded something a day or two ago. Keep trying.

-Bill

In article , exray@coquidotnet says...
Jim Flanagan wrote:
Hello...
I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA
ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is
it me or the site?

ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/


Thanks..
Jim
WB5KYE

I just tried and it says 'busy' as is often the case. I finally got
thru and downloaded something a day or two ago. Keep trying.

-Bill


Thanks, Bill...
I will just keep trying.. Take care.
Jim

Jim Flanagan wrote:

Hello...
I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA
ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is
it me or the site?

ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/

Thanks..
Jim
WB5KYE

The FTP server is limited to ten users at a time. About the only time
I can get something is around 4:00AM to 5:00AM.

What are you looking for? someone may have already downloaded it and
can post it to news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio or email it to you.


--
7 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:01:34 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote:

Jim Flanagan wrote:

Hello...
I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA
ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is
it me or the site?

ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/

Thanks..
Jim
WB5KYE

The FTP server is limited to ten users at a time. About the only time
I can get something is around 4:00AM to 5:00AM.

What are you looking for? someone may have already downloaded it and
can post it to news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio or email it to you.

Mike is correct. The ftp server, from which most BAMA material is
downloaded, has a 10 simultaneous user limit applied. I wish that the
limit could be raised, but since BAMA is a "freeloading" hobby site,
the primary users of the sbc servers have to be protected from clogged
data pipes! 8*) Currently those pipes are multiple T-1 lines.
Hopefully, they will be replaced in the near future with a T-3 line.
If/when that happens, the limit could almost certainly be raised.

Most new material is not being placed on the ftp server, but rather
directly on the web server where BAMA is located. This alleviates the
problem of the web to ftp interface that Internet Explorer is too
stupid to do correctly. This pleases those who want to download using
their browser, since the downloads begin immediately. It displeases
the folks who have become addicted to the great art of FTPing.

For those manuals that are still housed on the ftp site, and that
includes most of the BAMA collection, the absolute best way of getting
them is to use an ftp client program such as SmartFTP. This program
can be set up so that it will keep trying to connect every minute or
so until connection is made. You can then select the manuals that you
need and they will download without any further intervention by the
user.

FTP is relatively ancient technology, but it is one of the slickest
things going for transferring files, since that is what it was
designed to do!!! Web browsers are designed primarily to read html
code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few,
such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer
seems to have a few problems!

I am also looking at the possibility of mirror sites for BAMA.
However, with its messy split personality, it would be rather
difficult to implement. If I can find sites that would be willing to
host such a large collection as BAMA, I would probably migrate all the
material from the ftp site to the web site, thereby simplifying
matters. That task alone would take quite a while to accomplish,
since every link would have to be recoded.

I'm sorry to have gone on at such length here, but just wanted BAMA
users...and particularly those who are becoming frustrated...to know
what is going on behind the scenes. When I started BAMA, I never
dreamed that the level of use for the site would be as great as it is
today. I'm trying to make BAMA as accessible as possible, but there
are limitations that, at the moment, are beyond my control.

Ken K4XL - Replace "invalid" with "net" to reply.
*** BoatAnchor Manual Archive ***
On the web at http://bama.sbc.edu or
FTP site info: bama.sbc.edu login: anonymous p/w: youremailadr

"Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL" wrote:

I am also looking at the possibility of mirror sites for BAMA.
However, with its messy split personality, it would be rather
difficult to implement. If I can find sites that would be willing to
host such a large collection as BAMA, I would probably migrate all the
material from the ftp site to the web site, thereby simplifying
matters. That task alone would take quite a while to accomplish,
since every link would have to be recoded.

Ken K4XL

Kenneth, how much server space are you using? There are still free
host with banner ads that give 100 Mb of space. You could mirror the
most popular downloads with a note the certain lines are store there as
well. If they don't want to deal with a banner ad they can wait for an
open port. I have a free site on http://150m.com :
http://terrell.150m.com/ that seems to work ok. One trick is to make all
the links relative to the website so you can just upload the files to
the server, and you are in business with no re-coding. the
http://terrell.150m.com/ site is mirrored on my Earthlink account at:
http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/ . The only difference in the
two sites is a javascript to identify the site, and it holds the
protected e-mail address to reduce spam. Take a look at the layout and
see what you think.

If you e-mail me, I can offer some suggestions that could make the
site quicker to navigate, and reduce the server load.
--
3 days!


Michael A. Terrell
Central Florida

In article , "Kenneth D. Grimm,
K4XL" writes:

Web browsers are designed primarily to read html
code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few,
such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer
seems to have a few problems!

Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard drive
space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it
immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc. There
should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it.

Also, Explorer lacks an "Upload" button -- I went to upload a file to RTSI.com
and couldn't -- there was no way to "manually" start an upload, since the
screen page didn't have a button.

Any other problems I should know about? Thanks, Mike K.

Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me.

On 22 Dec 2003 21:01:03 GMT, r (Mike Knudsen)
wrote:

In article , "Kenneth D. Grimm,
K4XL" writes:

Web browsers are designed primarily to read html
code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few,

It's not so much a case of getting it right, but of integrating
applications. Where as MS sells "Front Page" which can up load in
addition to editing HTML and SHML pages, the others have their editing
software package integrated with the browsers.

Explorer will download just fine.

such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer
seems to have a few problems!

Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard drive

Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird, and Netscape do that as well.

space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it

It uses either the temp files of the OS, or it will use the temp files
for the particular user. It also creates a temp file directory/folder
for each instance operating. If you open three instances of Explorer
there will be three different temp files.

Again Netscape, Mozilla, and Mosilla Firebird do this. I've never
checked into how Opera handles it as I prefer either Firebird, or
Mozilla. I've used netscape for years, but have been moving away from
it to the core, which is Mozilla.

immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc. There
should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it.

Also, Explorer lacks an "Upload" button -- I went to upload a file to RTSI.com
and couldn't -- there was no way to "manually" start an upload, since the
screen page didn't have a button.

It's a straight browser. Most of the other features are ... well...
added features or plugins.

Indirectly you can upload using Front Page which is their composer.
Netscape, and Mozilla use "composer" as an integrated function.

Even using Netscape, Mozilla, Mozilla Firebird, and Opera, (all are
installed on this machine and I use Agent as a news reader) I still
resort to a separate FTP utility for normal up and downloading and I
do the majority of my HTML editing in a text editor rather than Front
Page, or one of the others. I once used Netscape's composer on my home
page and it took me over three days to get it straightened out. I've
never been willing to try it again. Maybe some day on a small page.

Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member)
(N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?)
www.rogerhalstead.com
Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers

Any other problems I should know about? Thanks, Mike K.

Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me.

"Mike Knudsen" wrote in message
...
In article , "Kenneth D.
Grimm,
K4XL" writes:

Web browsers are designed primarily to read html
code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few,
such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer
seems to have a few problems!

Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard drive
space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it
immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc. There
should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it.


Right-click, Save As...?

Ed

"Ed Price" wrote in message
news:Y6VFb.12988$7D3.1169@fed1read02...

"Mike Knudsen" wrote in message
...
In article , "Kenneth D.
Grimm,
K4XL" writes:

Web browsers are designed primarily to read html
code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few,
such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer
seems to have a few problems!

Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard
drive
space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it
immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc.
There
should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it.


Right-click, Save As...?


That's the way I usually do it, although you can just double-click on the
file and wait for the dialogue box to open.

jak

Ed