On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:22:55 UTC, wrote:

However, if you had bid, say $800 max for that mint SX-115 and nobody
else bid it past $500, the shill bidder (your "gottahaveit1998" friend)
will drive up the price for you. A radio you could have gotten for
$500 now might cost you $700 because of the shill bidder.

Anyone who deals like this is dishonest and should be *permanantly*
banned from eBay. Again, I do *not* know that gottahaveit1998 was
shilling for radiomart.

73 John W3JN


I've written about my strategy and it covers more cases than that.

Part of it is knowing the product, the market, my desires, and
knowing what I will pay from the beginning. As I own an SX-101A and
a 75S-1, I'm not especially interested in an SX-115, mint or
otherwise. Why is an SX-115 $5,000 (or more) and a 75S-1 is
$250-300?

Using your example, I would "know" that the right price is $500

($500 is not the right price for an SX-115 but lets go with your
numbers and your example.)


If I really, really wanted that one, I would bid $687.

Scenario 1 - The shill comes along, jacks up the price 630, 650,
670, 690, figuring that like most people, I've got a proxy at 700,
and even number or 701, just over an even number. But no. I'm
sitting on 687 and -bing- he's got it.

Scenario 1a - The shill is waiting for me to have second thoughs,
"I'm not letting this one get away. I want it." hours pass, days,
the auction closes, too bad shill. I set my price. You can pay
eBay's commission.

Scenario 2 - We try again. This time the shill thinks he knows my
limit. Well, if I see a similar radio coming around a 2nd time, I
figure that there is a 3rd and a 4th. I got time. I got money. I
can wait. This time, I don't bid $687, this time I proxy bid $538.
Same thing happens, he edges up on me and -bing- he's got it again
and is paying a 2nd commision to eBay.

Scenario 3 - The shill opens. He sits on a $1.00 opening. I'm
still interested in the radio. I bid a fair price but lower
than before because I now believe that there are dozens of these
radios. I don't know I've been bidding on the same one but each
time it shows up, I drop my estimate of the price. Now I open with
$467. The bid goes up to $2.00

What does the shill do? How far can he ease the price up before
he's paying a 3rd commission to eBay?

I don't expect to "steal" a radio. I expect to pay a fair price.
If I get it for a little less, that's great. If I really want the
radio, I'll pay a little more than "market". How much more? That's
the question. Each time the shill guesses wrong, he pays a
commission to eBay.

He can't run the price up too high on me. Although I'm bidding $467
when everyone else is bidding $3, $9, $15.25. When they're caught up
in a bidding war and going $550, $580, I've dropped out at $467.


Finally, I like the nym "gottahaveit". It scares me off. I suppose
he chose it thinking that it would stimulate competition but I
respond differently. If you gotta-have-it, well, you can have it.

There're no guarentees.


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"No Spam " No wrote


I've written about my strategy and it covers more cases than that.

Part of it is knowing the product, the market, my desires, and
knowing what I will pay from the beginning. As I own an SX-101A and
a 75S-1, I'm not especially interested in an SX-115, mint or
otherwise. Why is an SX-115 $5,000 (or more) and a 75S-1 is
$250-300?

Using your example, I would "know" that the right price is $500

($500 is not the right price for an SX-115 but lets go with your
numbers and your example.)


If I really, really wanted that one, I would bid $687.

Scenario 1 -

******Snip*****

All very well and good except for one thing--what is the rest of the bidding
world doing while all your listed shenninagians are going on????

Brian Goldsmith.

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:38:31 UTC, "Brian Goldsmith"
wrote:

All very well and good except for one thing--what is the rest of the bidding
world doing while all your listed shenninagians are going on????

Brian Goldsmith.

Doesn't matter as they fall into three categories.

1. Bottom feeders who aren't will to pay a fair price. They fall
out of the bidding early.

2. Feedback(0) who are willing to pay too much. They win the item
of course but I'll get the one next week or the week after.

3. Serious buyers who are watching their pennies as closely as I am.

Seems odd to call "shenninagians" what's actually simply deciding
what an item is worth to me and offering up a fair bid.

That term, however it's spelled, is better applied to "shilling" or
"sniping".

I have bought primo Collins gear from r.r.a.b members using my
method. Decide what I'm willing to pay, offering up my bid.

All I ask is that their photo's and descriptions are honest and they
pack the item well.

Shilling is STEALING. It's taking money right out of your pocket for
the sole benefit of the seller. It's also illegal in most states and
auctioneers can lose their licenses over this.

You may be happy paying more for something than you have to but I
prefer not to deal with someone who is demonstrably dishonest. Who
knows how *else* they might screw you?

73 John W3JN

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:08:22 UTC, wrote:

Shilling is STEALING. It's taking money right out of your pocket for
the sole benefit of the seller. It's also illegal in most states and
auctioneers can lose their licenses over this.

You may be happy paying more for something than you have to but I
prefer not to deal with someone who is demonstrably dishonest. Who
knows how *else* they might screw you?

73 John W3JN


What are you referring to?????

I'm a shill's nightmare. Many auctions that I've been in have
run-away, way above my max. Strangely, the prices of similar items
eventually settle down to more reasonable levels.

I can wait.

I'm here suggesting to folk that they set their max and stick to it.
One of the shill's tricks is to run up the price and hope that you
say, "ah, I can still get it."

Well no. If it's a dollar above my limit, it's above my limit. In
the near future, I'll probably have a chance to get one for even
less.

Shill, you can have it. I'll wait and get a better one for even
less.

Quite a while ago he got an item from me via eBay. Several weeks later it
appeared, with MY pictures, on eBay and he said it had belonged to his father
and he spoke about it in glowing terms and with what was obviously to me
incorrect information.

I e-mailed him and asked him what was going on. He responded with some
nonsense about he was just making the auction more interesting.

He's well known on many of the radio mailing lists and will use one account
to buy and another to sell. Reportedly he'd had his account(s?) closed by
eBay but seems to keep popping back up. Others have reported that they have
seen items that he's purchased from others auctioned by him with pictures
that are fuzzy or not to show defects and blemishes.

Deal with him at your own risk!



No Spam wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:22:55 UTC, wrote:

However, if you had bid, say $800 max for that mint SX-115 and nobody
else bid it past $500, the shill bidder (your "gottahaveit1998" friend)
will drive up the price for you. A radio you could have gotten for
$500 now might cost you $700 because of the shill bidder.

Anyone who deals like this is dishonest and should be *permanantly*
banned from eBay. Again, I do *not* know that gottahaveit1998 was
shilling for radiomart.

73 John W3JN

I've written about my strategy and it covers more cases than that.

Part of it is knowing the product, the market, my desires, and
knowing what I will pay from the beginning. As I own an SX-101A and
a 75S-1, I'm not especially interested in an SX-115, mint or
otherwise. Why is an SX-115 $5,000 (or more) and a 75S-1 is
$250-300?

Using your example, I would "know" that the right price is $500

($500 is not the right price for an SX-115 but lets go with your
numbers and your example.)

If I really, really wanted that one, I would bid $687.

Scenario 1 - The shill comes along, jacks up the price 630, 650,
670, 690, figuring that like most people, I've got a proxy at 700,
and even number or 701, just over an even number. But no. I'm
sitting on 687 and -bing- he's got it.

Scenario 1a - The shill is waiting for me to have second thoughs,
"I'm not letting this one get away. I want it." hours pass, days,
the auction closes, too bad shill. I set my price. You can pay
eBay's commission.

Scenario 2 - We try again. This time the shill thinks he knows my
limit. Well, if I see a similar radio coming around a 2nd time, I
figure that there is a 3rd and a 4th. I got time. I got money. I
can wait. This time, I don't bid $687, this time I proxy bid $538.
Same thing happens, he edges up on me and -bing- he's got it again
and is paying a 2nd commision to eBay.

Scenario 3 - The shill opens. He sits on a $1.00 opening. I'm
still interested in the radio. I bid a fair price but lower
than before because I now believe that there are dozens of these
radios. I don't know I've been bidding on the same one but each
time it shows up, I drop my estimate of the price. Now I open with
$467. The bid goes up to $2.00

What does the shill do? How far can he ease the price up before
he's paying a 3rd commission to eBay?

I don't expect to "steal" a radio. I expect to pay a fair price.
If I get it for a little less, that's great. If I really want the
radio, I'll pay a little more than "market". How much more? That's
the question. Each time the shill guesses wrong, he pays a
commission to eBay.

He can't run the price up too high on me. Although I'm bidding $467
when everyone else is bidding $3, $9, $15.25. When they're caught up
in a bidding war and going $550, $580, I've dropped out at $467.

Finally, I like the nym "gottahaveit". It scares me off. I suppose
he chose it thinking that it would stimulate competition but I
respond differently. If you gotta-have-it, well, you can have it.

There're no guarentees.

--

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Address is NOT monitored due to SPAM volume from newsgroups. DO NOT REPLY to
post directly.

By the way, he is not a licensed ham. Ask him what his call is and he
will give you some baloney story about looking for him on 15 meters.
Would not give his call. A name search search on QRZ shows nothing. His
first name has an unusual spelling so it would be easy to find if he
were licensed.

I sent him an e-mail on the SX-100 and asked him what was up with his
description and he e-mailed me back to check the listing in a few
minutes. I did - he ended it with "Their was an error in the listing"