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Jay January 23rd 05 04:08 PM

Hallicrafters sx-9
 
I am interested in the Hallicrafters SX-9 On e-bay , but am concerned
about the terrible feed back on seller.
Any advise on purchasing from radio-mart ?
Thanks
Jay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=5744936655

Carl WA1KPD January 23rd 05 04:37 PM

I have never dealt with them but share you concern. I have restored an SX-9
and offer the following observations about their claims

" Okay the story behind this receiver, I purchased it for resale, Fedex
delivered it but the sender didn't put any packing inside so the tubes got
smashed. "

Little hard to believe since one of the claims to fame of the SX-9 was that
it was the first to use all metal tubes.


I was surprised how good the receiver is and looking at the components, all
except a couple of capacitors, everything else looks totally original. "
Nothing original about that PS transformer, nor the spoke knob on the front.
In addition There also seems to be quite a rats nest around the speaker.

It needs minimal work to return the receiver to its original glory, the
cabinet is virtually unmarked and the face panel is very good, all original.
There is a phone jack added to the upper right hand corner. Just to the left
of the logo.


--
Carl
WA1KPD
Visit My Boatanchor Collection at
http://home.comcast.net/~chnord/wa1kpd.html

"Jay" wrote in message
...
I am interested in the Hallicrafters SX-9 On e-bay , but am concerned
about the terrible feed back on seller.
Any advise on purchasing from radio-mart ?
Thanks
Jay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=5744936655




Antonio Vernucci January 23rd 05 06:52 PM

Why do you consider 97.2% a "terrible" feedback?

73

Antonio I0JX


"Carl WA1KPD" ha scritto nel messaggio =
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front.=20
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speaker.
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It needs minimal work to return the receiver to its original glory, =

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cabinet is virtually unmarked and the face panel is very good, all =

original.
There is a phone jack added to the upper right hand corner. Just to =

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Carl
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Visit My Boatanchor Collection at=20
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"Jay" wrote in message=20
...
I am interested in the Hallicrafters SX-9 On e-bay , but am =

concerned
about the terrible feed back on seller.
Any advise on purchasing from radio-mart ?
Thanks
Jay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...D5744936655=20

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Darrell January 23rd 05 07:10 PM


I am interested in the Hallicrafters SX-9 On e-bay , but am concerned
about the terrible feed back on seller.
Any advise on purchasing from radio-mart ?
Thanks
Jay



He has a reputation for grossly exagerating the condition of some of his
items. Some say the photos he posts are not always the equipment he has for
sale. Be careful.

73,
Darrell

COLIN LAMB January 23rd 05 07:37 PM

"Why do you consider 97.2% a "terrible" feedback"

Because the odds of the buyer becoming one of the unhappy 3% is 10 times
higher than if his rating was 99.7% and 100 times higher than if his rating
was 99.97%.

I have only been cheated once on eBay, and it was by someone that had a
lower feedback rating.

If you are giving money to someone, do you want them to be honest 97% or
100% of the time? Sure there is the occasional time when a buyer will not
be happy, but I consider 3% significant.

K7FM


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Jay January 23rd 05 09:04 PM

Thanks, Carl, for your reply. Based on your analysis, I am going to
pass I think you saved me a big disappointment.

I checked your pages on the net. What a fantastic collection of
radios.
Thanks again,

73 Jay

On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 11:37:39 -0500, "Carl WA1KPD"
wrote:

I have never dealt with them but share you concern. I have restored an SX-9
and offer the following observations about their claims

" Okay the story behind this receiver, I purchased it for resale, Fedex
delivered it but the sender didn't put any packing inside so the tubes got
smashed. "

Little hard to believe since one of the claims to fame of the SX-9 was that
it was the first to use all metal tubes.


I was surprised how good the receiver is and looking at the components, all
except a couple of capacitors, everything else looks totally original. "
Nothing original about that PS transformer, nor the spoke knob on the front.
In addition There also seems to be quite a rats nest around the speaker.

It needs minimal work to return the receiver to its original glory, the
cabinet is virtually unmarked and the face panel is very good, all original.
There is a phone jack added to the upper right hand corner. Just to the left
of the logo.



Antonio Vernucci January 23rd 05 10:11 PM

You are right, but one cannot assume that all buyers are 100% reliable. =
Moreover sometimes negative feedbacks are just due to misunderstandings =
or incidents.

So, it would be more advisable to read the red feedback reports rather =
than just taking the percentage figure.

73

Antonio I0JX

"COLIN LAMB" ha scritto nel messaggio =
nk.net...
"Why do you consider 97.2% a "terrible" feedback"
=20
Because the odds of the buyer becoming one of the unhappy 3% is 10 =

times
higher than if his rating was 99.7% and 100 times higher than if his =

rating
was 99.97%.
=20
I have only been cheated once on eBay, and it was by someone that had =

a
lower feedback rating.
=20
If you are giving money to someone, do you want them to be honest 97% =

or
100% of the time? Sure there is the occasional time when a buyer will =

not
be happy, but I consider 3% significant.
=20
K7FM
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john gindlesberger January 24th 05 12:19 AM

This guy is not honest. He lied about the condition of a receiver I bought
and when I challenged him, he left negative feedback for me. I'd avoid
dealing with him--he's a loser.


"Jay" wrote in message
...
I am interested in the Hallicrafters SX-9 On e-bay , but am concerned
about the terrible feed back on seller.
Any advise on purchasing from radio-mart ?
Thanks
Jay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=5744936655




No Spam January 24th 05 11:44 AM

On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 00:19:17 UTC, "john gindlesberger"
wrote:

This guy is not honest. He lied about the condition of a receiver I bought
and when I challenged him, he left negative feedback for me. I'd avoid
dealing with him--he's a loser.


"Jay" wrote in message
...
I am interested in the Hallicrafters SX-9 On e-bay , but am concerned
about the terrible feed back on seller.
Any advise on purchasing from radio-mart ?
Thanks
Jay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=5744936655


Just about every radio from "him", is his personal unit, retubed
and tuned to factory spec's, or the best one he's ever seen.

Pretty much the same set of superlatives each time.

de ah6gi/4



VT1 January 24th 05 01:41 PM

First off there radiofart does not indicate the "extra" phone jack near the
Hali logo.
There are probably other mods as well.

However, he does 'fess up to the fact that he received this radio in damaged
condition and retubed it.
Translation : this radio is mechanically screwed up.

I see a bent front panel, transformer askew (probably not original) one of
the IF cans has a good dent on the top.

Nice vernier too (?!?)




"Jay" wrote in message
...
I am interested in the Hallicrafters SX-9 On e-bay , but am concerned
about the terrible feed back on seller.
Any advise on purchasing from radio-mart ?
Thanks
Jay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=5744936655




COLIN LAMB January 24th 05 01:51 PM

"Just about every radio from "him", is his personal unit, retubed
and tuned to factory spec's, or the best one he's ever seen.

Pretty much the same set of superlatives each time."


Sound like he is the right guy for the wrong job. He should be selling used
cars. I have met a number just like him there. Fortunately, I learned my
lesson after one car.

Clin K7FM



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GBrown January 24th 05 02:48 PM

I bought what was auctioned as 100 plus tubes from this guy. I only received
41 tubes and 11 of them were broken. I emailed the guy and he told me to
"QUITE WHINING". All I wanted was a refund.
You be the judge.
Gary
"Jay" wrote in message
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I am interested in the Hallicrafters SX-9 On e-bay , but am concerned
about the terrible feed back on seller.
Any advise on purchasing from radio-mart ?
Thanks
Jay
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[email protected] January 25th 05 01:26 AM

If you go back far enough in this guy's feedback, you'll see that
someone accused him of bidding on his own auctions under the name
"gottahaveit1998" or something like that. Both accounts were then
suspended; I think the gottahaveit account is still gone. He came back
some time this fall - I had to chuckle when I saw his first auction and
it said "well, I'm back after an extended summer vacation". Yup, sure.

I do *not* know if he was bidding on his own auctions for sure. But he
and the gottahaveit guy sure traded a lot of feedback, and they both
lived in Ky, and they both had the first name martin...

73 John


No Spam January 25th 05 02:00 AM

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 01:26:15 UTC, wrote:

If you go back far enough in this guy's feedback, you'll see that
someone accused him of bidding on his own auctions under the name
"gottahaveit1998" or something like that. Both accounts were then
suspended; I think the gottahaveit account is still gone. He came back
some time this fall - I had to chuckle when I saw his first auction and
it said "well, I'm back after an extended summer vacation". Yup, sure.

I do *not* know if he was bidding on his own auctions for sure. But he
and the gottahaveit guy sure traded a lot of feedback, and they both
lived in Ky, and they both had the first name martin...

73 John


don't know if it's the same guy but I've bid against a
gottahaveit....,

Given my pattern of setting my own max price, I lost to him each
time. It's entertaining to consider that he had to pay eBay their
commission when he "beat" me. He does save on shipping, I suppose.

If a radio looks good, I make my best estimate and bid my max. I'm
a sniper and shill's nightmare. I also pay as fast as I can and
leave accurate feedback, so I'm a fair seller's dream. No games.

(I'm enjoying that very nice 75S-1.)






[email protected] January 25th 05 02:22 AM

However, if you had bid, say $800 max for that mint SX-115 and nobody
else bid it past $500, the shill bidder (your "gottahaveit1998" friend)
will drive up the price for you. A radio you could have gotten for
$500 now might cost you $700 because of the shill bidder.

Anyone who deals like this is dishonest and should be *permanantly*
banned from eBay. Again, I do *not* know that gottahaveit1998 was
shilling for radiomart.

73 John W3JN


Bill M January 25th 05 02:25 AM

No Spam wrote:



If a radio looks good, I make my best estimate and bid my max.


I think most people also do that. Never heard anybody say they bid
their minimum.
:-)

-Bill

No Spam January 25th 05 11:24 AM

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:22:55 UTC, wrote:

However, if you had bid, say $800 max for that mint SX-115 and nobody
else bid it past $500, the shill bidder (your "gottahaveit1998" friend)
will drive up the price for you. A radio you could have gotten for
$500 now might cost you $700 because of the shill bidder.

Anyone who deals like this is dishonest and should be *permanantly*
banned from eBay. Again, I do *not* know that gottahaveit1998 was
shilling for radiomart.

73 John W3JN



I've written about my strategy and it covers more cases than that.

Part of it is knowing the product, the market, my desires, and
knowing what I will pay from the beginning. As I own an SX-101A and
a 75S-1, I'm not especially interested in an SX-115, mint or
otherwise. Why is an SX-115 $5,000 (or more) and a 75S-1 is
$250-300?

Using your example, I would "know" that the right price is $500

($500 is not the right price for an SX-115 but lets go with your
numbers and your example.)


If I really, really wanted that one, I would bid $687.

Scenario 1 - The shill comes along, jacks up the price 630, 650,
670, 690, figuring that like most people, I've got a proxy at 700,
and even number or 701, just over an even number. But no. I'm
sitting on 687 and -bing- he's got it.

Scenario 1a - The shill is waiting for me to have second thoughs,
"I'm not letting this one get away. I want it." hours pass, days,
the auction closes, too bad shill. I set my price. You can pay
eBay's commission.

Scenario 2 - We try again. This time the shill thinks he knows my
limit. Well, if I see a similar radio coming around a 2nd time, I
figure that there is a 3rd and a 4th. I got time. I got money. I
can wait. This time, I don't bid $687, this time I proxy bid $538.
Same thing happens, he edges up on me and -bing- he's got it again
and is paying a 2nd commision to eBay.

Scenario 3 - The shill opens. He sits on a $1.00 opening. I'm
still interested in the radio. I bid a fair price but lower
than before because I now believe that there are dozens of these
radios. I don't know I've been bidding on the same one but each
time it shows up, I drop my estimate of the price. Now I open with
$467. The bid goes up to $2.00

What does the shill do? How far can he ease the price up before
he's paying a 3rd commission to eBay?

I don't expect to "steal" a radio. I expect to pay a fair price.
If I get it for a little less, that's great. If I really want the
radio, I'll pay a little more than "market". How much more? That's
the question. Each time the shill guesses wrong, he pays a
commission to eBay.

He can't run the price up too high on me. Although I'm bidding $467
when everyone else is bidding $3, $9, $15.25. When they're caught up
in a bidding war and going $550, $580, I've dropped out at $467.


Finally, I like the nym "gottahaveit". It scares me off. I suppose
he chose it thinking that it would stimulate competition but I
respond differently. If you gotta-have-it, well, you can have it.

There're no guarentees.


--


VT1 January 25th 05 03:17 PM

WHO is Radio Mart?
WHERE does he live?
HOW will we recognize him at a hamfest?


Is he one of these guys like Thomas J. Bruckner who would go around to ham
fests buying tubes from hams for pennies on the dollar and then put them up
on his site http://www.elexs.com/ for 100's or a 1000 times more than
what he payed.

That little F****r always ****ed me off with his fox like approach to
picking apart some guy to buy his tubes. He would stuff his bag go back to
the car and hunt for more. He used to hit EVERY ham fest in the northeast
and midwest. It was funny as hell when he missed a deal. He would sputter
and sweat and try to talk the guy out of his purchase. He would have is wife
spotting the suckers and then he would go in for the kill.




"Jay" wrote in message
...
I am interested in the Hallicrafters SX-9 On e-bay , but am concerned
about the terrible feed back on seller.
Any advise on purchasing from radio-mart ?
Thanks
Jay
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...tem=5744936655




No Spam January 25th 05 11:55 PM

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:22:55 UTC, wrote:

However, if you had bid, say $800 max for that mint SX-115 and nobody
else bid it past $500, the shill bidder (your "gottahaveit1998" friend)
will drive up the price for you. A radio you could have gotten for
$500 now might cost you $700 because of the shill bidder.

Anyone who deals like this is dishonest and should be *permanantly*
banned from eBay. Again, I do *not* know that gottahaveit1998 was
shilling for radiomart.

73 John W3JN



I've written about my strategy and it covers more cases than that.

Part of it is knowing the product, the market, my desires, and
knowing what I will pay from the beginning. As I own an SX-101A and
a 75S-1, I'm not especially interested in an SX-115, mint or
otherwise. Why is an SX-115 $5,000 (or more) and a 75S-1 is
$250-300?

Using your example, I would "know" that the right price is $500

($500 is not the right price for an SX-115 but lets go with your
numbers and your example.)


If I really, really wanted that one, I would bid $687.

Scenario 1 - The shill comes along, jacks up the price 630, 650,
670, 690, figuring that like most people, I've got a proxy at 700,
and even number or 701, just over an even number. But no. I'm
sitting on 687 and -bing- he's got it.

Scenario 1a - The shill is waiting for me to have second thoughs,
"I'm not letting this one get away. I want it." hours pass, days,
the auction closes, too bad shill. I set my price. You can pay
eBay's commission.

Scenario 2 - We try again. This time the shill thinks he knows my
limit. Well, if I see a similar radio coming around a 2nd time, I
figure that there is a 3rd and a 4th. I got time. I got money. I
can wait. This time, I don't bid $687, this time I proxy bid $538.
Same thing happens, he edges up on me and -bing- he's got it again
and is paying a 2nd commision to eBay.

Scenario 3 - The shill opens. He sits on a $1.00 opening. I'm
still interested in the radio. I bid a fair price but lower
than before because I now believe that there are dozens of these
radios. I don't know I've been bidding on the same one but each
time it shows up, I drop my estimate of the price. Now I open with
$467. The bid goes up to $2.00

What does the shill do? How far can he ease the price up before
he's paying a 3rd commission to eBay?

I don't expect to "steal" a radio. I expect to pay a fair price.
If I get it for a little less, that's great. If I really want the
radio, I'll pay a little more than "market". How much more? That's
the question. Each time the shill guesses wrong, he pays a
commission to eBay.

He can't run the price up too high on me. Although I'm bidding $467
when everyone else is bidding $3, $9, $15.25. When they're caught up
in a bidding war and going $550, $580, I've dropped out at $467.


Finally, I like the nym "gottahaveit". It scares me off. I suppose
he chose it thinking that it would stimulate competition but I
respond differently. If you gotta-have-it, well, you can have it.

There're no guarentees.


--


Brian Goldsmith January 26th 05 12:38 PM


"No Spam " No wrote


I've written about my strategy and it covers more cases than that.

Part of it is knowing the product, the market, my desires, and
knowing what I will pay from the beginning. As I own an SX-101A and
a 75S-1, I'm not especially interested in an SX-115, mint or
otherwise. Why is an SX-115 $5,000 (or more) and a 75S-1 is
$250-300?

Using your example, I would "know" that the right price is $500

($500 is not the right price for an SX-115 but lets go with your
numbers and your example.)


If I really, really wanted that one, I would bid $687.

Scenario 1 -

******Snip*****

All very well and good except for one thing--what is the rest of the bidding
world doing while all your listed shenninagians are going on????

Brian Goldsmith.



Brian Goldsmith January 26th 05 12:44 PM


"VT1" wrote


WHO is Radio Mart?
WHERE does he live?
HOW will we recognize him at a hamfest?


Is he one of these guys like Thomas J. Bruckner who would go around to ham
fests buying tubes from hams for pennies on the dollar and then put them up
on his site http://www.elexs.com/ for 100's or a 1000 times more than
what he payed.

That little F****r always ****ed me off with his fox like approach to
picking apart some guy to buy his tubes. He would stuff his bag go back to
the car and hunt for more. He used to hit EVERY ham fest in the northeast
and midwest. It was funny as hell when he missed a deal. He would sputter
and sweat and try to talk the guy out of his purchase. He would have is wife
spotting the suckers and then he would go in for the kill.




***** He ****ed you off because HE got off his arse ,stuffed his bag with
tubes (legitimately, under a capitalist system that we all hold so
dear),and sold
them on his website,made a profit and you didn't!!

Dear oh dear!!!

What an indication of the human condition!

Brian Goldsmith



DO NOT REPLY to this ADDRESS January 26th 05 05:03 PM

Quite a while ago he got an item from me via eBay. Several weeks later it
appeared, with MY pictures, on eBay and he said it had belonged to his father
and he spoke about it in glowing terms and with what was obviously to me
incorrect information.

I e-mailed him and asked him what was going on. He responded with some
nonsense about he was just making the auction more interesting.

He's well known on many of the radio mailing lists and will use one account
to buy and another to sell. Reportedly he'd had his account(s?) closed by
eBay but seems to keep popping back up. Others have reported that they have
seen items that he's purchased from others auctioned by him with pictures
that are fuzzy or not to show defects and blemishes.

Deal with him at your own risk!



No Spam wrote:

On Tue, 25 Jan 2005 02:22:55 UTC, wrote:

However, if you had bid, say $800 max for that mint SX-115 and nobody
else bid it past $500, the shill bidder (your "gottahaveit1998" friend)
will drive up the price for you. A radio you could have gotten for
$500 now might cost you $700 because of the shill bidder.

Anyone who deals like this is dishonest and should be *permanantly*
banned from eBay. Again, I do *not* know that gottahaveit1998 was
shilling for radiomart.

73 John W3JN


I've written about my strategy and it covers more cases than that.

Part of it is knowing the product, the market, my desires, and
knowing what I will pay from the beginning. As I own an SX-101A and
a 75S-1, I'm not especially interested in an SX-115, mint or
otherwise. Why is an SX-115 $5,000 (or more) and a 75S-1 is
$250-300?

Using your example, I would "know" that the right price is $500

($500 is not the right price for an SX-115 but lets go with your
numbers and your example.)

If I really, really wanted that one, I would bid $687.

Scenario 1 - The shill comes along, jacks up the price 630, 650,
670, 690, figuring that like most people, I've got a proxy at 700,
and even number or 701, just over an even number. But no. I'm
sitting on 687 and -bing- he's got it.

Scenario 1a - The shill is waiting for me to have second thoughs,
"I'm not letting this one get away. I want it." hours pass, days,
the auction closes, too bad shill. I set my price. You can pay
eBay's commission.

Scenario 2 - We try again. This time the shill thinks he knows my
limit. Well, if I see a similar radio coming around a 2nd time, I
figure that there is a 3rd and a 4th. I got time. I got money. I
can wait. This time, I don't bid $687, this time I proxy bid $538.
Same thing happens, he edges up on me and -bing- he's got it again
and is paying a 2nd commision to eBay.

Scenario 3 - The shill opens. He sits on a $1.00 opening. I'm
still interested in the radio. I bid a fair price but lower
than before because I now believe that there are dozens of these
radios. I don't know I've been bidding on the same one but each
time it shows up, I drop my estimate of the price. Now I open with
$467. The bid goes up to $2.00

What does the shill do? How far can he ease the price up before
he's paying a 3rd commission to eBay?

I don't expect to "steal" a radio. I expect to pay a fair price.
If I get it for a little less, that's great. If I really want the
radio, I'll pay a little more than "market". How much more? That's
the question. Each time the shill guesses wrong, he pays a
commission to eBay.

He can't run the price up too high on me. Although I'm bidding $467
when everyone else is bidding $3, $9, $15.25. When they're caught up
in a bidding war and going $550, $580, I've dropped out at $467.

Finally, I like the nym "gottahaveit". It scares me off. I suppose
he chose it thinking that it would stimulate competition but I
respond differently. If you gotta-have-it, well, you can have it.

There're no guarentees.

--


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post directly.



Spammie January 26th 05 08:09 PM

By the way, he is not a licensed ham. Ask him what his call is and he
will give you some baloney story about looking for him on 15 meters.
Would not give his call. A name search search on QRZ shows nothing. His
first name has an unusual spelling so it would be easy to find if he
were licensed.

Spammie January 26th 05 08:51 PM

I sent him an e-mail on the SX-100 and asked him what was up with his
description and he e-mailed me back to check the listing in a few
minutes. I did - he ended it with "Their was an error in the listing"

No Spam January 26th 05 09:40 PM

On Wed, 26 Jan 2005 12:38:31 UTC, "Brian Goldsmith"
wrote:

All very well and good except for one thing--what is the rest of the bidding
world doing while all your listed shenninagians are going on????

Brian Goldsmith.


Doesn't matter as they fall into three categories.

1. Bottom feeders who aren't will to pay a fair price. They fall
out of the bidding early.

2. Feedback(0) who are willing to pay too much. They win the item
of course but I'll get the one next week or the week after.

3. Serious buyers who are watching their pennies as closely as I am.

Seems odd to call "shenninagians" what's actually simply deciding
what an item is worth to me and offering up a fair bid.

That term, however it's spelled, is better applied to "shilling" or
"sniping".

I have bought primo Collins gear from r.r.a.b members using my
method. Decide what I'm willing to pay, offering up my bid.

All I ask is that their photo's and descriptions are honest and they
pack the item well.






[email protected] January 27th 05 02:08 AM

Shilling is STEALING. It's taking money right out of your pocket for
the sole benefit of the seller. It's also illegal in most states and
auctioneers can lose their licenses over this.

You may be happy paying more for something than you have to but I
prefer not to deal with someone who is demonstrably dishonest. Who
knows how *else* they might screw you?

73 John W3JN


No Spam January 27th 05 11:12 AM

On Thu, 27 Jan 2005 02:08:22 UTC, wrote:

Shilling is STEALING. It's taking money right out of your pocket for
the sole benefit of the seller. It's also illegal in most states and
auctioneers can lose their licenses over this.

You may be happy paying more for something than you have to but I
prefer not to deal with someone who is demonstrably dishonest. Who
knows how *else* they might screw you?

73 John W3JN


What are you referring to?????

I'm a shill's nightmare. Many auctions that I've been in have
run-away, way above my max. Strangely, the prices of similar items
eventually settle down to more reasonable levels.

I can wait.

I'm here suggesting to folk that they set their max and stick to it.
One of the shill's tricks is to run up the price and hope that you
say, "ah, I can still get it."

Well no. If it's a dollar above my limit, it's above my limit. In
the near future, I'll probably have a chance to get one for even
less.

Shill, you can have it. I'll wait and get a better one for even
less.




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