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BAMA Ftp Site Unavailable?
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I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ Thanks.. Jim WB5KYE |
Jim Flanagan wrote:
Hello... I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ Thanks.. Jim WB5KYE I just tried and it says 'busy' as is often the case. I finally got thru and downloaded something a day or two ago. Keep trying. -Bill |
In article , exray@coquidotnet says...
Jim Flanagan wrote: Hello... I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ Thanks.. Jim WB5KYE I just tried and it says 'busy' as is often the case. I finally got thru and downloaded something a day or two ago. Keep trying. -Bill Thanks, Bill... I will just keep trying.. Take care. Jim |
Jim Flanagan wrote:
Hello... I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ Thanks.. Jim WB5KYE The FTP server is limited to ten users at a time. About the only time I can get something is around 4:00AM to 5:00AM. What are you looking for? someone may have already downloaded it and can post it to news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio or email it to you. -- 7 days! Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
"Jim Flanagan" wrote I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ *** Try http://bama.sbc.edu/ Brian Goldsmith. |
I tried to get in a week or so ago and couldn't get in. I just passed it off
as one of those days until I saw the posts in this group this evening and have tried several times tonight and still can't get in. RM~ "Brian Goldsmith" wrote in message ... "Jim Flanagan" wrote I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ *** Try http://bama.sbc.edu/ Brian Goldsmith. |
I d.l.'d something Friday. It took me all afternoon to get in the quay. I
think it's a simple matter of the server not allowing all that many connections vs. the many people who desire access. I can't complain about the price, however.... jak "Rob Mills" wrote in message news:wJwEb.8090$PK3.2863@okepread01... I tried to get in a week or so ago and couldn't get in. I just passed it off as one of those days until I saw the posts in this group this evening and have tried several times tonight and still can't get in. RM~ "Brian Goldsmith" wrote in message ... "Jim Flanagan" wrote I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ *** Try http://bama.sbc.edu/ Brian Goldsmith. |
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 01:01:34 GMT, "Michael A. Terrell"
wrote: Jim Flanagan wrote: Hello... I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ Thanks.. Jim WB5KYE The FTP server is limited to ten users at a time. About the only time I can get something is around 4:00AM to 5:00AM. What are you looking for? someone may have already downloaded it and can post it to news:alt.binaries.pictures.radio or email it to you. Mike is correct. The ftp server, from which most BAMA material is downloaded, has a 10 simultaneous user limit applied. I wish that the limit could be raised, but since BAMA is a "freeloading" hobby site, the primary users of the sbc servers have to be protected from clogged data pipes! 8*) Currently those pipes are multiple T-1 lines. Hopefully, they will be replaced in the near future with a T-3 line. If/when that happens, the limit could almost certainly be raised. Most new material is not being placed on the ftp server, but rather directly on the web server where BAMA is located. This alleviates the problem of the web to ftp interface that Internet Explorer is too stupid to do correctly. This pleases those who want to download using their browser, since the downloads begin immediately. It displeases the folks who have become addicted to the great art of FTPing. For those manuals that are still housed on the ftp site, and that includes most of the BAMA collection, the absolute best way of getting them is to use an ftp client program such as SmartFTP. This program can be set up so that it will keep trying to connect every minute or so until connection is made. You can then select the manuals that you need and they will download without any further intervention by the user. FTP is relatively ancient technology, but it is one of the slickest things going for transferring files, since that is what it was designed to do!!! Web browsers are designed primarily to read html code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few, such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer seems to have a few problems! I am also looking at the possibility of mirror sites for BAMA. However, with its messy split personality, it would be rather difficult to implement. If I can find sites that would be willing to host such a large collection as BAMA, I would probably migrate all the material from the ftp site to the web site, thereby simplifying matters. That task alone would take quite a while to accomplish, since every link would have to be recoded. I'm sorry to have gone on at such length here, but just wanted BAMA users...and particularly those who are becoming frustrated...to know what is going on behind the scenes. When I started BAMA, I never dreamed that the level of use for the site would be as great as it is today. I'm trying to make BAMA as accessible as possible, but there are limitations that, at the moment, are beyond my control. Ken K4XL - Replace "invalid" with "net" to reply. *** BoatAnchor Manual Archive *** On the web at http://bama.sbc.edu or FTP site info: bama.sbc.edu login: anonymous p/w: youremailadr |
"Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL" wrote:
I am also looking at the possibility of mirror sites for BAMA. However, with its messy split personality, it would be rather difficult to implement. If I can find sites that would be willing to host such a large collection as BAMA, I would probably migrate all the material from the ftp site to the web site, thereby simplifying matters. That task alone would take quite a while to accomplish, since every link would have to be recoded. Ken K4XL Kenneth, how much server space are you using? There are still free host with banner ads that give 100 Mb of space. You could mirror the most popular downloads with a note the certain lines are store there as well. If they don't want to deal with a banner ad they can wait for an open port. I have a free site on http://150m.com : http://terrell.150m.com/ that seems to work ok. One trick is to make all the links relative to the website so you can just upload the files to the server, and you are in business with no re-coding. the http://terrell.150m.com/ site is mirrored on my Earthlink account at: http://home.earthlink.net/~mike.terrell/ . The only difference in the two sites is a javascript to identify the site, and it holds the protected e-mail address to reduce spam. Take a look at the layout and see what you think. If you e-mail me, I can offer some suggestions that could make the site quicker to navigate, and reduce the server load. -- 3 days! Michael A. Terrell Central Florida |
In article , "Kenneth D. Grimm,
K4XL" writes: Web browsers are designed primarily to read html code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few, such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer seems to have a few problems! Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard drive space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc. There should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it. Also, Explorer lacks an "Upload" button -- I went to upload a file to RTSI.com and couldn't -- there was no way to "manually" start an upload, since the screen page didn't have a button. Any other problems I should know about? Thanks, Mike K. Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me. |
On Fri, 19 Dec 2003 05:11:23 GMT, "Brian Goldsmith"
wrote: "Jim Flanagan" wrote I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? I just accessed it. It was a bit slow and operated in bits and jumps. I tried again and received the error , "Maximum number of users connected, try again later", or at least something to that effect. Apparently the site is receiving some very heavy use. I tried both Mozilla and Internet Explorer and both worked although it took a few tries. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?) www.rogerhalstead.com Return address modified due to dumb virus checkers ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ *** Try http://bama.sbc.edu/ Brian Goldsmith. |
"Mike Knudsen" wrote in message ... In article , "Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL" writes: Web browsers are designed primarily to read html code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few, such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer seems to have a few problems! Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard drive space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc. There should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it. Right-click, Save As...? Ed |
Mike Knudsen wrote:
Also, Explorer lacks an "Upload" button -- I went to upload a file to RTSI.com and couldn't -- there was no way to "manually" start an upload, since the screen page didn't have a button. Use the Force, Luke.... Or more particularly, use Bill's Desktop Metaphor. Simply drag and drop anything you want to upload (files, folders) into the directory you are looking at with the IE browser in FTP mode. This isn't prominently explained anywhere in the HELP files because everybody just *knows* it. (Yeah, right!) Jim, K7JEB Glendale, AZ |
"Ed Price" wrote in message news:Y6VFb.12988$7D3.1169@fed1read02... "Mike Knudsen" wrote in message ... In article , "Kenneth D. Grimm, K4XL" writes: Web browsers are designed primarily to read html code and have ftp capability tacked on as an afterthought. A few, such as Mozilla, Netscape and Opera, got it right. Internet Explorer seems to have a few problems! Well, Explorer does tend to download a file not to your normal hard drive space, but to its own Temporary file space, and then try to display it immediately on your screen if it's graphics, play it if sound, etc. There should be a button to just download it to disk and leave it. Right-click, Save As...? That's the way I usually do it, although you can just double-click on the file and wait for the dialogue box to open. jak Ed |
In article TkXFb.21712$J77.20557@fed1read07, "K7JEB"
writes: Or more particularly, use Bill's Desktop Metaphor. Simply drag and drop anything you want to upload (files, folders) into the directory you are looking at with the IE browser in FTP mode. This isn't prominently explained anywhere in the HELP files because everybody just *knows* it. (Yeah, right!) Wow! I never would have thought that the drag-n-drop would work over the Net like that. In my case, too much knowedge was a bad thing -- I knew how much was involved, and just never thought that this might work. I've used drag-n-drop for some pretty weird things. Didi you know that when a digital camera is hooked up via USB, and appears as a "removable device" on your desktop, that you can drag and drop any kind of file into your camera's memory card? Nice emergency backup trick. --Mike K. Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me. |
In article Y6VFb.12988$7D3.1169@fed1read02, "Ed Price"
writes: Right-click, Save As...? Sometimes that works -- if you're clicking on a link phrase, it will. If someone has left you a complete URL path to the file, and you Go to that, it will do a "left button" load to its temp file, no way to override. --Mike K. Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me. |
On 24 Dec 2003 04:24:04 GMT, r (Mike Knudsen)
wrote: In article Y6VFb.12988$7D3.1169@fed1read02, "Ed Price" writes: Right-click, Save As...? Sometimes that works -- if you're clicking on a link phrase, it will. If someone has left you a complete URL path to the file, and you Go to that, it will do a "left button" load to its temp file, no way to override. So... Let it save it to it's temp file, then select save, save page, or save page as. One should work. It will not go through another download. It's will just copy the temp file to where you want it and you can name it , or use the original. Or in the case of a true ftp as has been mentioned, just drag and drop. Explorer treats most files as if they were on the computer. So, you treat them the same way. In XP it's difficult to tell , unless looking at the address whether the address is on the net, or a local folder and just as easy to move. But as has also been mentioned, they never bother to tell the user that. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair?) www.rogerhalstead.com --Mike K. Oscar loves trash, but hates Spam! Delete him to reply to me. |
I've used drag-n-drop for some pretty weird things. Didi you know that when a
digital camera is hooked up via USB, and appears as a "removable device" on your desktop, that you can drag and drop any kind of file into your camera's memory card? Nice emergency backup trick. --Mike K. Now *that* is totally bizarre! But a very logical extension of the desktop metaphor. Jim, K7JEB |
The problem that BAMA has with Internet Explorer is that it doesn't
return accurate and informative error messages. Where Mozilla and Opera will tell you that the maximum number of connections have been made to the ftp site and to try again later, IE just says "The page cannot be displayed" and then gives you some very misleading information, "The page you are looking for is currently unavailable. The Web site might be experiencing technical difficulties, or you may need to adjust your browser settings." There are no difficulties with the web site and there's nothing wrong with your browser settings. It's just that there are 10 users connected to BAMA, that's all that's allowed, and you are number 11! While the methods described here all work, including "drag and drop," there are occasionally other problems that seem to plague IE users that Opera and Mozilla (Netscape) users don't complain about. While BAMA started out on my office PC, it is now on a much larger and much faster box. Four Pentium-4 Xeon Processors at 2.4 GHz under one Gigabyte of RAM and 100+ Gigs of hardware RAID - vs. the older 400 MHz Pentium II with 128 megs. So that we don't lose anything again, (once is enough!) BAMA is backed up nightly on a 4-terabyte capacity robotic tapeloader on site as well as the backups that I keep locally. Currently, BAMA takes up almost 7GB of storage space containing 25,946 files in 2,515 folders...and still growing! So, suitable mirror sites are probably few and far between. Ken K4XL - Replace "invalid" with "net" to reply. *** BoatAnchor Manual Archive *** On the web at http://bama.sbc.edu or FTP site info: bama.sbc.edu login: anonymous p/w: youremailadr |
It's not you keep trying.
Jim Flanagan wrote: Hello... I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ Thanks.. Jim WB5KYE |
Ray Collins wrote:
It's not you keep trying. Jim Flanagan wrote: Hello... I wondering if I am the only one having trouble accessing the BAMA ftp site for schematics. I haven't been successful for some time. Is it me or the site? ftp://bama.sbc.edu/downloads/ Thanks.. Jim WB5KYE The site only has a capacity of ten users and it is usually busy. I tried yesterday and today and got the message. Try it at about 2 in the morning and it might work. They just need a better server or ISP. I have gotten some good schematics for my Hammarlund, Hallicrafters, RME, etc. from them. Bill Baka |
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:39:14 -0800, Bill wrote:
They just need a better server or ISP. Ken runs BAMA out of his own pocket and that puts constraints on the capacity of the site. He does quite well with what facilities he has available, and I'll bet that when he started the site he had no idea how many users he would attract or what a large quantity and variety of manuals he would be hosting. Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WZZU Lynchburg VA, WMNA/WMNA-FM Gretna VA http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml |
On Sat, 03 Jan 2004 09:30:01 -0500, Dale H. Cook
wrote: On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 12:39:14 -0800, Bill wrote: They just need a better server or ISP. Ken runs BAMA out of his own pocket and that puts constraints on the capacity of the site. He does quite well with what facilities he has available, and I'll bet that when he started the site he had no idea how many users he would attract or what a large quantity and variety of manuals he would be hosting. I think he has a description of the setup on there some where. It's not a simple PC hooked to the internet, but as I recall, quite elaborate. Having my own domain and web site, which is nothing on the scale of Ken's, I can vouch, it is not an inexpensive hobby. Oh! It's busy at 2:00 AM, 3:00 AM, ... Only time I haven't tried is the 5 to 8 AM slot. Roger Halstead (K8RI & ARRL life member) (N833R, S# CD-2 Worlds oldest Debonair) www.rogerhalstead.com Dale H. Cook, Chief Engineer, WWWR Roanoke VA, WCQV Moneta VA, WKBA WZZI Vinton VA, WKPA WLNI WZZU Lynchburg VA, WMNA/WMNA-FM Gretna VA http://members.cox.net/dalehcook/starcity.shtml |
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